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Getting a second dog.

  • 11-12-2013 2:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭


    Hi all,
    I'm looking for a bit of advice and I hope the good people in here can steer me in the right direction!

    Myself and the missus have a 2 year old male bichon and are considering getting a second bichon to keep him company.
    We're only at the thinking about it stage at the minute but if we do decide to do it, we'd like to do it right.

    Basically the main questions I have are:

    Should we get another male or a female? (Ours is neutered so no worry of extra unexpected puppies!)

    What age dog would be best to get? Should it be a pup?

    Is our dog the right age to introduce a new dog?

    And is there anything else I need to know such as what are the best steps to take to introduce a new dog to ours.

    Sorry for all the questions but I wanna do it right, and any help is appreciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Thread hijack in progress!!!

    I'm in the very same boat! Just got word off our breeder - pups due - and like you OP, our fella is male, over 2 and a half and is neutered.

    I must dig out the thread where I asked the same question as I'm torn between a dog and a bitch...

    Back soon...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Annnnd I'm back...

    Try this link (I'm on my phone)

    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056889721/1/#post83399353


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    I have a 4 year old neutered male and added a female puppy in July. At first he wanted nothing to do with her - especially after she tried to get milk off him lol! :p It stayed that way for a week or so - he lost sight of her one day in the garden when we were playing with him and went bananas when he saw her again with zoomies and then started to play with her. After that there was more play and less growling pretty much until she learnt not to jump all over him. He'll share the couch/my bed/back of the car with her now but they're not at the cuddling up together stage yet which I hope will happen at some stage but no big deal if it doesn't. He's extremely patient with her and they have a good play session every day - sometimes to our annoyance when we're trying to watch TV lol :p She's never play bitten us - she has him for that and he's taught her well. She's also pretty polite around other dogs because he's taught her rushing in is not acceptable. She robs everything he has - even if she has the exact same thing she wants his but again he's patient with her so there's never been any snapping etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭mymo


    My fella was 11 months and had some training done, walking nicely on lead, house trained, sit, stay, etc.

    I wanted to get another dog to keep him company (he suffered with separation anxiety) and waited until he had grown up a bit, then went for a female a bit smaller breed than him, and 8 weeks old.

    He kept trying to run away from her for about half an hour, but they ended up curled up together in a couple of hours.
    Not had a problem since, they love each other and he's fine being left with her since day one. She learned house training by following him, learned sit and walked on lead beside him.

    Best thing I ever did.
    I don't think the sex matters as much as the personality, she was very playful, but not as hyper as him, but she is definitely the boss.

    Here's a pic from that first day, that's the puppy bed they are both in...
    Therewere2inthebed.jpg


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,770 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    mymo wrote: »

    Here's a pic from that first day, that's the puppy bed they are both in...

    Mymo banned for posting outrageously cute photograph




    :P
    Ah no, just kidding :D

    OP, I'd always be inclined to go for a female where the resident dog is a male, and vice versa, simply because this combination is by far the most successful. That's not to say that two males or two females won't work, but it is a significantly greater risk.
    Whether to get a pup or not is difficult to say! Pups can mither adult dogs, but are generally accepted by them after the initial horror of a small, impolite, sharp-toothed, sharp-clawed tearaway coming into the home. Many adult dogs can act quite frightened of pups, whilst others are simply delighted with the new plaything! There's a good chance that if pup is too relentless with your dog that you'll need to intervene form time to time... but that's okay, that's what being a doggy parent is all about :p
    An adult dog in some ways can be easier to merge with a resident adult, but in other ways it can be more difficult. Easier because they tend to get on with things, and sort things out between themselves reasonably quickly. More difficult because there is a high chance of some "handbags at dawn" incidents in the first few days... and this is where having one male and one female becomes important, because although they may squabble, opposite-sex pairings rarely hurt each other.
    If you go for an adult (and Bichons come into rescue quite regularly), try to match her playing style with your fella's: if he's a chaser and not a wrestler, then study herself's style to make sure she's a chaser and not a wrestler too. If he is mental about certain toys, it might be no harm to choose a new dog who's not as switched on to toys, just so that they're not competing over them.
    That all said, Bichons are not particularly known for being "dog hot", they tend to be quite sociable and companionable with other dogs.
    Good luck with whatever you decide to do, but I think it's fair to say that once you have a pair of dogs settled with one another, it's half the work of having one!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Thanks for the advice folks.
    I was thinking of going for a female puppy. My dog is a bit of a headcase but he's brilliant with other dogs. He just wants to play constantly. He's 2, but he still acts like he's a couple of months old.
    I think it'd be great to get him a friend to keep him company and play with.

    As I said, we're still only thinking about it right now. Well, she's thinking about it. If it was up to me I'd get one tomorrow!
    We're moving house soon so I think we'll wait till then rather than trying to settle a new pup and then up-rooting them.

    I'll post back here when we make a decision and keep you updated. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Play lessons lol! I love showing these to non dog owners to see the shock reaction lol! (On the ipad so can't resize/embed)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hooked


    tk123 wrote: »
    Play lessons lol! I love showing these to non dog owners to see the shock reaction lol! (On the ipad so can't resize/embed)

    That third pic!!! A leap for the jugular...
    Class.

    DBB - care to give me a bit more food for thought on a male/male set up. It looks like we'll have a choice but we're both leaning towards adding Hugos half brother as opposed to half sister to our pack... Hugo is neutered and I'd get either new addition done when the time is right.

    Just having a hard time deciding - any advice appreciated... I know no-one can say for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Hooked wrote: »
    That third pic!!! A leap for the jugular...
    Class.

    DBB - care to give me a bit more food for thought on a male/male set up. It looks like we'll have a choice but we're both leaning towards adding Hugos half brother as opposed to half sister to our pack... Hugo is neutered and I'd get either new addition done when the time is right.

    Just having a hard time deciding - any advice appreciated... I know no-one can say for sure.

    I went for female because I thought an intact adolescent male (I wouldn't neuter/spay until they're mature to try and prevent joint issues) would possibly push the older dog around and try to take over so they could end up fighting etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    tk123 wrote: »
    Play lessons lol! I love showing these to non dog owners to see the shock reaction lol! (On the ipad so can't resize/embed)

    Ha I have the same thing going on at the moment - truth is my 3 yr old is much gentler than the puppy!

    OP I can't reccommend having two dogs enough although my first pair came together and were siblings they were great pals too. I introduced a third into the mix 3 years ago a female pup and it took a little while for the two females to settled but they became firm friends until my eldest girl died. Now again I have recently introduced a male pup so the boys have the majority, and my 3 yr old girl nervous at first has got a little pal that keeps her busy - my other dog is 15 and has bad hips so he just wants a quiet life. A big part of me can't wait until the pup grows up so I can see the two of them enjoying cavorting around on long walks and for them to be equal sparring partners!!


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,770 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    tk123 wrote: »
    Play lessons lol! I love showing these to non dog owners to see the shock reaction lol! (On the ipad so can't resize/embed)

    You see what Bailey did wrong there, don't you?
    *takes tip from German tourists*
    He didn't put his towel on that sun lounger at 6am to mark it as his :D
    Hooked wrote: »
    DBB - care to give me a bit more food for thought on a male/male set up. It looks like we'll have a choice but we're both leaning towards adding Hugos half brother as opposed to half sister to our pack... Hugo is neutered and I'd get either new addition done when the time is right.

    It is a tough enough decision, particularly when you're dealing with breeds that don't tend to be quarrelsome with other dogs. For example, I'd feel a lot stronger about placing two same-sex terriers together than I would about placing two same-sex Beagles together... the former are "genetically" independent, lone workers, the latter are a traditional pack breed and more sociable as a result... generally.
    Huskies, to me at least, fall into the sociable category too, as long as they've been properly socialised etc, so they're less of a risk to pair up into same-sex pairings.
    The problem is, if it's going to go wrong, you're not going to know it until your new pup reaches the 7-8ish month mark, when he becomes sexually mature. However, with a female pup, the chances of strife between them is a LOT less, for any breed.
    For me, I'm not particularly into throwing a dice and hoping for the best on these things.. keeping two same-sex dogs together is a bigger risk (and I am specifically referring to a two-dog household here, not a multi-dog household) that I, personally, would rather not take because the stakes are too high. If things go wrong in a few months' time, it can be very difficult to fix things.
    Does that help at all? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Cheers DBB! I'd rather err on the side of caution. Hugo is great socially with other males, but a half hours playing on neutral ground ain't exactly 10-12 years together in his home.

    I guess I'm just gonna have to get over the slighter size of a female and not risk a perfectly behaved Hugo - with another sexually mature male - and open up (an avoidable) can of worms in the latter half of 2014.

    I know this is pushing the term 'forward planning' a tad - what's your opinion on the best time to neuter a bitch?

    Nighty night all...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Hooked wrote: »
    I know this is pushing the term 'forward planning' a tad - what's your opinion on the best time to neuter a bitch?

    I had decided to let her have one heat and basically let her grow before getting her spayed and when I took her for her 6 month check up a couple of weeks ago the vet was pleased because that's what she was going to recommend. Her dad is more of an English GR so cream and chunky - at 6 months her legs are as thick as Bailey's so she has a bit of growing to do yet. There's tons or articles for and against waiting online but breed specific forums helped me decide too because 99% recommended waiting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hooked


    So, what age, roughly speaking... Is the first heat. And how long after is 'recommended' as you say? I know I could google all this - better to ask a real person with real experience...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    It depends on the dog but for goldens usually any time from 6 months and then you need to wait until 2 months after the heat to get the dog spayed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭moving_home


    I'm interested in this too! I'm torn...we have a 3.5 year old cocker. She's very closely bonded to me and hubby and doesn't have much interest in other dogs apart from my mam's lab who is 8 months older. At the moment our dog is very well trained, can bring her anywhere with us and is generally very manageable! Sometimes I think the company would be good and then other times I think she's so easy to manage and we have a great setup with her at the moment. When we go away my mam minds her but says she won't mind two. Also we bring her away with us for weekends at the moment (camping etc) which I'm not sure would be as easy with two.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    My dog is 13, would it be a bit unkind to get a pup?

    Golden retriever btw, perfectly healthy and happy besides some arthritis in her hips (she's grand and mobile, just a bit slower)

    My own opinion is that it would be a bit unkind and it would upset her, she doesn't really like small dogs, especially hyper ones


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭lovelyjubbly


    As you can see from the first pic Lois was not very impressed the first night she saw Bert. She was very jealous and it took months for them both to settle. Lois had individual attention as our first dog but Bert did not and when I copped this I made sure to do things with Bert on his own so we could get used to each other without Lois taking my attention away.

    Just over a year later they are the best of buds! (Pic 2)


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