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IAMAMORON

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Never known PP to be bog on multiples in shop. Not sure about online.

Paddy Power are BOG online only. I don't understand why they don't in the shops. They will also update your cash out value to the BOG price if it lands at bigger odds, which is helpful.

Andrew00

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Paddy Power are BOG online only. I don't understand why they don't in the shops. They will also update your cash out value to the BOG price if it lands at bigger odds, which is helpful.

They’re BOG in shops on singles

droidman123

Now and again they have bog on multiples in the shops,usually runs for a few weeks or so

NaiveMelodies

Kevin Blake has had his say on the draconian Cocaine bans with some interesting comparisons.

Mostly Harmless

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Kevin Blake has had his say on the draconian Cocaine bans with some interesting comparisons.

Must be a drug user himself to arrive at such liberal opinions

BumperD

There are a couple of ghiant holes in his opinion piece, the most obvious of which is the comparison with alcohol. He ignores the fact that possession of cocaine, at least when I last checked, is a serious criminal offense, and consuming it feeds the ruthless drugs gangs in Ireland and elsewhere.

He also suggests the effects of taking cocaine are short lasting. Really.

Mostly Harmless

"It should be stated at this point that this argument does not intend to trivialise cocaine use. Cocaine is an ever-growing scourge on society that serves to enrich criminals at the cost of public health and wellbeing."

Effects of cocaine are relatively short lasting, yes.

BumperD

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Must be a drug user himself to arrive at such liberal opinions

Just flawed opinions. I’m taking by your comment you have some insecurities.:)

Mostly Harmless

Not getting into this (again), as have better stuff to be at.

Slattsy

BumperD wrote: »

There are a couple of ghiant holes in his opinion piece, the most obvious of which is the comparison with alcohol. He ignores the fact that possession of cocaine, at least when I last checked, is a serious criminal offense, and consuming it feeds the ruthless drugs gangs in Ireland and elsewhere.

He also suggests the effects of taking cocaine are short lasting. Really.

Didn't read it. But if that's the synopsis then I hope O'Brien, ATR, and ITV sack him and he never works in racing again.

NaiveMelodies

BumperD wrote: »

There are a couple of ghiant holes in his opinion piece, the most obvious of which is the comparison with alcohol. He ignores the fact that possession of cocaine, at least when I last checked, is a serious criminal offense, and consuming it feeds the ruthless drugs gangs in Ireland and elsewhere.

He mentions the effect cocaine has on society and references the gangs. Not the easiest read but it's in there.

It is a bit of a joke though, 10 days for actually being impaired in an extremely dangerous environment where concentration is paramount.

Do you not agree that a better deterrent would be increased testing?

Slattsy

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Not getting into this (again), as have better stuff to be at.

Like cocaine!!?? Haha

NaiveMelodies

Slattsy wrote: »

Didn't read it. But if that's the synopsis then I hope O'Brien, ATR, and ITV sack him and he never works in racing again.

It's not the synopsis at all.

BumperD will agree when the red mist lifts

Mostly Harmless

Point was that the alcohol threshold is set so that jocks are potentially riding while still impaired to some degree and cocaine threshold will detect use from days previous when any impairment has passed. But if people do not read stuff and form opinions then what's the point in anything.

BumperD

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

"It should be stated at this point that this argument does not intend to trivialise cocaine use. Cocaine is an ever-growing scourge on society that serves to enrich criminals at the cost of public health and wellbeing."

Effects of cocaine are relatively short lasting, yes.

It’s a serious criminal offense. It’s not just enriching criminals.

The fact he waits until near the end of his piece to even mention any criminal aspect is funny, and even then, it’s nearly a bye the way, oh “it should be stated...”

BumperD

Think I’ve hit a nerve here

Anyway, I wish them all the best with their cocaine rehabilitation etc. If you believe Blake and others, the effects are short term.

Mostly Harmless

No nerve's hit here anyway, just pointless arguing about something when someone has such steadfast views and will shift the focus of the argument when their previous point is proved to be wrong.

Consumption is not a serious criminal offence anyway, you cannot get charged with any crime for having it in your system.

krustydoyle

Anyone on here going to the Betting Forum in leopardstown on Saturday??

akelly02

BumperD wrote: »

Think I’ve hit a nerve here

Anyway, I wish them all the best with their cocaine rehabilitation etc. If you believe Blake and others, the effects are short term.

the cocaine effect itself or the high would last no more than hour for a small dose, a few hours for larger dose.

they reckon to allow about 18 to 24 hrs to be safe at a checkpoint

i would agree that it has short term effects

PM me nudes

Half of Newmarket is on coke

Gringo180

PM me nudes wrote: »

Half of Newmarket is on coke

As is half of society in general. Its not the noise of scutters you hear in every cubicle across the country its the noise of sniffing.

STB.

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

He mentions the effect cocaine has on society and references the gangs. Not the easiest read but it's in there.

It is a bit of a joke though, 10 days for actually being impaired in an extremely dangerous environment where concentration is paramount.

Do you not agree that a better deterrent would be increased testing?

I don't.

The current level of testing has turned up 13 different jockeys in the last 4 years. Increasing the testing might expose that the problem is even bigger than they thought. Its bad enough. 3 jockeys tested positive on the same day at the Galway races.

I thought Kevin Blake's article was poor. His justification is that alcohol only gets you a limited ban whilst coke gets you 5 years (reality 18 months tops).

One is legal, the other illegal, neither are allowed in competition.

The problem always existed, its just more prevalent through widespread availability. Weight issues is the catalyst. If they bring in mandatory testing at stable level it might help, but there are many that ride out that might fail! Some trainers insist on it abroad, so that they don't fall foul of positive tests through contamination with someone taking class A/B/C drugs.

BumperD

The Gay Future story

https://www.racingpost.com/news/more-to-read/steve-dennis-with-the-fascinating-tale-behind-the-infamous-gay-future-coup/210796

STB.

Ever read about the guy who among other non claims won the HK$118m (about €13.m) Triple Trio (3 races with the first 3 picked in each) and never claimed it....



Remarkable stuff



https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code-in-hong-kong

BumperD

That is unreal. I’d read the story about the pool but not the full backstory. I’m near certain an investment offering crossed my desk 2 yrs ago that is mentioned near the end of that article, it was Asian football betting related, which I dismissed as I couldn’t get my head around it and figured it for some fraud, how wrong was I.

Lady Haywire

Some recovery! :eek:

https://twitter.com/IRISRacing/status/1087034419179864064?s=19

BumperD

Sunday forum back under new name racing debate for anyone who missed it

https://t.attheraces.com/atrplayer-popup/programmes/34443887

HarshOstrich

Anyone see a replay of the 7.45 wolves
Something fell off the winner aclaimthe nation after he came out the gates, I taught it was weight cloth but didn’t weigh in light.

Shemale

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Anyone see a replay of the 7.45 wolves
Something fell off the winner aclaimthe nation after he came out the gates, I taught it was weight cloth but didn’t weigh in light.

Didnt see it but some horses need a hood on to go into the stalls, the jockey takes it off and throws it behind him when the gate opens

HarshOstrich

Trainer Thomas o Connor in the racing post app news section today on lilshane having a little go at Townend without mentioning him haha.

“It’s important who rides him. Kevin Brouder knows him well, but he's injured at the moment, and he'd listen to me when I would tell him how he needs to be ridden.

“Ger Fox and Jonathan Moore know him well and, to be honest, if I couldn't get any of those lads for his next race I wouldn't run him. The more experienced jockeys don't listen to me because they'd have their own theories, even though I've been in racing all my life. If I was Willie Mullins they'd probably listen.”

Paul Townend the only other jockey to have ridden lil shane in the last year

HarshOstrich

Shemale wrote: »

Didnt see it but some horses need a hood on to go into the stalls, the jockey takes it off and throws it behind him when the gate opens

Just looked again at replay and the the jockey in the gate next to him threw the hood back at the winner before gates opened and it must of settled on the back of the saddle for 50 yards.

Gavin "shels"

https://news.sky.com/story/top-horse-racing-trainer-darren-weir-arrested-in-australia-after-electric-shock-devices-found-11622541

HarshOstrich

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/top-horse-racing-trainer-darren-weir-arrested-in-australia-after-electric-shock-devices-found-11622541

He must be training labaik

tinpib

No late flurry from Hugh Taylor. I think he had maybe 2 winners from when he came back from his Christmas break on January 6th. His last 2 weeks or so in December were shocking as well, no winners, but was on a very good run before that.

HarshOstrich

tinpib wrote: »

No late flurry from Hugh Taylor. I think he had maybe 2 winners from when he came back from his Christmas break on January 6th. His last 2 weeks or so in December were shocking as well, no winners, but was on a very good run before that.

Don’t think it was 2, I would look at his picks daily and I didn’t see 1 winner but was told by someone else there was one, either way it’s a horror run.
In the summer he put up escalator and that horse won today at meydan, maybe if in form he would of tipped it.

He has been a bit speculative this week with big price horses, wasteful looking now.

tinpib

I'm not 100% sure but it seems he had Flaming Marvel on Jan 11th at around 2/1 and also Grey Mist at 4/1 on his very first day back on Jan 6th. I think that might be it. A shocking 6/7 weeks.

I posted elsewhere wondering if he is 'contractually obliged' to post at least 1 a day in the middle of winter, he might prefer not to post these days but can't. I'm sure he will come good again when the weather improves and the flat season proper starts.

STB.

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Trainer Thomas o Connor in the racing post app news section today on lilshane having a little go at Townend without mentioning him haha.

“It’s important who rides him. Kevin Brouder knows him well, but he's injured at the moment, and he'd listen to me when I would tell him how he needs to be ridden.

For a horse that has been left at the start, subsequently ran out and continued to race and then be disqualified, then be pulled up in two subsequent starts, maybe its time to give the horse a break, it seems to be on the go constantly for the last few years. Too many races from what I can see and the handicapper has the horse firmly in his grips, otherwise 7lb claimers wouldn't be needed.

realdanbreen

tinpib wrote: »

No late flurry from Hugh Taylor. I think he had maybe 2 winners from when he came back from his Christmas break on January 6th. His last 2 weeks or so in December were shocking as well, no winners, but was on a very good run before that.

Why anyone pays a blind bit of notice to these 'tipsters' is beyond me. You could go eeney meeney miney mo on the racecard and still be as accurate as these guys. Unless you are working from info from the yard or the horses connections then the best indicator of the horses chances will come from what the bookies have priced up. They have invested €millions in getting the price right and that for me is more reliable than what some johnnycomelately tipster plucking fancies out of his arse can come up with.

BumperD

Have you even looked at HT’s records/stats Dan. If you had, you’d re write that post or even delete it as it doesn’t stack. He posts reasoned selections on his page that consistently produce profits .

Don’t mix him up with the hoardes of clowns out there, he’s a rarity and certainly not one of them. His strike rate is very good

Mostly Harmless

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why anyone pays a blind bit of notice to these 'tipsters' is beyond me. You could go eeney meeney miney mo on the racecard and still be as accurate as these guys. Unless you are working from info from the yard or the horses connections then the best indicator of the horses chances will come from what the bookies have priced up. They have invested €millions in getting the price right and that for me is more reliable than what some johnnycomelately tipster plucking fancies out of his arse can come up with.

LOL, so wrong. Hugh Taylor's stats for last ten years:

2018: ROI 155% +345pts
2017: ROI 146% +282pts
2016: ROI 144% +281pts
2015: ROI 134% +207pts
2014: ROI 132% +199.79pts
2013: ROI 132% +210pts
2012: ROI 131% +222.65pts
2011: ROI 128% +302.64 pts
2010: ROI 123% +324.79 pts
2009: ROI 126% +500.36 pts

Fair enough they are at largely at unobtainable prices but they guy is on another level. Good luck backing "info" if you have no concept of the right price to be betting at.

irish_major

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

LOL, so wrong. Hugh Taylor's stats for last ten years:

2018: ROI 155% +345pts
2017: ROI 146% +282pts
2016: ROI 144% +281pts
2015: ROI 134% +207pts
2014: ROI 132% +199.79pts
2013: ROI 132% +210pts
2012: ROI 131% +222.65pts
2011: ROI 128% +302.64 pts
2010: ROI 123% +324.79 pts
2009: ROI 126% +500.36 pts

Fair enough they are at largely at unobtainable prices but they guy is on another level. Good luck backing "info" if you have no concept of the right price to be betting at.

Came on to post the exact same thing. Hugh Taylor the most consistent in the game.

realdanbreen

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

LOL, so wrong. Hugh Taylor's stats for last ten years:

2018: ROI 155% +345pts
2017: ROI 146% +282pts
2016: ROI 144% +281pts
2015: ROI 134% +207pts
2014: ROI 132% +199.79pts
2013: ROI 132% +210pts
2012: ROI 131% +222.65pts
2011: ROI 128% +302.64 pts
2010: ROI 123% +324.79 pts
2009: ROI 126% +500.36 pts

Fair enough they are at largely at unobtainable prices but they guy is on another level. Good luck backing "info" if you have no concept of the right price to be betting at.

When you say 'unobtainable prices' what do mean?

realdanbreen

irish_major wrote: »

Came on to post the exact same thing. Hugh Taylor the most consistent in the game.

The vast majority of his tips that come good are horses that the whole country has already fancied and backed.
These guys are paid to appeal to the lazy punter who wouldn't know or even be bothered studying a horses form.

Mostly Harmless

realdanbreen wrote: »

When you say 'unobtainable prices' what do mean?

The bookies cut the prices as soon as the tips go up so it's impossible to get on at the advertised prices, he still makes a (smaller) profit at SP though.

HarshOstrich

Was on watersmeet there and have to say I’m disgusted with the tactics on lord George, he never had a hope at the pace he went and just looked to purposely ruin watersmeet chances.

HarshOstrich

Hugh Taylor blog today

All the horses whose chance I like today have at least one potential drawback to their chance, including COMEONFEELTHEFORCE, who is entitled to go well in the extended 1m1f handicap at Wolverhampton (4.40) providing her wide draw doesn’t count against her.

She seems to have improved for a step up in trip on her last two starts and ran well when fourth here last time, short of room at a crucial stage. It’s hard to know whether she would have finished in front of runner-up Precision Prince with a clear run, but both are drawn high and at the prices I’d rather side with Comeonfeeltheforce, who runs off the same mark here and gives the impression she has a small race like this in her.

Poor man, it’s typical of the form he’s in and maybe to forget about prices of horses and choose who the best horse is.

Shemale

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

LOL, so wrong. Hugh Taylor's stats for last ten years:

2018: ROI 155% +345pts
2017: ROI 146% +282pts
2016: ROI 144% +281pts
2015: ROI 134% +207pts
2014: ROI 132% +199.79pts
2013: ROI 132% +210pts
2012: ROI 131% +222.65pts
2011: ROI 128% +302.64 pts
2010: ROI 123% +324.79 pts
2009: ROI 126% +500.36 pts

Fair enough they are at largely at unobtainable prices but they guy is on another level. Good luck backing "info" if you have no concept of the right price to be betting at.

Those returns are on the "prices" he says they are even though they are half that when it goes up on his page, bookies clearly getting heads up before the page is put up.

Not sure he would be so successful if his actual prices were used.

BumperD

Shemale wrote: »

Those returns are on the "prices" he says they are even though they are half that when it goes up on his page, bookies clearly getting heads up before the page is put up.

Not sure he would be so successful if his actual prices were used.

The % might be different but the success rate wouldn’t change: )

Mostly Harmless

Shemale wrote: »

Those returns are on the "prices" he says they are even though they are half that when it goes up on his page, bookies clearly getting heads up before the page is put up.

Not sure he would be so successful if his actual prices were used.

Prices are cut as soon as it goes live but he still shows a decent profit at Betfair SP, he's the best in the business.

Shemale

BumperD wrote: »

The % might be different but the success rate wouldn’t change: )

I know but they are advertising the % and pts as a measure of his success and they wouldn't be next or near these figures based on the available prices when the page is put up.