TUF 19 - Penn, Edgar + Pendred & Fields! **Spoilers**

Dtp1979

John_D80 wrote: »

I recently re watched this season. Top notch fights and fighters. Season 5 is well up there as well in my opinion.

Going forward I'm actually looking forward to season 20. Female straw-weights. Has to be better than what TUF has given us lately.

Mmmmm eye candy

DeVore

Ah ffs...

Chris at least took some kicks at him but he didn't seem to use his head as much in the cage as he should have. Pulling guard with a guillotine was silly for example, rushing in when he had Van Buren rocked was just a rush of blood to the head. Real pity because Van Buren had nothing to offer this fight and stank.

I love the ground game, love watching high level BJJ but lately a lot of (particularly American) fighters seem to be keen on hugging their way to a victory and its smothering the fights.

Bored senseless of TUF and if it wasn't for the Irish guys I definitely wouldn't bother even recording it.

MrStuffins

dulux99 wrote: »

Tuf needs to seriously take a sabbatical. At least give it a few years for some more talent to rise to the top. There's multiple TUF seasons being recorded around the world at any one time these days, and the lack of actual talent is staggering. Have a look at the TUF14 lineup for instance, and the quality that came out of that season.

They need another "Comeback" season

One of the most frustrating fights Ive watched. Just in terms of decision making Fields performed like he had 1 or 2 pro fights. Dont know why he was not getting double underhooks against the cage and pulling guard, christ that was loose. Tossed away round 1 with an ill timed and risky takedown attempt
And starting the last round getting told to attack and he almost just starts walking backwards. Lost the plot he did. Hope for his sake he gets it together when he get his chance on whatever undercard he will be on.

John_D80

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Mmmmm eye candy

Didn't want to objectify the female fighters like that but seeing as you've started it, I'll say AMEN to that, my friend. ;-)

There are some absolute dingers in that line up.

amkin25

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the most frustrating fights Ive watched. Just in terms of decision making Fields performed like he had 1 or 2 pro fights. Dont know why he was not getting double underhooks against the cage and pulling guard, christ that was loose. Tossed away round 1 with an ill timed and risky takedown attempt
And starting the last round getting told to attack and he almost just starts walking backwards. Lost the plot he did. Hope for his sake he gets it together when he get his chance on whatever undercard he will be on.

I would have loved to see him do well here,but without sounding too harsh he just doesn't look cut out for it to me,hes fairly experienced by now so i just don't see him improving enough to last more than a couple token fights on an irish card,on the basis of having been on the show.
It was all round disappointing anyway for some reason i thought he was gonna beat van buren and van buren was there for the taking.

Utopia Parkway

That was another terrible fight between Fields and Van Buren. They must have spent 80% of it in the clinch up against the cage. Both fighters looked tired early in the 2nd round. Fields made some bad decisions though. Might well have lost the first round when he tried that trip takedown and Van Buren almost landed in mount on top of him. He just about managed to get guard but Van Buren managed to get some shots in to probably nick the round.

The only highlight was seeing Dana's reaction to the fight afterwards.

Tough fight for Cathal next week. His opponent looks naturally a bigger man.

MrStuffins

Did I imagine Dana shouting "Good fight gentlemen" or something like that after Round 1? And then absolutely lambasting the fight afterwards?

DeVore

I think the opening extended bout of knees seemed to take a lot of the gas out of fighters. (I train Muay Thai, and therefore been kneed too! ... if you haven't, believe me I'd rather be punched several times than take one knee to the solar plexus ).

JojoD51

Wasn't impressed with BJ Penn brown nosing Dana afterwards. Also wonder if fighting at the higher weight than usual had an effect on Fields?

Davei141

JojoD51 wrote: »

Wasn't impressed with BJ Penn brown nosing Dana afterwards. Also wonder if fighting at the higher weight than usual had an effect on Fields?

Well Van Buren was stronger than him but when he had a chance to break from the clinch multiple times he didn't take it, which i thought was a mistake.

yourdeadwright

I don't want to come across fighter bashing but Fields skill level is not UFC standard,
I wish the guy all the best but lets be honest he isn't UFC level fighter there's no shame in it either not many are,

Cyber Ghost

JojoD51 wrote: »

Wasn't impressed with BJ Penn brown nosing Dana afterwards. Also wonder if fighting at the higher weight than usual had an effect on Fields?

Yeah Penn is a little worm for that.
Couldn't believe he was licking the hole off Dana instead of at least taking some blame considering he's the coach ffs. I really hate the guy now after that. You could maybe understand the lickassing if he needed a favor off Dana but Penn is one of the richest guys in MMA.
Cannot wait for Frankie to kick the head off him

Cyber Ghost

In fairness fields shouldn't have even been in the house. he got leathered in his prelim.

His teeth are bloody weird too. He's a grand looking lad until he opens his mouth

MagicIRL

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

His teeth are bloody weird too. He's a grand looking lad until he opens his mouth

Well don't you just sound like a great lad altogether.

raze_them_all_

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

In fairness fields shouldn't have even been in the house. he got leathered in his prelim.

His teeth are bloody weird too. He's a grand looking lad until he opens his mouth

seriously?? this is the ****e people come out with.


Chris at least took a chance at furthering his career big time, and small minded people come and bash how he looks.

Jimmy Bottlehead

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't want to come across fighter bashing but Fields skill level is not UFC standard,
I wish the guy all the best but lets be honest he isn't UFC level fighter there's no shame in it either not many are,

One point is that (as with Cathal), Chris is a natural middleweight, so he's fighting a class above where he usually fights. The argument might be that some or most of the other fighters are doing the same (I don't know) but it's bound to have an impact for a fighter who's not even known for being physically strong at MW.

Cyber Ghost

Since when are people not allowed to comment on the looks of people on the telly?

You guys are all like "arieane and Brittany are so hot" - why the flip should Chris fields get a pass?

Dtp1979

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

Since when are people not allowed to comment on the looks of people on the telly?

You guys are all like "arieane and Brittany are so hot" - why the flip should Chris fields get a pass?

What has looks or a fighters teeth got to do with being a fighter??
Arieana and Brittany are models and it's their job to be hot

Cyber Ghost

Dtp1979 wrote: »

What has looks or a fighters teeth got to do with being a fighter??
Arieana and Brittany are models and it's their job to be hot

Whatever.
He sucked ass anyway.

Worst season ever. Nothing happening in the house and fights are dire.

And BJ Penn is a royal asshole. A right little fecker

DeVore

That's some cutting analysis right there... :rolleyes:

JojoD51

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

In fairness fields shouldn't have even been in the house. he got leathered in his prelim.

His teeth are bloody weird too. He's a grand looking lad until he opens his mouth

Would you fix your teeth if you were a fighter, no, stupid comment.

And regarding his fight to get into the house, this is really starting to annoy me now. Anyone who watched that fight knows that Fields leg kicks caused that damage, you can see the feckin mark were he said his leg gave out. Also the fight was not finished so who knows how it would have ended otherwise. We have all seen fights that go back and forth and anything can happen.

Dana is probably the only reason why I don't want to watch this show, all he wants is blood for entertainment, which in my humble opinion is a pile of pants.

And finally, I have watched and been present for nearly all of Fields fights and he has every right to be in the UFC, grant you his fight with Van Buren had a lot of mistakes which I'm sure he knows, but he is very hard to keep down which is refreshing in a series of others who are.

MrStuffins

Look, i'm all for defending Chris Fields. He's a top guy and a warrior.

But at the end of the day he's not UFC standard. He's had 2 fights now and he's lost almost every moment of both of them.

I'm not bashing the guy, it's just the truth!

Davei141

I don't think there is such a thing as UFC standard anymore. Give the guy a go in his natural weight class on the under card and see how he gets on. Fields wasn't great but Van Buren just clinched every single time which is difficult to deal with when you are dealing with a bigger guy who is huge and in his natural weight class

El Guapo!

Cyber Ghost, if you want to continue posting crap like that you can take it to Sherdog. That's not what this forum is about. Tone it down or else don't post at all. And have a read of the charter before you post again.

John_D80

Yes the fights this season have been lacklustre in the extreme. If I had told you right after Pendred's fight that it would go on to be one of the most entertaining of the quarter finals you would have laughed at me.

But to be honest, I find it very difficult to put the full blame on the fighters themselves when they are competing under a very flawed judging and scoring system that doesn't really reward dynamism or variety of offence.

kearneybobs

Even Dana thinks it's one of the worst seasons ever.
http://mmajunkie.com/2014/06/dana-white-on-the-ultimate-fighter-19-its-without-a-doubt-the-worst-season

DeVore

Other than Pendred's fights.... the only thing keeping me watching this season is to see how badly they can continue to mis-pronounce "Cathal"

Cyber Ghost

DeVore wrote: »

Other than Pendred's fights.... the only thing keeping me watching this season is to see how badly they can continue to mis-pronounce "Cathal"

Reported for accent bashing

califano

Cot Hol

DrPhilG

Don't mean to bash but I agree with the sentiments of a few here. Pendred has the potential to be a solid UFC fighter IMO, maybe not challenger, but he'll hold his own.

But I said before the show started and before the infamous first fight that I don't think Fields is good enough to even be in the UFC. If he was 23 or 24 then maybe he could improve to that level, but he's 30 and just flopped on the big TUF stage.

Dana seems intent on not giving any of the also rans a fight on the finale undercard, and the fact that Fields hasn't been named for Dublin despite being out of TUF would seem to bear that up.

Dtp1979

DrPhilG wrote: »

Don't mean to bash but I agree with the sentiments of a few here. Pendred has the potential to be a solid UFC fighter IMO, maybe not challenger, but he'll hold his own.

But I said before the show started and before the infamous first fight that I don't think Fields is good enough to even be in the UFC. If he was 23 or 24 then maybe he could improve to that level, but he's 30 and just flopped on the big TUF stage.

Dana seems intent on not giving any of the also rans a fight on the finale undercard, and the fact that Fields hasn't been named for Dublin despite being out of TUF would seem to bear that up.

Unless there's an injury in the house and chris gets a lucky spot

$ausage$

My 2 cents are as follows.

1. Yes he might not have been at a standard of others but everyone says he has come along way thanks to the training. I don't remember watching a TUF saying they are UFC quality it's very rare. He will go home better for it and people see ireland on the Mma map. No such thing as bad press.

2. Yes season is shocking but you have to realise it's set up that way. A lot of guys get paid a lot of money to be match makers for good reason. So allowing coaches to pick will always be a boring fight unless the picks left are slim.

So let's stop trying to be the English media here and let's just say thanks to the guys for giving us a good show and for representing us. (But please stop the ole ole crap)

adamski8

English media? That's a strange one. Thanks for giving us a good show? Didnt didnt, all the fights including theirs sucked. If anything we shouldn't say they were great just cause they are Irish.

Kent Brockman

Saw Chris KO Jack Mason with a good head kick & although it was impressive, it was very early in the fight so not much else to go on.

Thought he looked a few levels below JT Money in their fight & lets be honest Taylor is not exactly top tier either.

Looked like he was getting well beaten in the entry fight to the house so at this point I was beginning to doubt if he belonged there at all & expected him to lose his fight.

Having said all that I was actually impressed with the heart he showed in that fight & believe he has improved from his time in the house. He had a very big and awkward opponent & I think it could have gone to a 3rd.

Think & hope the experience will do him good & of course I will support him & wish him all the best, as I would with any Irish fighter (+ Gunni & Arni :-) ).

Is it coming across that a few in the house don't like him or is that just the other team being douches?

MrStuffins

$ausage$ wrote: »

So let's stop trying to be the English media here and let's just say thanks to the guys for giving us a good show and for representing us.

No.

This is a discussion forum. If it is someone's opinion (like it is mine) that Chris isn't up to standard then that should be said. Just because he's Irish, doesn't mean we should not give our opinions and just say "Thanks lads".

Both lads are doing a great job. Both are coming across well and they are great representatives of the sport from our country. But Chris isn't up to the standard and both of his fights have shown that.

Even though Chris lost his fight and got starched in the fight to get into the house the coaches and other fighters said he was the most improved guy in the house, who knows he might even come out of it, get a prelim fight and be a lot better, there's a big gap between filming for TUF and the pro fight on the UFC card.

MagicIRL

I reckon Chris will sign for the UFC. He'll work his way on to the main card via preliminary fights. His foot is already in the UFC door. Remember that TUF isn't the be all and end all of a fighter. Paddy Hoolahan didn't make the UFC house for TUF18 and he's just signed for the UFC. Hard work pays off. Delighted for each and every one of them.

DrPhilG

Then why hasn't Chris been announced for the Dublin card?

JojoD51

I'm assuming Pendred will be on the card if he doesn't advance to final (because they keep harping on about the 'Hype' surrounding him in Ireland) and he deserves it but I really hope Fields get's on this card as his fights are always good to watch, probably better than most on 174. Don't think any of the fights we have seen on tuf represent the skill sets of any of the fighters (Williams in particular). And on a side note, if Owen Roddy hadn't retired would have loved to see him on the card.

rolexeagle1

JojoD51 wrote: »

I'm assuming Pendred will be on the card if he doesn't advance to final (because they keep harping on about the 'Hype' surrounding him in Ireland) and he deserves it but I really hope Fields get's on this card as his fights are always good to watch, probably better than most on 174. Don't think any of the fights we have seen on tuf represent the skill sets of any of the fighters (Williams in particular). And on a side note, if Owen Roddy hadn't retired would have loved to see him on the card.

If Cathal loses his fight on Thursday on TUF maybe. If not, well he will be on TUF finale the week before

$ausage$

adamski8 wrote: »

English media? That's a strange one. Thanks for giving us a good show? Didnt didnt, all the fights including theirs sucked. If anything we shouldn't say they were great just cause they are Irish.

The reference was a WC one as in the English media build the team up then shoot them down if its not the right result.

$ausage$

MrStuffins wrote: »

No.

This is a discussion forum. If it is someone's opinion (like it is mine) that Chris isn't up to standard then that should be said. Just because he's Irish, doesn't mean we should not give our opinions and just say "Thanks lads".

Both lads are doing a great job. Both are coming across well and they are great representatives of the sport from our country. But Chris isn't up to the standard and both of his fights have shown that.

Yeh I see your point and agree about opinion just like that was mine and we can debate it, but to be negative i feel is not a responce I like, maybe im just used to teaching the kids and looking at the positives. I agree also he wa slucking to get in in the first place and expected more but hopefully now he can go on and do some good/great things.

RoboRat

Remember that TUF isn't the be all and end all of a fighter.

Frankie Edgar can vouch for that.

My opinion is that I think Chris is a very talented fighter but I just feel he doesn't seem to have the confidence in his ground game, this is a shame as I know he has a decent ground game and seen him darce choke Redmond. I can't put my finger on it but it just seems like he sometimes fights in low motion. He has brilliant striking but to go up the next level he needs to work on his wrestling and controlling an opponent.

Stuxnet

Well at least DW has acknowledged the fact

Dana White on ‘The Ultimate Fighter 19’: It’s ‘without a doubt the worst season’

VANCOUVER – Despite repeated advertisements on FOX Sports 1 stating “critics agree it’s the best season yet,” UFC President Dana White is not all that pleased with the current installment of “The Ultimate Fighter” reality show.

“It was without a doubt the worst season and the least motivated the fighters have ever been,” White told MMAjunkie. “But I can say this, at least the fights pick up at the end.”

Currently in its 19th domestic season, “TUF” has become a stale, cookie-cutter product in the eyes of many viewers. Even with former champions B.J. Penn and Frankie Edgar at the helm as coaches, “TUF 19” ratings are among the worst in the series’ nine-year history.

While in-house drama or a coaches’ rivalry never hurts, the most important aspect of the show is how the fighters perform. Thus far those performances haven’t exactly been good, as nearly every fight this season has gone to a decision with several judging controversies mixed in.

That draws the ire of White, particularly because he sees such a large gap in passion and desire between the “TUF 19” cast and the fighters currently living in the house filming “TUF: Latin America.”

“Let me tell you the difference between that season and what’s going on with Mexico and Latin America right now,” White said. “Every day we’re in there, and I don’t want to miss any of these fights. These guys are so pumped to be living in that house and so excited to be fighting. It’s just crazy. … When I go to those fights, it’s fun. I feel like I’m at a fight I just paid $1,000 for my ticket.”

White isn’t one to sugarcoat his opinions. Even though “TUF 19” is still in its regular-season fun and has a few episodes remaining, he readily admits the season has been a dud. Yet, he still has high expectations for the four finalists, who will vie for a six-figure UFC contract at the TUF 19 Finale on July 6 in Las Vegas.

“You can’t blame the coaches, you can’t blame this or that; you blame the guys and how bad they really wanted it,” White said. “That’s just my opinion, but we’ll find out at the finale. We’ll see who shows up and what they do, and they better step it up because those guys are going to come into the UFC. Whoever wins that finale is going to the UFC.”

“TUF” seasons have produced mixed results. Some will see essentially every cast member weeded out of the promotion, as with “TUF 16.” Others, such as “TUF 14,” will provide legitimate world champions and title challengers like T.J. Dillashaw and John Dodson.

Unfortunately, this is season seems like it’ll be more of the former than the latter. White feels the same, and if it were up to him, no one outside the four finalists would even get a chance for official UFC debuts.

“You might not see one of those f—ing guys in the finale,” White said. “If it was up to me, no. I was not impressed.”

Source

JojoD51

I strongly dislike Dana, strongly.

unknown13

JojoD51 wrote: »

I strongly dislike Dana, strongly.

Like him or not, you can't deny what he has done for the sport. However, he does have a lot of flaws.

JojoD51

unknown13 wrote: »

Like him or not, you can't deny what he has done for the sport. However, he does have a lot of flaws.

Not sure there wasn't another Dana White out there waiting to do what he did, not taking away from his achievements but there were a lot of people before him. I feel like he is turning the sport into entertainment with blood. It's 'Mixed' martial arts and he hates on wrestling and clinching, does he not just want K1. Also he kind of has the type of face you just want to punch. I could go on, but prob on a different thread. Also he is very rich and majority of the fighters get f*ck all. Done.

MrStuffins

Dana has done a lot but I think the bigger the company gets, the less and less he knows the fighters personally and the more distant he tends to be. I think this then leads him to "shout inwards" and criticise fighters and fights whereas beforehand he was "shouting outwards" and defending them.

If Dana White doesn't like Wrestling or Grappling, then it's a mistake to work for an MMA company.

amkin25

I watched a fair few of the ultimate fighter seasons and this one had an irish interest which made it interesting for people here,but aside from that i don't think its anywhere near the worst,not even close to the worst there has been some bad ones.

Dana is clearly just creating drama for ratings here,the ratings have been falling,this is just Dana being the smart promoter,anything to create news and drama,thats what all the extra complaining about fighters doing nothing this season is about,just show and drama not real.