WC 2014 Brasil; Starts June 12th 2014

clickerquicklic

Setantabet refund if Brazil win only 30 euro but nice

neil.p.b

No Asian teams to qualify from group at 7/4 looks an absolute steal. Only team i'd say has any chance is Japan and they're 6/5 to qualify so could easily hedge.

bradlente

neil.p.b wrote: »

No Asian teams to qualify from group at 7/4 looks an absolute steal. Only team i'd say has any chance is Japan and they're 6/5 to qualify so could easily hedge.

South Korea?

neil.p.b

bradlente wrote: »

South Korea?

Be v. surprised to see them finish ahead of Russia

Shanotheslayer

bradlente wrote: »

South Korea?

Against Russia and Belgium? G'luck to them.

clickerquicklic

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Shanotheslayer

clickerquicklic wrote: »

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clickerquicklic

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Is their live chat not working?:/

Don't know im onto a winner on my first bet ill see what they are like paying out

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Loafing Oaf

Quick public service announcement: Victor are offering 10/1 on Ribery to be France's top scorer: twice as good as anyone else. Thing is, if I saw those odds on their own I couldn't be sure how attractive they were but when they're so out of step with the other bookies I'm assuming they must be brilliant. Still couldn't be arsed setting up a new account though...

bri007

Ribery is a doubt for France, he has an injury, he may not be fit for the start

Loafing Oaf

bri007 wrote: »

Ribery is a doubt for France, he has an injury, he may not be fit for the start

Well that explains it then...

Hamadeusentman

Group forecast.

NIMAN

I was just checking the outright prices and Spain are fourth favourites?

Seems bookies trying to entice me in.

Smithwicks Man

Hamadeusentman wrote: »

Group forecast.

Can't see both Uruguay and England getting out of the group at the expense of Italy tbh, would regard it as a major shock if they don't qualify from it.

Austria!

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

No matter how good the value is if I don't think they'll get through there is no point in backing it.

If something is good value that means if you were to back it infinity times, you'd end up with a profit instead of a loss. If you can identify bets with good value you just keep backing them. Over a certain amount of bets the profit is inevitable. Turning down a value bet just because it won't win is the strategy of someone who is not going to make progress.

Hamadeusentman

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Can't see both Uruguay and England getting out of the group at the expense of Italy tbh, would regard it as a major shock if they don't qualify from it.

I fully expect England to get out of group D. Hodgson has team v well organised and difficult to beat. Has picked best squad in years i think with ideal balance of youth and experience. Will have them well drilled. Draw v Uruguay and Italy and win v Costa Rica will see them through at expense of Italy. All on first game v Italy.

Smithwicks Man

Hamadeusentman wrote: »

I fully expect England to get out of group D. Hodgson has team v well organised and difficult to beat. Has picked best squad in years i think with ideal balance of youth and experience. Will have them well drilled. Draw v Uruguay and Italy and win v Costa Rica will see them through at expense of Italy. All on first game v Italy.

I think it's hard to pick between Uruguay and England but I will honestly be shocked if Uruguay topped the group with England in tow. Italy have a stronger starting XI than both of them.

I'm not being smart but "a balance of youth and experience" and "well drilled" are just clichés imo, all of the teams are going to be well drilled? :P

The creativity in that Italy midfield with Pirlo, De Rossi and Verratti is sick and if Cassano starts too then there could be chances created from anywhere for the Italians. This, coupled with a strong defense makes me think they'll top the group but as you say, the first game is crucial

Best of luck with the acca, would be some return from 50c :eek:

Hamadeusentman

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I think it's hard to pick between Uruguay and England but I will honestly be shocked if Uruguay topped the group with England in tow. Italy have a stronger starting XI than both of them.

I'm not being smart but "a balance of youth and experience" and "well drilled" are just clichés imo, all of the teams are going to be well drilled? :P

The creativity in that Italy midfield with Pirlo, De Rossi and Verratti is sick and if Cassano starts too then there could be chances created from anywhere for the Italians. This, coupled with a strong defense makes me think they'll top the group but as you say, the first game is crucial

Best of luck with the acca, would be some return from 50c :eek:

Cliches galore there you're right! But i do think hodgson has got it spot on with squad. England have never started out with higher odds (as outright winners) and this will work in their favour. Pressure off slightly and squad announcement was completely understated. Defo reckon they'll hold Italy. That acca was a complete whim. Thinking long and hard about serious bets for WC, trawling this thread daily!

Warper

Hamadeusentman wrote: »

I fully expect England to get out of group D. Hodgson has team v well organised and difficult to beat. Has picked best squad in years i think with ideal balance of youth and experience. Will have them well drilled. Draw v Uruguay and Italy and win v Costa Rica will see them through at expense of Italy. All on first game v Italy.

How would that get them through?

CrabieCrawford

Warper wrote: »

How would that get them through?

All depends on other results. In the last world cup, 4 teams went through with 4 points and 4 teams went through with 5. while 5 doesnt guarantee getting through, its possible to top the group with 5

Smithwicks Man

Hamadeusentman wrote: »

Cliches galore there you're right! But i do think hodgson has got it spot on with squad. England have never started out with higher odds (as outright winners) and this will work in their favour. Pressure off slightly and squad announcement was completely understated. Defo reckon they'll hold Italy. That acca was a complete whim. Thinking long and hard about serious bets for WC, trawling this thread daily!

I see where you're coming from , have to say the standard of tips on this thread has been fairly high so far in terms of the number of value bets!

CrabieCrawford wrote: »

All depends on other results. In the last world cup, 4 teams went through with 4 points and 4 teams went through with 5. while 5 doesnt guarantee getting through, its possible to top the group with 5

It's also possible to go out with 6

Copper_pipe

Australia and Costa Rica to both finish on zero points, 20 returns 105

kerosene

I stuck €200 on
belgium to beat algeria @ 4/9
france to top group e 4/5
ivory coast to qualify from group c21/20
australia zero points 11/8
portugal to beat usa 4/6.
quietly confident. but am concerned about belgium for some reason.

Hamadeusentman

kerosene wrote: »

I stuck €200 on
belgium to beat algeria @ 4/9
france to top group e 4/5
ivory coast to qualify from group c21/20
australia zero points 11/8
portugal to beat usa 4/6.
quietly confident. but am concerned about belgium for some reason.

Nice stake and bet. Has a very good chance.

Hamadeusentman

Warper wrote: »

How would that get them through?

Reckon it'll be very tight group. Costa Rica no push overs either. I think five points should be enough to advance from group d.

MaroonAndGreen

kerosene wrote: »

I stuck €200 on
belgium to beat algeria @ 4/9
france to top group e 4/5
ivory coast to qualify from group c21/20
australia zero points 11/8
portugal to beat usa 4/6.
quietly confident. but am concerned about belgium for some reason.

Them odds on Belgium beating Algeria and Portugal beating USA are brilliant!

Backstreet Moyes

Bets so far few decent bets and low mad stupid bets for pittance.

€50 win Argentina 9/2
€25 win Colombia 28/1
€10 win Chile 50/1

Top Goalscorer special with PP bet €20 get a fiver every time he scores.
€20 on Higuain 22/1
€13 Balotelli and Benzema top scorers 10/1
€5 Dzeko top scorer 80/1

To finish second in groups €5 accum.

Portugal 13/10, Bosnia 13/10, France 21/10, Russia 6/4, Holland 6/4

Group winner €8 accum

Germany 4/7, Argentina 2/9, Brazil 2/9, Italy 13/8, France 5/6, Colombia 5/6

€2.50 acc top scorers for their country.

Ronaldo 1/2, Dzeko 13/8, Balotelli 7/4, Cavani 13/8, Sanchez 21/10, Van Persie 6/5

€3 group straight forecast

Germany/ Portugal 13/8
Argentina/ Bosnia 7/5
France/ Switzerland 23/10
Spain/ Chile 11/4

kerosene

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Them odds on Belgium beating Algeria and Portugal beating USA are brilliant!

I was initially going to do belguim ht/ft @ 5/4 i think. But im a bit concerned about the algerians being much more acclimatised to the heat. I think Portugal to beat usa @ 4/6 is very good value, they will have a lot of support in Brazil as well.

Stacksey

Brazil and Fred top goalscorer 40/1

Ivory Coast/Chile/Russia/Portugal/Bosnia all to qualify from Group 14/1

deisechap09

Lads anybody have an opinion on Eduardo Vargas @ 100/1 for top goalscorer? I reckon Chile could get about 6 in their group and possibly even top the group. I reckon he's great value, has 8 in last 10 with the national side. Sanchez 66/1 aswell I like.

LightningBlue

A couple of bets I like so far:

To Win Outright:

Spain - 13/2 E/W (Have the deepest squad at the tournament, huge tournament experience throughout the team. Whether this is 1 tournament to far for the likes of Xavi I don't know, but with a reasonable route to the semi-finals where the may meet Argentina and some breakthrough players like Koke, Azpilicueta and Costa they are the value team of the 4 favourites. History not on their side as no European team has won a world cup in South America.)

Small Stakes:

Portugal - 28/1 E/W (Really depends on Ronaldo's fitness, can beat anyone in a knockout game.)
Chile - 40/1 E/W (Would make the semi-finals at least with a kinder draw)
Croatia - 150/1 E/W (Great run of form, unbeaten in 11? games, Modric in superb form and have a good squad. Most likely meet Spain in 2nd Round but worth the punt)

Top Goalscorers:
Neymar - 10/1 Win - Will definitely get 4-5 goals over the course of the tournament in Brazil have any chance.
Lukaku - 33/1 E/W - In great form, have an easy group and should make the quarters.
Dzeko - 66/1 E/W - Better than 1 in 2 international record (35/61), easy group, will probably meet France in 2nd round.

Small Stake:
Vargas - 100/1 E/W - Depends on how far Chile go.

To Meet in Final:
Brazil/Spain - 12/1
Germany/Spain - 20/1

Team Top Scorers:

Main Picks:
Romelu Lukaku (Belgium) - 9/4 (None of the Belgian team was prolific in qualifying (Lukaku only got 2 goals but his form heading into the tournament has been great)
Edin Dzeko (Bosnia/Herzegovina) - 11/8 (Stand out pick for Bosnia, 10 goals in qualifying and 35 in 61 caps. Clearly their main man).

Other Picks:

Eduardo Vargas (Chile): 9/2 (In good form heading into the tournament, scored 5 goals in qualifying and is nearly 1 in 2 over his international career)
Asamoah Gyan (Ghana): 7/2 or 10/3 : (Top scorer for Ghana in qualifying (6 goals) and 39 goals in 77 apperances for Ghana. Slight negative No longer on penalties - Mubarak took over during 2013 African Cup of Nations)


Golden Ball:

Neymar (Brazil): - 6/1 to 8/1 If Brazil are to win the world cup on home soil, Neymar is going to be the lynchpin in the team. He is the main goal threat and is on freekicks and penalties. His club form with Barcelona was poor but he seems to thrive on the pitch conditions in Brazil.
Will most likely also be close to being Top Scorer in this situation.

Marco Reus (Germany): 22/1: On current form probably Germany's most dangerous attacker.
Also mostly likely to feature in all of their games throughout the World Cup along with Thomas Muller in Germany's front 4 given Ozil and Gotze's form of late and competition with Schurrle, Podolski and Klose.

LightningBlue

deisechap09 wrote: »

Lads anybody have an opinion on Eduardo Vargas @ 100/1 for top goalscorer? I reckon Chile could get about 6 in their group and possibly even top the group. I reckon he's great value, has 8 in last 10 with the national side. Sanchez 66/1 aswell I like.

I think Vargas is great pick, his form is excellent and he top scored for Chile in qualifying with 5, but the problem is whether Chile will top the group with Spain and Netherlands in there.

If they do top the group, they can easily make the semi finals and he gets 3/4 more games to increase his tally.
If they don't they'll play Brazil who they've only beaten once in the last 14 years. (19 Games: 1 Win (2002 WC Qualifier), 3 Draws, 15 Defeats)

deisechap09

LightningBlue wrote: »

I think Vargas is great pick, his form is excellent and he top scored for Chile in qualifying with 5, but the problem is whether Chile will top the group with Spain and Netherlands in there.

If they do top the group, they can easily make the semi finals and he gets 3/4 more games to increase his tally.
If they don't they'll play Brazil who they've only beaten once in the last 14 years. (19 Games: 1 Win (2002 WC Qualifier, 3 Draws, 15 Defeats)

Yeah that's similiar to my thinking. I couldn't fancy them to beat Brazil but get a draw off Spain (providing they beat Netherlands and Australia) and goal difference becomes a major factor. I have them (-1) against Australia as one of my bets of the opening round! At 100/1 Vargas could be value, can't remember exactly but he was joint SA player of the year in 2011 I think.

inforfun

Also expect Chile/Vargas to get a bit in card trouble. Tough group to begin with and they dont have the mentality to pull out of tackles. Already have a serious amount of cards in the friendlies they played.

diomed

LightningBlue wrote: »

Asamoah Gyan (Ghana): 7/2 or 10/3 : (Top scorer for Ghana in qualifying (6 goals) and 39 goals in 77 apperances for Ghana. Penalty taker for the team)

Captain Asamoah Gyan insists he will only take penalties for Ghana during shoot-outs but not in in regulation time ahead of the 2014 World Cup finals.

But at club level he continues to bang in the goals from 12 yards.

Gyan was advised by his late mother to abstain from taking penalties for the Black Stars after the UAE-based striker was severally criticized following Ghana’s failed 2012 Nations Cup campaign.

The Al Ain striker missed a penalty in open play in the 1-0 semi-final defeat to eventual Zambia and he suffered abuses, which led to his temporary retirement from the national team.

Gyan says the decision to stand by his as a mark of respect for his late mum.

“Although my mother who advised me not to take penalties for Ghana is no more that is the last thing I have to do to pay my respect to her, so for now I won’t volunteer to take penalties for Ghana,” Gyan said.

“You see I am the first option in terms of spot kicks for my club, but that is not going to happen for Ghana because of previous experience, but during penalty shootout and it becomes mandatory for me to take a penalty I will.”

At the 2013 Nations Cup, Gyan was replaced by Mubarak Wakaso as Ghana’s penalty taker.

Gyan has scored a total of 39 goals and just one short of equaling Ghana’s all-time top scorer.

diomed

Country ......... Penalty Taker?

Algeria ......... Feghouli
Argentina ....... Messi
Australia ....... Jedinak
Belgium ......... Hazard
Bosnia .......... Misimovic
Brazil .......... Neymar
Cameroon ........ Eto'o
Chile ........... Vidal
Colombia ........ Rodriguez
Costa Rica ...... Saborio
Croatia ......... Kranjcar
Ecuador ......... Castillo
England ......... Gerrard
France .......... Ribery
Germany ......... Ozil
Ghana ........... Mubarak
Greece .......... Salpingidis
Honduras ........ Bengtson
Iran ............ Nekounam
Italy ........... Balotelli
Ivory Coast ..... Drogba
Japan ........... Kagawa
Mexico .......... Fabian
Netherlands ..... van Persie
Nigeria ......... Moses
Portugal ........ Ronaldo
Russia .......... Kombarov
South Korea ..... Ja-Cheol Koo
Spain ........... Villa
Switzerland ..... Dzemaili
Uruguay ......... Suarez
USA ............. Dempsey

I haven't checked if these are in the squads
or if they are first team choices.

LightningBlue

diomed wrote: »

Captain Asamoah Gyan insists he will only take penalties for Ghana during shoot-outs but not in in regulation time ahead of the 2014 World Cup finals.

But at club level he continues to bang in the goals from 12 yards.

Gyan was advised by his late mother to abstain from taking penalties for the Black Stars after the UAE-based striker was severally criticized following Ghana’s failed 2012 Nations Cup campaign.

The Al Ain striker missed a penalty in open play in the 1-0 semi-final defeat to eventual Zambia and he suffered abuses, which led to his temporary retirement from the national team.

Gyan says the decision to stand by his as a mark of respect for his late mum.

“Although my mother who advised me not to take penalties for Ghana is no more that is the last thing I have to do to pay my respect to her, so for now I won’t volunteer to take penalties for Ghana,” Gyan said.

“You see I am the first option in terms of spot kicks for my club, but that is not going to happen for Ghana because of previous experience, but during penalty shootout and it becomes mandatory for me to take a penalty I will.”

At the 2013 Nations Cup, Gyan was replaced by Mubarak Wakaso as Ghana’s penalty taker.

Gyan has scored a total of 39 goals and just one short of equaling Ghana’s all-time top scorer.

Thanks for that info. Thought he was still the penalty taker - missed the last African Cup of Nations.
Still think he is their most likely player from open play.

Did you take Wakaso Top scorer on Betfair? Is he likely to start most games - I haven't seen Ghana play since 2012 ACON.

-- Edit -- Just looked it up Wakaso scored 4 goals in 2013 ACON, 3 penalties, 1 from play v Cape Verde in QF

diomed

I think Wakaso Mubarak is unlikely to start. My guess is one of the senior players will take penalties.
My top scorer bets are Gyan at 400 and Mubarak at 800.

yabadabado

Hamadeusentman wrote: »

Group forecast.

For 50c its probably as well to do a few permations .For the sake of a fiver it could be well worth it.

yabadabado

Does anyone know if the PP top goalscorer special is one bet per account?think of doing Fred and Muller e/w if I'm allowed do the special more than once.

clickerquicklic

yabadabado wrote: »

Does anyone know if the PP top goalscorer special is one bet per account?think of doing Fred and Muller e/w if I'm allowed do the special more than once.

Place a €/£20 bet on a player in the World Cup Top Goalscorer market and get a €/£5 free bet every time he scores.
Does not apply to bets placed in shops.
Applies to bets placed on World Cup 2014 Top Goalscorer market only.
Qualifying bet must be £/€20 or more on a single player, i.e. £/€10 Each Way qualifies.
Maximum £/€5 free bet per selection per goal.
Applies to bets placed from 7pm Saturday 24th May until 9pm on Thursday June 12th.
Own Goals don't count.
Goals in Penalty Shootouts don't count.
FIFA.com will be used for settlement purposes.
Free bet can be placed on any sport and is valid for 7 days.
Paddy Power Football Rules apply.
Paddy Power reserves the right, at its discretion, to exclude certain customers from this promotion and to change the terms or availability of this offer at any time.

clickerquicklic

Same offer is on at a host of books though , smartlivesports running the same offer betbright aswell, cant think of anymore off top of my head but there is more

Loafing Oaf

Dzeko 25/1 with WH to be to prem goalscorer...definitely more enticing than Golden Boot for me.

Backstreet Moyes

Chile really are worth a bet at 50/1. If they top that group they have a chance to go very deep in the tournament.

yabadabado

clickerquicklic wrote: »

Place a €/£20 bet on a player in the World Cup Top Goalscorer market and get a €/£5 free bet every time he scores.
Does not apply to bets placed in shops.
Applies to bets placed on World Cup 2014 Top Goalscorer market only.
Qualifying bet must be £/€20 or more on a single player, i.e. £/€10 Each Way qualifies.
Maximum £/€5 free bet per selection per goal.
Applies to bets placed from 7pm Saturday 24th May until 9pm on Thursday June 12th.
Own Goals don't count.
Goals in Penalty Shootouts don't count.
FIFA.com will be used for settlement purposes.
Free bet can be placed on any sport and is valid for 7 days.
Paddy Power Football Rules apply.
Paddy Power reserves the right, at its discretion, to exclude certain customers from this promotion and to change the terms or availability of this offer at any time.

I don't want to do a double,just want to do the special more than once.sems like I can.

Trimm Trabb

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dzeko 25/1 with WH to be to prem goalscorer...definitely more enticing than Golden Boot for me.

Have this at 33/1 with PP -not sure if its still at that price now but was a few days ago.

Shanotheslayer

OXlaide Chamberlain is injured for 10 days. Milner is 5/4 to start V Italy and Sterling is 13/8. Not a 100% arb but pretty darn close!

Backstreet Moyes

yabadabado wrote: »

I don't want to do a double,just want to do the special more than once.sems like I can.

That looks good surely the likes of Neymar, Messi and Higuain will score 3 or 4. So you could probably make profit of those three alone.

Copper_pipe

Nuts102 wrote: »

Chile really are worth a bet at 50/1. If they top that group they have a chance to go very deep in the tournament.

Iv 10 each way on them @50/1. I reckon they'll go far

seklly

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Iv 10 each way on them @50/1. I reckon they'll go far

I have a similar bet, €10 on them to win @ 50/1 and €10 to reach final @ 22/1