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New Youtube policy forces A LOT of game play related videos to go away
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dreamers75 wrote: »Lads its a game about Mario fcuking Tiger Uppercutting Zelda.
And i'm happy for it to not have a story. But don't user a bull**** excuse like the one he did.
Just say exactly what you said, and pretty much everyone will agree
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One by one...senordingdong wrote: »So does this mean that say...any achievement guide videos will be taken down now?
No, not any more than they currently do.
What it does mean is that right now they will be copyright IDed and ad revenue will be generated on them for whoever holds the copyright claim (not necessarily the dev or publisher, btw. To be discussed below).
In the future if you're partnered you're going to have to go through a painful authorisation process for some of your vids which may prevent them from being seen- or monetised- for 2 days.
I really want to stress that this is not just basic lets players affected, some people put tonnes of genuine transformative work into videos and they are just as boned as anyone.
Also to point out partnering does a lot more than just cash. It really helps out and it's boning the little guy to freeze them out like this.SeantheMan wrote: »Does this mean no more PewdiePie ?
I see paradox interactive put out a legal document as a legal disclaimer so no 'Let's play' of their games will be removed.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?671169-Monetizing-from-Youtube-videos-containing-Paradox-Interactive-material
In reality this is not working- one guy I know actually got paid by a company to produce a series for them based on a property and some of those videos got claimed. This isn't working at all, but it rather seems Youtube don't care.jaykhunter wrote: »I'm a bit suspicious of blaming YouTube for this. I imagine every video get scanned and the findings get put into a audio/video algorithm so they can retroactively do something...but copyright holders have to upload reference files to match against. YouTube copyright school also says it's up to the copyright holders what they want to do about matched content - monetise it, block it, or leave it be. Surely these games publishers, if they really didn't want to take youtubers' revenue away, would just set it to 'leave it be', or delete reference files etc. I don't think everyone's playing as nice as Paradox as seen above.
I can't explain the new, obviously-BS copyright claims (like videogame vids getting matches by "Elo Movies") though.
I can explain them, they've been there years, Youtube just stupidly gave them more power.
These copyright scrapes were always in place but in the past usually Youtube didn't automatically act on them. for example, ubisoft were taking down Assassin's Creed revelations footage on day one, but haven't since.Robert ninja wrote: »I wonder if we'll see flipped image game play and cut scenes in games from now on like you come across with pirated movies on YT lot. Apparently it avoids detection from the bots. Maybe even the hyper speed sponge bob episodes, that also bypasses the bots although wouldn't be viable for gaming.
Probably. I personally have virtually no content ID claims yet and I don't know why. I think xsplit might be helping me beat the system, accidentally.Dravokivich wrote: »It's not about that though. It's the territorial restrictions for licensing broadcasts that Darko is referring to.
Netflix doesn't do user submitted content either, so I don't see why this whole thing has become such a big discussion point.
You aren't listening. That's how they choose to do things now. All they HAVE to do is work under US law for games and put a DMCA proceedure in place. That's all.ShadowHearth wrote: »Aye, I read that too. Looks like the main way to shut down videos is audio content. Then on top of that there are random fake shutdowns by random companies, which have feck all to do with gaming.
As you said a lot of publishers are on board with Youtube gaming content. Looks like youtube getting again ****ed by Music and movie industry, so then Youtube ****ing everyone after.
I can also say for a fact it's not exclusively music, it's also cutscenes. There's scrapes were probably in place from when the games were new but the companies weren't acting on them. Youtube seem to have taken the choice out of their hands.
Again this is from someone who makes a lot of gaming content for youtube, keeps up with others that do and spends a lot of time reading up on it too. There's mad speculation going on in this thread 0 -
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I'm not sure if this has been posted.
As a side note: It does make you wonder YouTube is shorthand for videoviewing like Google has become a "verb" for using the internet. Both are synnomous with their respective functions to the whole friggin planet (unlike facebook imo). Hard to believe a day will day come (if ever) when they're not around.
Yesterday's heroes and politicans are tomorrows villians. :rolleyes:
I've never seen him quite this livid, I've always found more hilarious/insightful than anything, could you imagine his shock at all his hard work being thrown overboard! Its real sad.
Makes you wonder if we'll look back at the last 7-8 years as a time when you could these hobbies and show them off to the world, be an amaeteur, have an idea, see it grow, really beautiful, inspiring, cool.
The dream is dead, looks like these dudes are gonna have to find real jobs soon.
I don't mean that in a snarky way either. It must feel terrible to have created a steady source of income over the years, alter your life to focus solely on that, and then have it taken away without warning.
It's like we're witnessing a mass layoff.
Although they weren't necessarily making anything of productive, real economic value.0 -
Excellent discussion from last night on the issues(if you have 1hr30m to spare)
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Adamantium wrote: »I'm not sure if this has been posted.
As a side note: It does make you wonder YouTube is shorthand for videoviewing like Google has become a "verb" for using the internet. Both are synnomous with their respective functions to the whole friggin planet (unlike facebook imo). Hard to believe a day will day come (if ever) when they're not around.
Yesterday's heroes and politicans are tomorrows villians. :rolleyes:
I've never seen him quite this livid, I've always found more hilarious/insightful than anything, could you imagine his shock at all his hard work being thrown overboard! Its real sad.
Makes you wonder if we'll look back at the last 7-8 years as a time when you could these hobbies and show them off to the world, be an amaeteur, have an idea, see it grow, really beautiful, inspiring, cool.
The dream is dead, looks like these dudes are gonna have to find real jobs soon. I don't mean that in a snarky way either. It must feel terrible to have created a steady source of income over the years, alter your life to focus solely on that, and then have it taken away without warning.
It's like we're witnessing a mass layoff.
Although they weren't necessarily making anything of productive, real economic value.
Well played youtube. This highlights how hard it is to monitor everything uploaded. They also host trailers for the very people sueing them and expecting them to find and pull every illegal upload.
I would like to know how much money angry joe makes from this.0 -
Adamantium wrote: »I'm not sure if this has been posted.
As a side note: It does make you wonder YouTube is shorthand for videoviewing like Google has become a "verb" for using the internet. Both are synnomous with their respective functions to the whole friggin planet (unlike facebook imo). Hard to believe a day will day come (if ever) when they're not around.
Yesterday's heroes and politicans are tomorrows villians. :rolleyes:
I've never seen him quite this livid, I've always found more hilarious/insightful than anything, could you imagine his shock at all his hard work being thrown overboard! Its real sad.
Makes you wonder if we'll look back at the last 7-8 years as a time when you could these hobbies and show them off to the world, be an amaeteur, have an idea, see it grow, really beautiful, inspiring, cool.
The dream is dead, looks like these dudes are gonna have to find real jobs soon. I don't mean that in a snarky way either. It must feel terrible to have created a steady source of income over the years, alter your life to focus solely on that, and then have it taken away without warning.
It's like we're witnessing a mass layoff.
Although they weren't necessarily making anything of productive, real economic value.
Any rule that means less of that Angry Joe idiot is good in my book.
Despite him using the Youtube's network, their hosting, their technology, their staff, their infrastructure all for FREE. He has the idiotic notion that they are profiting from his hard work, not the other way around.
If he is so confident that he has built his empire and YouTube are holding him back and stopping him from making a living he is free to go and set up his own site, host his own videos, host his own ads and keep 100% of the revenue.
The simple fact is You Tube is too big and hosts too many videos to be able to monitor it themselves, especially when the people who upload things lie about having the rights to do so.
To have a video removed you have to have claimed to own the rights to the material 3 times. First when you upload it (it asks do you own this?) then when you monetize it( It again asks are you sure you own this?) Then when the automated system picks up some content you don't own it flags it, you then have to go a third time and say that you own it or have the rights to use it. If you have the rights to use it youtube unlocks it again.
It's not ideal but that is the price you pay for using someone else's service.0 -
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