'Stand up and Fight'

Iang87

phog wrote: »

Great song, loved by players and supporters.

phog wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "few" but I'd love to get a euro for every supporter that sings along to SUAF at Munster games.




Sorry I misunderstood what you meany by disagreeing with "loved by players and supporters"

I think it's obviously liked by supporters.

BTW, no one is claiming it's loved by every supporter.

it appears you make that claim

Cookiemunster

Iang87 wrote: »

it appears you make that claim

I agree with Phog. I don't personally know anyone who dislikes it and I'd say 60-70% of the people around me at the matches sing along before the game.

.ak

Fireball07 wrote: »

The worst chants in Ireland are the long-drawn out "Muuuuuuunster" or "Leeeeeeeeinster" or even "Iiiiiiiiireland". Just sound crap, and need to stop now.

Really? But every team's fans chant their teams name? You'll hear that in every AP game and in Wales and in Scotland too?

Chanting the name of the team is just a simple way of supporting your team. Actually when you get a big stadium and everyone is chanting 'Leinster, Leinster' or 'Munster, Munster' in unison I think it's hair raising, and generally can be seen to motivate the team on the pitch. You often see it with Leinster when the crowd get behind them for a big defensive shift and players often respond to it and scramble well.

Absolutely should not stop IMO.

molloyjh

Surely I'm not the only one who sees SUFTUM when SUAF appears? Not sure which became common usage first, but I would have been aware of SUFTUM first so I automatically think of Ulster when I see it first.

As for the song itself I'm not hugely gone on it. I don't have that much of a problem with it either though. It does just remind me of a woman trying to start a row with me in Thomond over Leinster "stealing" all of their songs and how we should come up with something original like SUAF. Letting her in on the fact that it's a Broadway musical song from the 40s didn't seem to impress her at all....

jm08

molloyjh wrote: »

Surely I'm not the only one who sees SUFTUM when SUAF appears? Not sure which became common usage first, but I would have been aware of SUFTUM first so I automatically think of Ulster when I see it first.

As for the song itself I'm not hugely gone on it. I don't have that much of a problem with it either though. It does just remind me of a woman trying to start a row with me in Thomond over Leinster "stealing" all of their songs and how we should come up with something original like SUAF. Letting her in on the fact that it's a Broadway musical song from the 40s didn't seem to impress her at all....

Its originally from Bizet's Opera 'Carmen' and is known as the Toreador Song.

Good rendition here - highly appropriate pre a rugby match in Ireland - the fans getting warmed up with a bit of boozing before a match/fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qmSEvDEGs

who_me

.ak wrote: »

Really? But every team's fans chant their teams name? You'll hear that in every AP game and in Wales and in Scotland too?

Chanting the name of the team is just a simple way of supporting your team. Actually when you get a big stadium and everyone is chanting 'Leinster, Leinster' or 'Munster, Munster' in unison I think it's hair raising, and generally can be seen to motivate the team on the pitch. You often see it with Leinster when the crowd get behind them for a big defensive shift and players often respond to it and scramble well.

Absolutely should not stop IMO.

I think that's exactly it - any chant is good if the fans "give it welly" so to speak. And conversely, when it's a few individual drunks trying to start it any chant/song sounds bad.

IMO, that's why largely La Marseillaise is such a great anthem - not necessarily because it's a better song but because the French sing it with full gusto. (Unlike our anthem where we mumble for a few minutes then belt out the last few words followed by a roar).

.ak

who_me wrote: »

I think that's exactly it - any chant is good if the fans "give it welly" so to speak. And conversely, when it's a few individual drunks trying to start it any chant/song sounds bad.

IMO, that's why largely La Marseillaise is such a great anthem - not necessarily because it's a better song but because the French sing it with full gusto. (Unlike our anthem where we mumble for a few minutes then belt out the last few words followed by a roar).

Yeah.. It is a great anthem tho!

Fireball07

.ak wrote: »

Really? But every team's fans chant their teams name? You'll hear that in every AP game and in Wales and in Scotland too?

Chanting the name of the team is just a simple way of supporting your team. Actually when you get a big stadium and everyone is chanting 'Leinster, Leinster' or 'Munster, Munster' in unison I think it's hair raising, and generally can be seen to motivate the team on the pitch. You often see it with Leinster when the crowd get behind them for a big defensive shift and players often respond to it and scramble well.

Absolutely should not stop IMO.

It's not chanting the name that I have a problem with, it's the way it's done. It generally sounds very dirge-like.

I think if it was faster-paced and maybe more aggressive, like the French clubs do, it would sound better.

Orlaw3136

I think stand up and fight is great, and I'm a Leinster fan. As regards the pre-match 'entertainment' incorporating a performance of it...meh.

It's a classic case of trying to replicate the effect of spontaneous behaviour by a crowd by installing it as a ritual.

Where you have 000's of people acting on the same impulse to chant or better yet sing to encourage their team there is a powerful almost tangible sense of unison, emotion, being part of a whole.

It generally loses its impact when its part of a programmed event, except for with national anthems for some reason (wouldn't agree that Amhrain na bhFiann is always sung half-heartedly).

For the same reason, some berk with a mic shouting 'LETS SUPPORT THE LADS COME ON LEINSTER YOU BOYS IN BLUUUUUUUE LETS HEAR YOU' will only ever get a somewhat embarassed half-hearted response compared to the sort of visceral cheer that is generated spontaneously by a crowd that really wants to be a part of a collective effort.

footnote : most irritating chant is that 'Red Indian' thing the Exeter fans do, although they're such a nice bunch of people you couldn't dislike them for it.

phog

Iang87 wrote: »

it appears you make that claim

Well there's loads of evidence that both the team and the supporters like it. There's footage of the team singing it in the dressing room and have a look around TP any day and you'll see the masses belting it out.

.ak

phog wrote: »

Well there's loads of evidence that both the team and the supporters like it. There's footage of the team singing it in the dressing room and have a look around TP any day and you'll see the masses belting it out.

I wonder what the players think of it, genuinely.

We sing this club chant thing if our team wins after a game, but a lot of the players make a joke about it - it is a little bit cringey, but after a game you don't care.

phog

.ak wrote: »

I wonder what the players think of it, genuinely.

We sing this club chant thing if our team wins after a game, but a lot of the players make a joke about it - it is a little bit cringey, but after a game you don't care.

Maybe ye don't win too often so ye're not used to the chant.

As for the players, it has a long history with the squad and there's no reason to think that they think it's cringey.

.ak

phog wrote: »

Maybe ye don't win too often so ye're not used to the chant.

Ha! More often than not, thankfully.

As for the players, it has a long history with the squad and there's no reason to think that they think it's cringey.

Ah there's plenty of reason. Can you imagine singing that in a changing room before a game with just a bunch of lads? I couldn't.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

.ak wrote: »

Ah there's plenty of reason. Can you imagine singing that in a changing room before a game with just a bunch of lads? I couldn't.

Actually on this,

I played with a club in the West for a season a few years ago

First game we won, we all got back into the dressing room, everyone stood up, got arm in arm and sang a club song!

It's was very strange for me and happened every time we won that season!

Foxtrol

phog wrote: »

Well there's loads of evidence that both the team and the supporters like it. There's footage of the team singing it in the dressing room and have a look around TP any day and you'll see the masses belting it out.

The All Blacks were playing the Vengaboys in the dressing room after the win against Ireland.

Presume they’ll be getting rid of the haka and having a soprano belt out ‘Boom, Boom’ now before their games now, makes sense as sure we've evidence that the team likes it.

.ak

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Actually on this,

I played with a club in the West for a season a few years ago

First game we won, we all got back into the dressing room, everyone stood up, got arm in arm and sang a club song!

It's was very strange for me and happened every time we won that season!

Yeah like I said about our club (clontarf) does something similar, but it's directly linked to the club, it's not a big opera/musical song, kinda different.. Also we only sing it after winning.

who_me

.ak wrote: »

Yeah.. It is a great anthem tho!

Well, yeah. Of course it is!

I'm just not sure how much of that is the song itself, and how much is due to the French fans singing it with gusto from the very start.

phog

.ak wrote: »

Ha! More often than not, thankfully.



Ah there's plenty of reason. Can you imagine singing that in a changing room before a game with just a bunch of lads? I couldn't.

I think they sing it after their game not before

phog

Foxtrol wrote: »

The All Blacks were playing the Vengaboys in the dressing room after the win against Ireland.

Presume they’ll be getting rid of the haka and having a soprano belt out ‘Boom, Boom’ now before their games now, makes sense as sure we've evidence that the team likes it.

That's a bit of nonsense but I really didn't expect much more.

Foxtrol

phog wrote: »

That's a bit of nonsense but I really didn't expect much more.

You made a statement of fact that ‘the players like it’ when in truth you actually have no clue if they like it or if the majority think it’s a complete joke.

The example I gave was showing that just because something is done in the dressing room doesn’t mean the majority of players approve of it and want it to become a pregame ritual.

phog

Foxtrol wrote: »

You made a statement of fact that ‘the players like it’ when in truth you actually have no clue if they like it or if the majority think it’s a complete joke.

The example I gave was showing that just because something is done in the dressing room doesn’t mean the majority of players approve of it and want it to become a pregame ritual.

So seeing the players willingly take part in the song somehow doesn't empower me to come to that conclusion. I've heard/seen the players sing this sing going back to the old Thomond Park.
There's ample evidence that the players like the song.

Foxtrol

phog wrote: »

So seeing the players willingly take part in the song somehow doesn't empower me to come to that conclusion. I've heard/seen the players sing this sing going back to the old Thomond Park.
There's ample evidence that the players like the song.

You manager hands around words and then there’s a push to sing it then guys will sing it, whether they think it’s a great song or incredibly cringey. There’s also been a massive squad turnover since the old Thomond Park with more players coming from outside the province.

You might call it ‘loads of evidence’ but I call it tenuous at best and there’s no way you can state it as a fact.

As usual this isn't going anywhere so I'm out.

phog

Foxtrol wrote: »

You manager hands around words and then there’s a push to sing it then guys will sing it

Is that a fact?

Orlaw3136

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwJyab16zKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hhHKg8vvs

(from 60 secs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLf8vy7O92g

(yeah they hate it...even trying to drown out the god-awful stadium music after a minor away victory)


One account of the post-match celebrations following the original Miracle Match here https://www.facebook.com/MRSC16/posts/10151944958686940

:-Then onto the steps of the West Stand and linked together as a team they
started to sing "Stand up and fight". All eyes were focused on them .
correction all eyes were staring up at them with an expression that is
usually reserved for the Pope. We have new patron saints of rugby,
namely the Munster Senior team of 2002/03.


So, yeah, I wonder what the Munster team thinks of it...:pac:

phog

Orlaw3136 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwJyab16zKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hhHKg8vvs

(from 60 secs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLf8vy7O92g

(yeah they hate it...even trying to drown out the god-awful stadium music after a minor away victory)


One account of the post-match celebrations following the original Miracle Match here https://www.facebook.com/MRSC16/posts/10151944958686940

:-Then onto the steps of the West Stand and linked together as a team they
started to sing "Stand up and fight". All eyes were focused on them .
correction all eyes were staring up at them with an expression that is
usually reserved for the Pope. We have new patron saints of rugby,
namely the Munster Senior team of 2002/03.


So, yeah, I wonder what the Munster team thinks of it...:pac:

ah if you look closely you can see the manager watching for who's not singing, no contract renewal for any of them. :pac:

jm08

Foxtrol wrote: »

You made a statement of fact that ‘the players like it’ when in truth you actually have no clue if they like it or if the majority think it’s a complete joke.

The example I gave was showing that just because something is done in the dressing room doesn’t mean the majority of players approve of it and want it to become a pregame ritual.

The story goes that Brian O'Brien who was the Munster Team Manager is a bit of an opera buff and he used to play it in the dressing room before the match and it is a bit of a ritual before a match for them. I'd also imagine that if they didn't like it, it wouldn't be played, but one or two have talked about how inspiring it is to hear the crowd & tenors/Cara singing that before they come out for a match.

The words have real meaning going into a match. The only problem is that unlike the Fields, its a difficult song to sing (and hence why they usually get live entertainers to do it).

CatFromHue

Kevin Myers has a go at Leinster cos they sing Allez Les Bleus yet Munster can sing Opera :pac::pac::D

Iang87

phog wrote: »

Well there's loads of evidence that both the team and the supporters like it. There's footage of the team singing it in the dressing room and have a look around TP any day and you'll see the masses belting it out.

honestly now not being funny I've never seen anyone "belting it out" let alone masses doing so.

People do sing it but no1 off the pitch belts it.

Cookiemunster

Iang87 wrote: »

honestly now not being funny I've never seen anyone "belting it out" let alone masses doing so.

People do sing it but no1 off the pitch belts it.

Well you must have your eyes closed then. Whether you like it or not, the fans do sing along with it pre match.

Iang87

yes people sing along but he is implying people are up in arms singing it and that really isnt the case

phog

Iang87 wrote: »

yes people sing along but he is implying people are up in arms singing it and that really isnt the case

Meet me in the East terrace Balla end for the Edinburgh game and we can compare what we see/hear when the fans sing it.

Henry Ford III

I think it's great.

If you don't like it you easily can ignore it.

Either way 6 pages on this is mindboggling.

Iang87

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I think it's great.

If you don't like it you easily can ignore it.

Either way 6 pages on this is mindboggling.

Edit your post count Its only 3 pages

phog wrote: »

Meet me in the East terrace Balla end for the Edinburgh game and we can compare what we see/hear when the fans sing it.

Ok so you believe that stand up and fight is sung loudly and with passion from the crowd before each home game.

I was in the east terrace for the leinster game and it wasn't any earth shattering rendition that I heard and prior to perpignan last sunday it appeared to be nothing more than a token effort.

Look we'll have to agree to disagree on this, see I find the atmosphere has been so diluted the last 4 or 5 years that maybe i'm comparing to a time when it was spine tingling to be there for a Heineken Cup game not just a social occasion

phog

Iang87 wrote: »

Edit your post count Its only 3 pages




Ok so you believe that stand up and fight is sung loudly and with passion from the crowd before each home game.

I was in the east terrace for the leinster game and it wasn't any earth shattering rendition that I heard and prior to perpignan last sunday it appeared to be nothing more than a token effort.

Look we'll have to agree to disagree on this, see I find the atmosphere has been so diluted the last 4 or 5 years that maybe i'm comparing to a time when it was spine tingling to be there for a Heineken Cup game not just a social occasion

I really can't recall the song for the Leinster game but there isn't a hope in hell the singing of SUAF last Sunday was only a token effort. I was in the group that was under one of the big flags and it was belted out by everyone in that area. But you seem to be switching your opinion from not being sung to now saying it not's spine tingling.

As I say meet me in the East Terrace Nth anytime for it and we can discuss it in real time.

Iang87

If you want to find my post where I say noone sings it that'd be helpful because I dont believe I said it.

You also need to realise theres more to Thomond Park than East Terrace North and just ebcause the people around you are singing it doesn't mean everyone else is. However you need to be aware that when people in your area are singing it thats all you can here so to you maybe it seems everyone else is but if you're in the south terrace (where I was) where it was at best a token effort then you'd see my point.


I've seen your videos of the song I see you've said that players are qutoed as saying its inspirational and this and that but I have only been there maybe twice where I've heard that song properly sung by the crowd, not people just mumbling the words to themselves but properly belting it out and thats why I dont agree with you with regards to this song

finatron

My rabo ticket is west terrace south it's always sung pretty well there and my h-cup seat is in the west stand north and it was belted out there last Sunday I was impressed with the effort that day as Sunday games can be very quiet.
I'm not a big fan of the song but it is good when belted out .
The crazy lady singing at some games does my head in do .

phog

Iang87 wrote: »

If you want to find my post where I say noone sings it that'd be helpful because I dont believe I said it.

Fair enough if you didn't say the supporters didn't sing it.

You also need to realise theres more to Thomond Park than East Terrace North and just ebcause the people around you are singing it doesn't mean everyone else is. However you need to be aware that when people in your area are singing it thats all you can here so to you maybe it seems everyone else is but if you're in the south terrace (where I was) where it was at best a token effort then you'd see my point.


I've seen your videos of the song I see you've said that players are qutoed as saying its inspirational and this and that but I have only been there maybe twice where I've heard that song properly sung by the crowd, not people just mumbling the words to themselves but properly belting it out and thats why I dont agree with you with regards to this song

If you want to find my videos then that would be helpful because I dont believe I posted any

You disagreed with my post "saying players and supporters love it" and you seem to be coming to that conclusion by how you personally rate how it's delivered/sung/managed. Horse of a different colour.

athtrasna

" until you hear the bell, that final bell, stand up and fight like hell". I don't think anyone can deny that the song is quintessentially Munster after yesterday's show.

thomond2006

phog wrote: »

:-(

That's cryptic!

ludeen

I might get flamed for this, but i always think murphy agus a chairde would
suit , good and lively , and mocking the stereotype [ didalee idle didalee idle.....]
Ludeen.

phog

thomond2006 wrote: »

That's cryptic!

To clarify.

Disappointed with the cheap shot, especially, when it wasn't forum related.

jamiedav2011

phog wrote: »

To clarify.

Disappointed with the cheap shot, especially, when it wasn't forum related.

Cheap shot granted, just find the posters methods of 'supporting' funny.