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Garth Brooks Comeback Special *ALL 5 SHOWS CANCELLED* READ FIRST POST

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    #3422
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    willowthewisp wrote: »
    That's what you think.

    No thats what happened


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    #3423
    Corholio
    Registered Users Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Tilikum wrote: »
    €20m loss for the economy.

    It's grand. Sorted out with this

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/exchequer-takes-in-506m-more-than-expected-635195.html


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    #3424
    secman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭secman


    Tilikum wrote: »
    €20m loss for the economy.

    The people can spend their refunded money anyway, the hotels can drop their prices , Garth will be taking less money out of the country.

    sorted


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    #3425
    A V A
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭A V A


    Rucking_Fetard wrote: »
    Irish Hotels Federation: Garth Brooks situation 'was avoidable'


    My input towards that is my middle finger up on my left hand and two fingers up on my right hand .

    the agreement was 3 shows and they continued to put on a further 5 with garth, so fcuk right off now , tired of this


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    #3426
    Dubliner28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭Dubliner28


    Corholio wrote: »
    It's grand. Sorted out with this

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/exchequer-takes-in-506m-more-than-expected-635195.html

    Thats a Boom moment there


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    #3427
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I have no idea what point your trying to male.
    Think my post is fairly self explanitory (3481).

    Poster asked "why not give them a sweetener". I pointed out that they were offered one (as they always are), but they wanted more.


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    #3428
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,792 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    nm wrote: »
    Whats your point here? You want Croke Park to never host a gig again?
    My point? Yeah if you were dumb enough to put on 3 night's of concerts with an act that wouldn't sell out half a concert, you shouldn't be allowed have gigs.

    What's yours, People complained so we should unleash 20,000 yoked up strangers on them?


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    #3429
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,792 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Think my post is fairly self explanitory (3481).

    Poster asked "why not give them a sweetener". I pointed out that they were offered one (as they always are), but they wanted more.
    A raffle to buy tickets is a sweetener now is it?


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    #3430
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,381 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    flasher0030 wrote: »
    If Brooks cancelled all 5 gigs, where would people's fury be directed at - Brooks himself or GAA/Aikens.
    Or the gardai. It was no secret the concerts were planned so should they not have been vigilante rather than waiting for a complaint to kick them into action.

    This is presuming the claim what they did was illegal was true
    miju wrote: »
    like €500,000 wasn't enough of a sweetener?
    I wondered how this would be dished out to them, where is the cut off line etc.
    Tilikum wrote: »
    €20m loss for the economy.
    A lot of that going to publicans & hotel owners. Where if the claim of it being illegal is true there is a possible fine of €12million. I would rather see this 12m going to the government than €20m to "the economy"


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    #3431
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    My point? Yeah if you were dumb enough to put on 3 night's of concerts with an act that wouldn't sell out half a concert, you shouldn't be allowed have gigs.

    What's yours, People complained so we should unleash 20,000 yoked up strangers on them?

    I'm sure he was joking when he suggested SHM for 3 nights at Croker, not sure if you followed him, you seem a bit confused.


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    #3432
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    rubadub wrote: »
    Or the gardai. It was no secret the concerts were planned so should they not have been vigilante rather than waiting for a complaint to kick them into action.

    This is presuming the claim what they did was illegal was true

    I wondered how this would be dished out to them, where is the cut off line etc.


    A lot of that going to publicans & hotel owners. Where if the claim of it being illegal is true there is a possible fine of €12million. I would rather see this 12m going to the government than €20m to "the economy"

    The hotel owners will probably still get most of theirs, the fine isn't going to help the 140,000 people this has put out.

    Whether Aikens were right or wrong in the first place, this outcome is definitely the possibly worst case scenario for the vast, vast VAST majority of those effected.

    Putting out a huge majority to suit a tiny minority. There should have been a better solution.


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    #3433
    secman
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    nm wrote: »
    The hotel owners will probably still get most of theirs, the fine isn't going to help the 140,000 people this has put out.

    Whether Aikens were right or wrong in the first place, this outcome is definitely the possibly worst case scenario for the vast, vast VAST majority of those effected.

    Putting out a huge majority to suit a tiny minority. There should have been a better solution.
    Lets scrap planning laws.................


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    #3434
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,792 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    nm wrote: »

    Putting out a huge majority to suit a tiny minority. There should have been a better solution.
    Don't announce, promote and sell tickets to an event you don't have a license for?


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    #3435
    JJ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭JJ


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Don't announce, promote and sell tickets to an event you don't have a license for?

    Promoters wouldn't be able to put on any outdoor events in Ireland in that case.


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    #3436
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Don't announce, promote and sell tickets to an event you don't have a license for?

    Bit late for that as a viable solution unless you have a time machine.

    And as has been said a million times already, subject to licence advance ticketing is common practice. It didn't just happen here to annoy the residents of the Croke Park area.

    Maybe that should change going forward, but this was still the worst possible solution for these gigs.


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    #3437
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    I bought two tickets for the Sunday night off two separate people on adverts.ie.

    If they were to cancel all 5 concerts, I wouldn't get any money back I presume?


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    #3438
    EyesClosed
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    Tilikum wrote: »
    I bought two tickets for the Sunday night off two separate people on adverts.ie.

    If they were to cancel all 5 concerts, I wouldn't get any money back I presume?

    Not at all, the sellers would though had they bought them online


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    #3439
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    A raffle to buy tickets is a sweetener now is it?
    Ah hear, you know full well there was an official offer of half a mil to the residents (which was a lot more than previous sweetners).

    From what I hear, the residents said they wanted more, GAA told them no, residents complained to DCC about the gigs, DCC denied planning permission, 2 gigs cancelled.

    Please don't reply with another "What's your point" hynsie, it's getting dull


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    #3440
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    A V A wrote: »
    the agreement was 3 shows and they continued to put on a further 5 with garth, so fcuk right off now , tired of this

    Maybe you should get facts straightened out a little bit better :P:P:P


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    #3441
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Tilikum wrote: »
    I bought two tickets for the Sunday night off two separate people on adverts.ie.

    If they were to cancel all 5 concerts, I wouldn't get any money back I presume?
    Last time a concert offered refunds (Bon Jovi at Slane), the person in possesion of the tickets had to bring them to a ticketmaster outlet to get the refund. So if you have hard copies, you're laughing, if you have e-tickets you have the same risk you had when ya thought the gig was going ahead (that the person selling you has made multiple copies).


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    #3442
    schemingbohemia
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    the hotels are not abroad???? whats your point?

    My point is that people book their holidays in advance, I used a reported example of 90 days, then qualified it by saying it was abroad. Do you think only Irish people book this far in advance or that only Irish people stay in Dublin?

    I'll make it simple for you so that you can understand. With 3 weeks to go to the concerts it will be difficult for the hotel owners to get replacement bookings. Therefore they shouldn't be expected to refund people who booked their hotels on a non-refundable basis.


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    #3443
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    They're not going ahead.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-press-and-news-read-press-release-press-releases-2014/garth-brooks-outdoor-event

    Download the whole Garth Brooks Outdoor Event Decision

    No. 17 on page 4
    No private helicopters for filming purposes.

    No dvd... Its his comeback special.


    I'd be surprised if GB would even go through with it. If they cant capture it from above. ???


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    #3444
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,792 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Ah hear, you know full well there was an official offer of half a mil to the residents (which was a lot more than previous sweetners).

    From what I hear, the residents said they wanted more, GAA told them no, residents complained to DCC about the gigs, DCC denied planning permission, 2 gigs cancelled.

    Please don't reply with another "What's your point" hynsie, it's getting dull

    Not gonna ask what's your point, am gonna ask for some proof since the independent mediator said that the residents never asked for or mentioned compensation? So how high up is the bloke in the pub who told you this?


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    #3445
    Peppa Pig
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Ah hear, you know full well there was an official offer of half a mil to the residents (which was a lot more than previous sweetners).

    From what I hear, the residents said they wanted more, GAA told them no, residents complained to DCC about the gigs, DCC denied planning permission, 2 gigs cancelled.

    Please don't reply with another "What's your point" hynsie, it's getting dull
    The residents complained long before Kieran Mulvey came up with the recommendation of a €500k legacy fund.
    The residents have never asked for any compensation, never mind going to the GAA for "more". The promoter is Aiken anyway.

    You may believe your post, but it's incorrect.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


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    #3446
    rubadub
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    nm wrote: »
    the fine isn't going to help the 140,000 people this has put out.
    It won't help them this time, but in future I would hope promotors think twice about selling tickets, and therefore it will benefit people in future concerts who will hopefully be more confident about buying tickets if there is stricter regulations.
    JJ wrote: »
    Promoters wouldn't be able to put on any outdoor events in Ireland in that case.
    Why is this? Am I missing something which makes it impossible? do you need to have sold tickets before you can apply for a licence or something? Or do you mean they would just find it easier not to.


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    #3447
    Faolchu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    They're not going ahead.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-press-and-news-read-press-release-press-releases-2014/garth-brooks-outdoor-event

    Download the whole Garth Brooks Outdoor Event Decision

    No. 17 on page 4
    No private helicopters for filming purposes.

    No dvd... Its his comeback special.


    I'd be surprised if GB would even go through with it. If they cant capture it from above. ???

    GoPro on a remot control drone.


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    #3448
    dobman88
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    I'm delighted Monday and Tuesday will be cancelled. That will stop all the people who just jumped on the bandwagon going. And all the fans who queued for ages get to see him.


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    #3449
    ManOfMystery
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    dobman88 wrote: »
    I'm delighted Monday and Tuesday will be cancelled. That will stop all the people who just jumped on the bandwagon going. And all the fans who queued for ages get to see him.

    Yes, because we all know the true fans go Fri/Sat/Sun and Mon and Tues are only for pretenders.

    :rolleyes:

    I don't know how someone who's willing to buy tickets at €60+ each is jumping on a bandwagon. And I also don't know how you know that all 'true' fans could make it at the weekend dates, and none are going Mon or Tues.


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    #3450
    Corholio
    Registered Users Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    nm wrote: »
    The hotel owners will probably still get most of theirs, the fine isn't going to help the 140,000 people this has put out.

    Whether Aikens were right or wrong in the first place, this outcome is definitely the possibly worst case scenario for the vast, vast VAST majority of those effected.

    Putting out a huge majority to suit a tiny minority. There should have been a better solution.

    It's not a tiny majority, even though that phrase is used quite a bit.

    The survey Croke Park sent out was to 27,000 households, and while not all of them would be considered in the same way, it's certainly not a tiny minority.


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    #3451
    sydthebeat
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    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    My point is that people book their holidays in advance, I used a reported example of 90 days, then qualified it by saying it was abroad. Do you think only Irish people book this far in advance or that only Irish people stay in Dublin?

    I'll make it simple for you so that you can understand. With 3 weeks to go to the concerts it will be difficult for the hotel owners to get replacement bookings. Therefore they shouldn't be expected to refund people who booked their hotels on a non-refundable basis.

    you used a statistic to describe how irish people book hotels abroad..... completely irrelevent to this argument.

    the hotels have almost 4 weeks to replace these bookings, in july, at the height of the tourist season. If they want to fill the rooms they can offer them at an attractive rate seeing as they will be making super-profits for the three nights beforehand.

    its quite simple... basic economics.

    Im not arguing what the hotels have to do, what they are required to do etc, im arguing what they should do.


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