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And the racist mayor is back with a bang

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  • #52
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Booomtown wrote: »
    Just heard this nut job mayor Darren Scully is back once again on Niall Boylan (don't ever listen to this show good god my god)

    This is the guy who said he wouldn't represent black Africans because they were aggressive... lost Fine Gael party whip because of it... and now welcomed back with open arms... AND here we go again, looks like he hasn't learned his lesson...




    Ah sure he met one Ugandan person who hates Nigerians so it's fine for him

    And then this beauty:



    Does he think it's somehow better to say discriminate against certain African countries instead of "all" black Africans? Well, a little better I suppose...

    Worst thing is people will agree with this clown

    Full article: http://universitytimes.ie/?p=22653

    I think he is right in what he said. His statement was based on his personal experiences and if he felt that a certain demographic were being rude, obnoxious and boisterous then he is entitled to tell this people to take a hike


  • #53
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Ireland has progressed so much but man, the level of ignorance is still outstanding. Always displayed in threads like these.
    camel jockey wrote: »
    These lads are welcome to head back home any time they feel like it...
    There are some people here not out of choice but necessity. You can't assume their backstory.

    We pretend to welcome everyone with open arms in this country. Some however, are more welcome than others...


  • #54
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Ireland has progressed so much but man, the level of ignorance is still outstanding. Always displayed in threads like these.


    There are some people here not out of choice but necessity. You can't assume their backstory.

    We pretend to welcome everyone with open arms in this country. Some however, are more welcome than others...
    I welcome anyone who is polite, courteous and wants to integrate into the community. I don't welcome loud mouthed pushy uneducated rude I'll mannered people.


  • #55
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Ireland has progressed so much but man, the level of ignorance is still outstanding. Always displayed in threads like these.


    There are some people here not out of choice but necessity. You can't assume their backstory.

    We pretend to welcome everyone with open arms in this country. Some however, are more welcome than others...

    Necessity? The vast majority from the country in question are here for purely economic reasons, and got to stay because of rules around children, despite having bogus asylum applications rejected.


  • #56
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    camel jockey wrote: »
    Necessity? The vast majority from the country in question are here for purely economic reasons, and got to stay because of rules around children, despite having bogus asylum applications rejected.

    What? Can you give us some evidence please for this claim that people are staying here even though their bogus asylum applications are rejected?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #57
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    ted1 wrote: »
    I welcome anyone who is polite, courteous and wants to integrate into the community. I don't welcome loud mouthed pushy uneducated rude I'll mannered people.

    So you have a big problem with americans:D


  • #58
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What? Can you give us some evidence please for this claim that people are staying here even though their bogus asylum applications are rejected?

    :rolleyes:

    Read all about it here: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/leave_to_remain.html


  • #59
    rugbyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Mango, you asked camel jockey for evidence,
    I note you are a moderator, and also I dont know if you disbelieve camel j. Or you would like other s on here to have evidence available on screen.
    I dont know how to show links but I do know that out of the first 5000 asylum seeker applications from Nigerian people that only TWO were approved.
    I have no way of knowing how many of those refused left this country, but I think few did.
    At the start of the great arrivals of asylum seekers, of various nationalities, children born here were deemed Irish.We voted to change that since. afaik the parents of the Irish children are entitled to stay until the children are 18.
    Regards


  • #60
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    camel jockey wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Read all about it here: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/leave_to_remain.html

    How many applications for leave to remain have been granted?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #61
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    mango salsa wrote: »
    How many applications for leave to remain have been granted?

    Bing it. Knock yourself out. Prove me wrong.


  • #62
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    camel jockey wrote: »
    Bing it. Knock yourself out. Prove me wrong.
    OK so. You can't stand over what you said above. There is no evidence to back it up. That's fine.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #63
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Mango, you asked camel jockey for evidence,
    I note you are a moderator, and also I dont know if you disbelieve camel j. Or you would like other s on here to have evidence available on screen.
    I dont know how to show links but I do know that out of the first 5000 asylum seeker applications from Nigerian people that only TWO were approved.
    I have no way of knowing how many of those refused left this country, but I think few did.
    At the start of the great arrivals of asylum seekers, of various nationalities, children born here were deemed Irish.We voted to change that since. afaik the parents of the Irish children are entitled to stay until the children are 18.
    Regards

    No. I don't believe it. There is no evidence at all. You have even admitted that.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #64
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    mango salsa wrote: »
    OK so. You can't stand over what you said above. There is no evidence to back it up. That's fine.

    I'm out. You can't prove me wrong, I'm not interested in going into a loop.


  • #65
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    camel jockey wrote: »
    I'm out. You can't prove me wrong, I'm not interested in going into a loop.
    That's absolutely fine. I accept there is no evidence that backs up what you said.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #66
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    camel jockey wrote: »
    I'm out. You can't prove me wrong, I'm not interested in going into a loop.

    You didn't get the memo. Blatant, pointless fingers in ears trolling is only allowed from a select group of regulars at the PC end.


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  • #67
    Henlars67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    While what he said is obviously unacceptable, the good people of Naas will decide next year whether or not he is fit to continue as an elected public official following his comments, not a few people on an anonymous public message board.

    I wouldn't vote for him, but if he gets enough votes to elect him then the people of his electoral area will have deemed him a suitable public representative, regardless of what he has said.

    That's how democracy works, and while it's a long way from perfect it's still the best show in town. There is no better alternative.


  • #68
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    camel jockey wrote: »
    Necessity? The vast majority from the country in question are here for purely economic reasons, and got to stay because of rules around children, despite having bogus asylum applications rejected.
    "You can't assume their backstory", but anyway, do you despise people you know who go to the likes of America and Australia for a better life?

    Edit; Actually, on seeing your previous posts, don't answer that. I don't think it's worth going into an argument over.


  • #69
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Henlars67 wrote: »
    While what he said is obviously unacceptable, the good people of Naas will decide next year whether or not he is fit to continue as an elected public official following his comments, not a few people on an anonymous public message board.

    I wouldn't vote for him, but if he gets enough votes to elect him then the people of his electoral area will have deemed him a suitable public representative, regardless of what he has said.

    That's how democracy works, and while it's a long way from perfect it's still the best show in town. There is no better alternative.

    This is it, let the people decide. While I personally doubt he'd be much of a loss to politics if he called it a day, that is for those he aspires to represent to decide.

    He certainly shouldn't have been subjected to a criminal investigation. His comments were ill-judged, clumsy and ignorant but hardly hitlerite. Nigerians weren't suddenly lynched on the streets of Naas over Scully's remaks.

    A massive fuss over nothing.
    An opportunity for competitive outrage.


  • #70
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Mango, you asked camel jockey for evidence,
    I note you are a moderator, and also I dont know if you disbelieve camel j. Or you would like other s on here to have evidence available on screen.
    I dont know how to show links but I do know that out of the first 5000 asylum seeker applications from Nigerian people that only TWO were approved.
    I have no way of knowing how many of those refused left this country, but I think few did.
    At the start of the great arrivals of asylum seekers, of various nationalities, children born here were deemed Irish.We voted to change that since. afaik the parents of the Irish children are entitled to stay until the children are 18.
    Regards


    You could have typed "I've no evidence either" and made the same point....
    camel jockey wrote:
    Bing it. Knock yourself out. Prove me wrong.

    You made a claim, its for you to prove it. That's how it works.


  • #71
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    camel jockey wrote: »
    I'm out. You can't prove me wrong, I'm not interested in going into a loop.

    Afraid the burden of proof is on you


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  • #72
    Encrustment
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 179 ✭✭Encrustment


    It is true that other Africans hate Nigerians.


  • #73
    bootybouncer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 495 ✭✭bootybouncer


    Encrustment wrote: »
    It is true that other Africans hate Nigerians.

    tis ........................cameroon lads and somalian lads etc ...............................much like dubs and culchies


  • #74
    The Rad Runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭The Rad Runner


    Encrustment wrote: »
    It is true that other Africans hate Nigerians.

    I'd say it's more of a "Cavan man" thing than actually hate. You can't generalize about a whole country, or even Cavan for that matter :)


  • #75
    rugbyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    mango salsa wrote: »
    No. I don't believe it. There is no evidence at all. You have even admitted that.

    Mango, could I trouble you to elaborate
    A what , in this case , do you not believe?
    Of what is there no evidence?
    I " admitted"?, said that I had no idea how many , if any , of the 4, 998rejected applicants left this country.
    I dont understand what you are talking about, would you like me to "prove" the 4998 figure, or pls explain what you do not understand about what I wrote..
    Thanks in advance,
    ?...


  • #76
    rugbyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What? Can you give us some evidence please for this claim that people are staying here even though their bogus asylum applications are rejected?

    Mango, could I assume from your request that you disbelieve camel jockeys comment, I. E. you believe that most asylum seekers who are turned down, leave this country.
    Regards, Rugbyman


  • #77
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Mango, could I trouble you to elaborate
    A what , in this case , do you not believe?
    Of what is there no evidence?
    Basically, that the statement seems to be merely riding on speculation, prejudice and not fact. Or at least it seems to be that way with no backing.


  • #78
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    camel jockey wrote: »
    The vast majority from the country in question are here for purely economic reasons, and got to stay because of rules around children, despite having bogus asylum applications rejected.

    For clarity. I don't believe this statement.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #79
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Am I the only one who thinks the title "Rasicst Mayor" is a huge bit excessive a defamatory???


  • #80
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks the title "Rasicst Mayor" is a huge bit excessive a defamatory???
    What wasn't racist about what he said?


  • #81
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    What wasn't racist about what he said?

    Well that doesnt answer my question but does show me that this thread is only heading one way so meh. Lets just label the poor man "racist" dont think descenting opinions allowed. Learned enough about AH to know a lost cause


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  • #82
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks the title "Rasicst Mayor" is a huge bit excessive a defamatory???


    I'd say you wouldn't need a big hall for the conference, I'd put it that way.


  • #83
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd say you wouldn't need a big hall for the conference, I'd put it that way.

    Indeed reading back the last few pages I realise it was a daft Q!!! I just find it all a bit too PC-brigadey


  • #84
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Indeed reading back the last few pages I realise it was a daft Q!!! I just find it all a bit too PC-brigadey


    Let me put it to you this way - What would you think if it was a DUP Mayor referring to Nationalists?


  • #85
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Indeed reading back the last few pages I realise it was a daft Q!!! I just find it all a bit too PC-brigadey
    There is no PC Brigade here anyway. Just a group of people who have respect for their fellow person. I think Irish people have become accustomed to dismissing racism because of strong knee-jerk reactions and even of the term 'PC Brigade, but what the guy said was textbook racism. I think it's only fair to call people out on it. It's a nasty thing to ever have to experience, I don't think some people on the thread are aware of that. Lots of little terms floating through the thread that dehumanise whole groups of people and make them sound like an annoying existence in the country, which I do think is shocking to be honest.


  • #86
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    So if I disagree with Racism I'm in the PC Brigade??? Are there sexy firemen?

    His comments are racist, he is racist.


  • #87
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    efb wrote: »
    So if I disagree with Racism I'm in the PC Brigade??? Are there sexy firemen?

    His comments are racist, he is racist.

    No disagreeing with racism is expected. I merely think classifying his comments as racist are too PC. Dont mix my words around thank you very much.


  • #88
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    No disagreeing with racism is expected. I merely think classifying his comments as racist are too PC. Dont mix my words around thank you very much.

    His comments are racist. There is no question about that.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #89
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    mango salsa wrote: »
    His comments are racist. There is no question about that.

    And so are his actions. A good fit for Fine Gael though.


  • #90
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    No disagreeing with racism is expected. I merely think classifying his comments as racist are too PC. Dont mix my words around thank you very much.
    Not trying to sound snooty but;

    racism - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    "This is the guy who said he wouldn't represent black Africans because they were aggressive..."

    It is a textbook example. All Africans are aggressive brutes, etc etc.


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  • #91
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    I think accusations of "PC Brigade" are an easy out for people trying to defend the indefensible .


  • #92
    nlgbbbblth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    No disagreeing with racism is expected. I merely think classifying his comments as racist are too PC. Dont mix my words around thank you very much.

    How would you classify his comments?

    They're either

    1) Racist
    or
    2) Not racist

    Political correctness has nothing to do with it.


  • #93
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    He very well could have encountered rudeness and aggression from a lot of African people; even so, there are some things you do not say as a public official, because they will polarise and inflame no matter what.

    Africa is a massive place - he could at least have narrowed things down a bit, rather than causing all African people in the town offence. And then saying he just wouldn't represent African people, effectively blaming all Africans for the behaviour of some, was just a no-no.

    He may not even be a racist, just a dope. But it's cut and dry - he was wrong to say what he said to the public, in the capacity of public official.


  • #94
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    He very well could have encountered rudeness and aggression from a lot of African people; even so, there are some things you do not say as a public official, because they will polarise and inflame no matter what.

    Africa is a massive place - he could at least have narrowed things down a bit, rather than causing all African people in the town offence. And then saying he just wouldn't represent African people, effectively blaming all Africans for the behaviour of some, was just a no-no.

    He may not even be a racist, just a dope. But it's cut and dry - he was wrong to say what he said to the public, in the capacity of public official.

    All BLACK Africans

    I don't think he was just wrong in what he said. He is wrong in his actions too.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #95
    Friend Computer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Friend Computer


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Well that doesnt answer my question but does show me that this thread is only heading one way so meh. Lets just label the poor man "racist" dont think descenting opinions allowed. Learned enough about AH to know a lost cause

    "Allowed"?

    You're "allowed" say what you want within the rules and everyone else is just as free to do the same. If you can't hack people disagreeing--disagreeing, not stopping you from saying what you're saying, keep that in mind--with you then that's your problem.


  • #96
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Would Sub Saharan Scroungers be acceptable?

    Banned

    Why do people even bother starting threads involving racial issues. People are not free to speak their minds, so the PC crowd just end up yapping self righteously away to themselves.


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  • #97
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    I think accusations of "PC Brigade" are an easy out for people trying to defend the indefensible .

    Ya, but it's hard to reply when you're banned, see? ;)


  • #98
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Ya, but it's hard to reply when you're banned, see? ;)
    What? Loads of posters are going on and on and on and on about pc brigade and they haven't been banned.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #99
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    No disagreeing with racism is expected. I merely think classifying his comments as racist are too PC. Dont mix my words around thank you very much.

    Lostfan I'm lost as to why you think it isn't racist :confused:

    I'm more Mac than PC tbf... :D


  • #100
    Amazingfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What? Loads of posters are going on and on and on and on about pc brigade and they haven't been banned.

    Because they know there are "PC lines" one must not cross lest they too be banned, as some others have already been.

    Point is, why bother with the facade of an equal playing field on this subject here. It simply doesn't exist.


  • #101
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Why do people even bother starting threads involving racial issues. People are not free to speak their minds
    Yes they are, so long as they don't say stupid crap like "Sub Saharan scroungers". How that is a problem is beyond me, then again I'm not into saying sh1tty things about entire races.


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