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Garth Brooks Comeback Special *ALL 5 SHOWS CANCELLED* READ FIRST POST

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    #5762
    Sideshow Mark
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Sideshow Mark


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    Maybe because he has life and is planning a tour. Cannot drop everything and comeback again in three months time.

    If he is in the process of planning a tour, wouldn't now be the ideal time to arrange three dates later in the year?


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    #5763
    sunbabe08
    Registered Users Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭sunbabe08


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    HE screwed you HardLuckWoman, no point in arguing that

    Nope DCC. Screwed us to be honest. And I'm being civil by saying that


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    #5764
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    sunbabe08 wrote: »
    Nope DCC. Screwed us to be honest. And I'm being civil by saying that

    How?


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    #5765
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    sunbabe08 wrote: »
    Nope DCC. Screwed us to be honest. And I'm being civil by saying that

    Na if he wanted to play 3 gigs he could have, simple as


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    #5766
    sunbabe08
    Registered Users Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭sunbabe08


    Sideshow Mark wrote: »
    If he is in the process of planning a tour, wouldn't now be the ideal time to arrange three dates later in the year?

    This was his comeback special. He had a specific stage for this concert, world tour is completely different


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    #5767
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Well now that it's all (seemingly) done and dusted, I have to admit that I'm disgusted by Brooks.

    There's no doubt that the residents come out badly, they kicked up a huge fuss to save themselves 2 nights of hassle regardless of the massive financial boost to Dublin in general. It also seems that there were dirty dealings and numbers artificially boosted in terms of who was objecting.

    The DCC have made an arse of themselves, partly for not investigating the (dubious) objections properly, and partly for making the initial decision to reject 2 of the concerts when they did. If the decision could not be appealed or revised, then a concrete decision should have been made before they set the rejection in stone. Then all this nonsense about offering 4 gigs behind the scenes etc.

    Aiken comes out badly too for assuming that he would get away with the 5 gigs. It seems now that if they were applying now, a way would be found for all 5. So if Aiken had done his job better in the first place and planned for every scenario then we would not be left in a situation where the plug has been pulled.

    But at the end of the day, when do you ever aim that high and get exactly what you want? Brooks should have always been aware that 5 gigs was optimistic. It also makes a liar out of him that the initial plan was 2 nights. 3 was only announced when 2 sold out, 4 and 5 only announced when 3 sold out. So aim for 5 by all means, but if it doesn't work, swallow your pride and do 3. If you're so worried about upsetting your fans, then why make the decision to upset 240,000 on top of the 160,000 who were already upset?

    There are so many ways that the 160,000 could have been accommodated. Give those ticket holders priority access for Irish gigs during the world tour. Set up a viewing party in the Pheonix Park or another big venue etc and let ticket holders in free.

    Is it a financial decision? I'd imagine so. I don't buy the theory that he wouldn't make any money at all from 3 gigs. But even if true, so what? At worse he might not make much/any profit, but it's certainly not going to cost him money. He's busy trying to tell us that he decided to play Ireland for the comeback because he loves us so much, then play three nights for free. Put on a spectacular extravaganza that would make headlines and pump up enormous anticipation for the world tour.

    There simply isn't any logical justification for him to walk away from the 3 concerts other than greed. I know the OTT crew in here (those who are bawling their eyes out and calling the Samaritans) will slate me for this, but it's undeniable. And this is coming from a fan who had tickets, parking and hotel booking in place.


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    #5768
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    Sideshow Mark wrote: »
    If he is in the process of planning a tour, wouldn't now be the ideal time to arrange three dates later in the year?

    Not if he's in the middle of touring the US or Canada. Europe wont see him until next summer, my guess.


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    #5769
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    Maybe because he has life and is planning a tour. Cannot drop everything and comeback again in three months time.

    A good lad for the planning is our Garth.


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    #5770
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    Maybe because he has life and is planning a tour. Cannot drop everything and comeback again in three months time.

    Make no mistake about it HLW Brooks saccharine statement was written by his management (who where playing this all along) because they are lining up the writs as we type.

    The notion that a management company would allow an artist who hasn't done diddly squat in 17 years make arbitary and emotional decisions is nonsense.
    Garth Brooks PLC done you over to get to the big money. Watch this space.


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    #5771
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Well now that it's all (seemingly) done and dusted, I have to admit that I'm disgusted by Brooks.

    There's no doubt that the residents come out badly, they kicked up a huge fuss to save themselves 2 nights of hassle regardless of the massive financial boost to Dublin in general.
    They didn't 'kick up a huge fuss', they did what they have done many times...paid their money and lodged their objections.

    The origin and scale of the forgeries is unknown and could have come from anyone involved. Aiken tried to invoke them to get the decision reversed remember, had that worked they would have been very handy.


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    #5772
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Just delighted this whole thing is over now. It's been blown out of all proportion for far too long with a ridiculous amount of media coverage. No doubt Joe Duffy and co will milk it for another few days, hopefully thats it


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    #5773
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The origin and scale of the forgeries is unknown and could have come from anyone involved.

    If I remember an article correctly one person delivered the large bulk of objections in a box.

    It is this person the Gardai are currently trying to identify


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    #5774
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    miju wrote: »
    If I remember an article correctly one person delivered the large bulk of objections in a box.

    It is this person the Gardai are currently trying to identify

    All came from 'unnamed sources'.
    We'll wait for the actual Gardai to tell us who and the scale.
    They had no affect anyway as the answer back verification process discovered them and weeded them out.


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    #5775
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    They had no affect anyway as the answer back verification process discovered them and weeded them out.

    Errm no just to clarify ELEVEN people contacted the DCC to say they didnt make objections.

    Since then they are very strong indications from Gardai taking statements from all people named in the objection papers that over 180 objections were faked including a prisoner, children and mentally disabled people.


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    #5776
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,381 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Did all these individual objections pay the €20 fee?


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    #5777
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    miju wrote: »
    Errm no just to clarify ELEVEN people contacted the DCC to say they didnt make objections.

    Since then they are very strong indications from Gardai taking statements from all people named in the objection papers that over 180 objections were faked including a prisoner, children and mentally disabled people.

    Eleven is the only confirmed figure we have...and they where taken out.


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    #5778
    calex71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    DCC members being questioned by oireachtas committee on RTé news now channel


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    #5779
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Owen Keegan and Co. are in front of a Dail Committee regarding the former concerts as we speak.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/council-explains-decision-to-deny-garth-brooks-concerts-1.1866824


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    #5780
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    miju wrote: »
    If I remember an article correctly one person delivered the large bulk of objections in a box.

    It is this person the Gardai are currently trying to identify

    They should release the cctv footage on crimecall.


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    #5781
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    They should release the cctv footage on crimecall.

    What about actual crimes?


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    #5782
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    What about actual crimes?

    Forgeries is an actual crime.


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    #5783
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    Forgeries is an actual crime.

    Its a concert that the artist has cancelled, its OVER


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    #5784
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    calex71 wrote: »
    DCC members being questioned by oireachtas committee on RTé news now channel

    thanks

    do you know if the full debate will be uploaded on the RTE player or the oirachtas.ie. I missed the beginning of Owen Keegan's contribution

    I think on the player on oireachtas.ie, that they tend to stream these debates live, but tend not to upload them to enable us to watch them on demand?


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    #5785
    8-10
    Registered Users Posts: 13,357 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Sideshow Mark wrote: »
    And then they offered him 6 and he still said no.

    It was 5 or None! :D


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    #5786
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    Its a concert that the artist has cancelled, its OVER

    It was over on the 3rd of july, but I always said that based on GB's statement and I knew DCC decision couldn't be changed.

    Just because you dont believe forgeries aren't real crimes, dont get into a huff and blame the fans and say its a bloody concert.


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    #5787
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    Well, time to get the DCC, residents, GAA into a room and lock them there to come up with some agreements for the future.

    DCC can't (I'd assume) grant a license 6 months before an event if the residents have the option of objecting a couple of months before it.

    The GAA can't just keep selling concerts and not seem to care about residents or DCC.

    The residents have to agree to something so when concerts are sold they won't be blocked.


    How hard can it be.

    There's an agreement for 3 concerts a year. For those 3 concerts the residents shouldn't be able to block it, so DCC should be able to approve the license a year in advance.

    If more concerts are needed they should get into a room now and work it out now for the future, not one month before the next concert is due to go ahead. I'm sure DCC would love to approve more concert days. GAA and residents need to come up with some kind of fix. I'd say the residents need to get together into one coherent group. Not 10 groups of residents with competing demands. That'll never fix anything.


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    #5788
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    HardLuckWoman wrote: »
    It was over on the 3rd of july, but I always said that based on GB's statement and I knew DCC decision couldn't be changed.

    Just because you dont believe forgeries aren't real crimes, dont get into a huff and blame the fans and say its a bloody concert.

    I had a ticket, and yes it is just a concert. I happen to go to a lot of them. Not the first time one has been cancelled by the artist on me before. But at the end of the day, it's still just a concert, unless of course Garth is in fact the second coming of Christ.
    My point is, there is no reason to bring up anymore concert related stuff on the news/crimewatch etc, when there is much much more important stuff going on.


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    #5789
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    What about actual crimes?

    Just think for a moment exactly how many laws get broken by submitting 180 falsified objections to a statutory body like Dublin City Council and then re-read your post :rolleyes::rolleyes: or are "white collar" and "fraud crimes" not really crimes at all ?????


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    #5790
    [Deleted User]
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    What about actual crimes?



    I don't know about anyone else, but if anybody forged my signature id be pretty bloody pissed. Your signature of intangible importance, not only is it proof of identity but it binds you to legal documents and records your intention.


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    #5791
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    1) they didn't need "planning permission" for any concert.

    2) The "3 gigs a year" agreement has no legitimacy and has nothing to do with DCC and their granting of licences. If the application was for Fri, Sat, Sun and then another 2 Saturday and Sunday gigs the following weekend, they would likely have granted all 5.

    these 5 gigs ultimately failed to happen because of too much disruption to an area over a short space of time.

    They have to apply to the planning authority i.e DCC for permission to hold the concert.
    Lets not get so pedantic, ok?

    http://crokepark.ie/getmedia/409e1110-3ab6-4c80-aaee-9fd3916a4d5e/Licence_Application_Garth_Brooks.pdf


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