Pure in heart abstinence only education

maguic24

Sarky wrote: »

Oh, I remember a group doing that sellotape thing at my school. That'd be about 15 years ago so doubt it was Pure In Heart. Or at least Pure In Heart wasn't their name back then >_>

They finished off by attempting a ludicrously embarrassing montage of "cool" ways to turn down sex. I felt really sorry for them at the time. Mostly the Canadian guy who seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was dressed like Garth Brooks on tour.

We had the cellotape guys in too!!! I was in 2nd year at the time. Didn't really know what to make of it.

Peregrinus

lazygal wrote: »

What is abstinence plus????

"Promoting abstinence but also discussing contraception".

pablohoney87

maguic24 wrote: »

We had the cellotape guys in too!!! I was in 2nd year at the time. Didn't really know what to make of it.

Its a ridiculous analogy.

You could easily use similar demonstrations to say sex with different partners will make your penis bigger

pablohoney87

They are now resorting to the same tactics as Youth Defence and other organisations whose roots lie with the Religious right. Deleting any comments on facebook which are critical of them or bring forward debate to their promotion

PopePalpatine

I haven't actually heard much noise from Jugendschutz for the past few months. Perhaps Pure in Heart and Homophobegate is taking up their time?

maguic24

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I haven't actually heard much noise from Jugendschutz for the past few months. Perhaps Pure in Heart and Homophobegate is taking up their time?

Homophobegate, are you actually serious? There's an organisation called Homophobegate? :O I've heard it all now.

Nodin

oscarBravo wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/sex-education-sellotape-1310906-Feb2014/?utm_source=shortlink

Useless shower of tossers. No point in giving them credence by a long critique.

oceanclub

They appear to have now deleted their Facebook page and also turned off their web site. One wonders why if they stand behind everything they do.

P.

oceanclub

Zed Bank wrote: »

They visited my school down here in waterford last year when I was in TY. The speakers where really down to earth, the fella was covered in tattoos and piercings and the women had absolutely no problem discussing the nitty gritty of sex, definitely not Jesus freaks and in no way over zealous. They really insisted on rejecting the more hardline religious dogma. It was more about the dangers of STIs and to use contraception. They openly admitted to having sex before marriage themselves and enthusiastically encouraged us to make the choice to stay chaste ourselves. Im not 100% certain, but I think (again not sure) they said they supported gay marriage, I switched off when they started discussing the religious aspect. Overall it was definitely worthwhile. And as an atheist I enjoyed it. It was a good laugh and I dont think they deserve the flak they are getting.

Are you sure this is the same people? This contradicts both what the Iona Institute say about group - and they're in the same building - (http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=3351) and also what friend says the group said to her child when asked about homosexuality.

P.

The Black Oil

I can't listen in work, but the Sean O' Rourke show will be covering the Pure folks after 10am this morning. RTE 1.

oscarBravo

There was a segment on Drivetime yesterday evening as well. Pure in Heart were - surprisingly - unavailable for comment.

lazygal

oscarBravo wrote: »

There was a segment on Drivetime yesterday evening as well. Pure in Heart were - surprisingly - unavailable for comment.

They and their like are well open to comment left, right and centre on sundry other occasions.

oceanclub

oceanclub wrote: »

They appear to have now deleted their Facebook page and also turned off their web site. One wonders why if they stand behind everything they do.

P.

It's only okay to do behind closed doors if the students don't tell anyone

The whole thing sounds mad
sellotape
Go way out of that and give them actual facts
I have no problem with encouraging young and uncertain teens to make sure they've thought about and are happy with the choices they make, but they need to be informed about those choices, and boosting self confidence and self esteem is not going to happen with sellotape and telling them they're worthless if they give in. Or whatever they did, that's the usual going by the "weird school talks" thread

GLaDOS

This was supposed to demonstrate the effect of having sex before marriage. The Sellotape collects hair and is no longer useful.

That's a fucking horrible thing to say

lazygal

Really glad to hear some students walked out and their parents spoke up about this codology.

Call me Al

Frightening to hear that someone, who believes that contraception is bad because it doesn't honour the partner's fertility, is allowed to give a class and address many impressionable teenagers.

It's a very hardcore and extreme opinion to be allowed pass on without being questioned.

pablohoney87

Call me Al wrote: »

Frightening to hear that someone, who believes that contraception is bad because it doesn't honour the partner's fertility, is allowed to give a class and address many impressionable teenagers.

It's a very hardcore and extreme opinion to be allowed pass on without being questioned.

If I were a parent I would be straight down to the school insisting notification of any future "Speakers". Its disgraceful that they aren't notified already.

Cabaal

Call me Al wrote: »

Frightening to hear that someone, who believes that contraception is bad because it doesn't honour the partner's fertility, is allowed to give a class and address many impressionable teenagers.

It's a very hardcore and extreme opinion to be allowed pass on without being questioned.

It is I agree, but the problem is its in-line with the catholic "ethos"...condoms are a sin don't ya know....

pablohoney87

Cabaal wrote: »

It is I agree, but the problem is its in-line with the catholic "ethos"...condoms are a sin don't ya know....

Silly us for thinking education should be the "ethos" of a school

Cabaal

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Silly us for thinking education should be the "ethos" of a school

From the catholic stand point it is still education,

Lets not forget they teach zombie jesusand eating zombie jesus as fact, what they teach doesn't have to have any basis in reality or fact

Qs

Cabaal wrote: »

Lets not forget they teach zombie jesusand eating zombie jesus as fact, what they teach doesn't have to have any basis in reality or fact

You see if you ingest zombie flesh you too become a zombie.

Sulla Felix

pablohoney87 wrote: »

If I were a parent I would be straight down to the school insisting notification of any future "Speakers". Its disgraceful that they aren't notified already.

I would have thought they had to be. I remember numerous permission slips being brought home over the years when I was in school and I left over a decade ago. Maybe my Principal just didn't have his head up his ass though.

pablohoney87

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I would have thought they had to be. I remember numerous permission slips being brought home over the years when I was in school and I left over a decade ago. Maybe my Principal just didn't have his head up his ass though.

Probably the latter. It has said in the articles that the schools were under no obligation to notify parents and didnt

Obliq

Oh. Dear. Gob.

I've only just got internet back after the obnoxious rant-disinhibiting storms, but listened to the radio 1 programme that addressed it today. Grrrr, if I'd have had call credit, I'd have texted in, as seemingly, only 1 in 10 texts were against the Pure in Heart ****e they were caught out in teaching to impressionable young wans. Isn't their a law against teaching kids non factual info here? Can they be had for it???

It's hard to believe that Irish parents of my age are as freaked out by their kids thinking about/acting on sexual urges as my generation's parents were.....but it seems so. How sad. But perhaps it was only the very discombobulated (new word; thanks Panti ) who were texting in. I'm very afraid that Catholic parents of teens are still so afraid of the notion of teen pregnancy and STDs and (god forbid) HOMOSEXUALITY (!), that they are adopting the fall-back position of ABSTINENCE, which works SO well eh? Will send a lengthy email to RTE1 tonight now I'm back online.

Advise others to use their voice too.....this is not bloody on - that the teens of Ireland are hearing none of us can tolerate the realities of their lives. It'd be like when I was growing up, and that was backward enough. F*ck that.

ZeroThreat

I went to a CBS on the Longmile road in Dublin (did LC in 1997). Don't ever recall this group visiting our school though.

Brian Shanahan

Obliq wrote: »

Grrrr, if I'd have had call credit, I'd have texted in, as seemingly, only 1 in 10 texts were against the Pure in Heart ****e they were caught out in teaching to impressionable young wans. Isn't their a law against teaching kids non factual info here? Can they be had for it???

I find that text in segments are either one of two things most of the time, a) they're either clogged up with the minority green ink, curtain twitcher, brigade which is only a tiny proportion of the true population or b) for reasons of editorial nature (i.e. to be sensational and angry up Obliq's blood {don't know why they picked you specifically}) they publish a very skewed sample of what was actually sent in.

Obliq

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

I find that text in segments are either one of two things most of the time, a) they're either clogged up with the minority green ink, curtain twitcher, brigade which is only a tiny proportion of the true population or b) for reasons of editorial nature (i.e. to be sensational and angry up Obliq's blood {don't know why they picked you specifically}) they publish a very skewed sample of what was actually sent in.

Hey man....I don't know why they picked on me either (did they?!) Maybe there's a pay out in it. Disgusted, Co. Clare.

oceanclub

So Pure in Heart Ireland wouldn't respond to the Irish Independent or to Today Sean O'Rourke, but have a spokesperson talking to the Irish Catholic:

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/chastity-group-rejects-claims-%E2%80%98strange-practices%E2%80%99

They claim the sellotape story is "quite alarming and without basis", implying the students telling these stories are liars.

P.

pablohoney87

oceanclub wrote: »

So Pure in Heart Ireland wouldn't respond to the Irish Independent or to Today Sean O'Rourke, but have a spokesperson talking to the Irish Catholic:

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/chastity-group-rejects-claims-%E2%80%98strange-practices%E2%80%99

They claim the sellotape story is "quite alarming and without basis", implying the students telling these stories are liars.

P.

Extremely worrying that they will not reply to my own email either but will release a statement to a sympathetic media outlet rather than a national one.

lazygal

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Extremely worrying that they will not reply to my own email either but will release a statement to a sympathetic media outlet rather than a national one.

But not surprising.

pablohoney87

I'm sure they would still be willing to talk about a visit from them if I were to enquire about that for a school

The Black Oil

Just listening to the report from the Sean O' Rourke show now. You can access it here.

Glad to hear the students speaking out and that this got national coverage. I'm there'll be some inevitable 'don't want this, don't go to to a Catholic school!!111!' botheration any minute now. Yep...oh, 'kids force fed sex outside of marriage without the choice of chastity.' The students and parents who objected are cowardly. Wow.

robindch

Wonder what would happen if a few people contacted a bunch of schools pretending to be "Pure in Heart" and got themselves invited in where they did completely random christian fundie sex ed stuff. Poe's law and all that.

Not that I'm suggesting it's a good or honest idea. Just that it could be quite informative. And probably very funny.

Obliq

What a marvellous idea! I'm in. It would be the best sex-ed class ever - definitely more factual than Pure in Heart, but possibly less.....well.....pure. Ahem. Perhaps I should offer lectures as Pure of Heart? No word of a lie, like...;)

Peregrinus

Don't google this at work (for the love of God, don't!), but apparently "scotch tape fetish" is a thing.

And now we know why.

The Black Oil

Yer man who edits the Irish Catholic had a little bit of dig at the RTE reporter before the piece had even aired. Typical.

Galvasean

robindch wrote: »

Wonder what would happen if a few people contacted a bunch of schools pretending to be "Pure in Heart" and got themselves invited in where they did completely random christian fundie sex ed stuff. Poe's law and all that.

Not that I'm suggesting it's a good or honest idea. Just that it could be quite informative. And probably very funny.

We should teach that the only Christian way to procreate is to abstain and wait for God to do the dirty work - it worked in the Bible after all.

Galvasean

The Black Oil wrote: »

Yer man who edits the Irish Catholic had a little bit of dig at the RTE reporter before the piece had even aired. Typical.

Good comeback by O'Connell.

Absoluvely

Anne O'Reilly from Pure in Heart on Today with Sean O'Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1 today to respond to complaints about the talks they give in schools.

Brighten up your Monday afternoon! It's on the RTÉ Player; just skip to 17:30 into the show.

Apparently they're educating, inspiring and encouraging children to make their own lifestyle choices. A totally Irish, standalone, independent and charitable organisation too.

Article & discussion about the interview here: http://www.thejournal.ie/pure-in-heart-abstinence-talks-1330894-Feb2014/

pablohoney87

Absoluvely wrote: »

Anne O'Reilly from Pure in Heart on Today with Sean O'Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1 today to respond to complaints about the talks they give in schools.

Brighten up your Monday afternoon! It's on the RTÉ Player; just skip to 17:30 into the show.

Apparently they're educating, inspiring and encouraging children to make their own lifestyle choices. A totally Irish, standalone, independent and charitable organisation too.

Article & discussion about the interview here: http://www.thejournal.ie/pure-in-heart-abstinence-talks-1330894-Feb2014/

I'm actually so disgusted listening to that. She was given the perfect out by O'Rourke asking what they say to teenagers who are already sexually active.

Do they educate them on safe sex? Nope they try to educate them on Chastity still. These people are dangerous to have them talking to children/teenagers on these matters

oceanclub

Absoluvely wrote: »

Anne O'Reilly from Pure in Heart on Today with Sean O'Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1 today to respond to complaints about the talks they give in schools.

Brighten up your Monday afternoon! It's on the RTÉ Player; just skip to 17:30 into the show.

Apparently they're educating, inspiring and encouraging children to make their own lifestyle choices. A totally Irish, standalone, independent and charitable organisation too.

Article & discussion about the interview here: http://www.thejournal.ie/pure-in-heart-abstinence-talks-1330894-Feb2014/

I didn't get a chance to listen but all commentary I've heard suggests it was a completely fluffy interview and the rep wasn't pressing on any of the comments they made.

P.

Nodin

"rabble reported earlier this month, on Ireland’s no.1 pro-life site publishing under a headline ‘Pregnancy from Rape is Rare’ that following rape women’s bodies ’may bring into play some natural defence mechanisms that reduce the likelihood of pregnancy, such as hormonal change and spasms of the fallopian tubes which inhibit ovulation or fertilisation.’
The Pure In Heart group operates as a charity although they do suggest on

their site that a fee of €250 per school or ‘whatever the school can afford is appreciated’. Some of these details are difficult to find as both their Facebook page has been deleted and their website is ‘under construction’ coincidentally since the Journal article appeared. However using our tech monkeys we’ve garnered most of their online info and what follows are some of the highlights.

The group is registered at 23 Merrion Square in Dublin 2 – the same address as the Iona Institute and lists it’s trading address as 3 Pembroke Park, Dublin 4, which it shares with Catholic Charismatic Renewal."

http://www.rabble.ie/2014/02/25/we-dont-need-iona-education/

O what a bunch of charmers.....

"According to a 2006 report in Catholic Ireland news Damian Polly (28) from Pure in Heart left his IT job to worked full time in the ‘ministry’ since at least 2004. Damian believes ‘girls should be more accountable for their actions.’ As you would expect the group has had ties with the US abstinence movement. Pure in Heart invited Pam Stanzel to speak, she has something of a reputation being accused of ‘slut-shaming’ in the past. Some highlights from her talks with US schoolkids include “If you take birth control, your mother probably hates you” and “I could look at any one of you in the eyes right now and tell if you’re going to be promiscuous.”

And yes, its the womans job to say nay.....because why would they want to say yes?

"The emphasis throughout their material is consistently and repeatedly on the responsibility of girls for a couple’s chastity. It permeates every lesson and source. The idea that sex is something males want and it is up to females to deny; sex is natural as God has made us ‘desirous’ so purity is the burden of the female to maintain."

robindch

^^^ Linky:

http://www.rabble.ie/2014/02/25/we-dont-need-iona-education/

Nodin

robindch wrote: »

^^^ Linky:

http://www.rabble.ie/2014/02/25/we-dont-need-iona-education/

There was a linky....

robindch

Ok, sorry, half way through it -- missed it -- apologies!

Nodin

robindch wrote: »

Ok, sorry, half way through it -- missed it -- apologies!

No, looking at it now, its fairly obscure....I shall attend to it.

BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD EVER BE ON THE PILL FOR NON BIRTH CONTROL REASONS


Oh god people like that make me so angry
Crush kill destroy

Nodin

bluewolf wrote: »

BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD EVER BE ON THE PILL FOR NON BIRTH CONTROL REASONS


Oh god people like that make me so angry
Crush kill destroy

stop...don't....violence is wrong.....

VinLieger

Further evidence of the disgusting lies and scare tactics these clowns use to impose their distorted values and opinions on impressionable kids

http://www.thejournal.ie/pure-in-heard-condoms-1332566-Mar2014/

eviltwin

VinLieger wrote: »

Further evidence of the disgusting lies and scare tactics these clowns use to impose their distorted values and opinions on impressionable kids

http://www.thejournal.ie/pure-in-heard-condoms-1332566-Mar2014/

I wonder why the comments are closed for that story?