AVB has been sacked, Sherwood appointed

Corholio

CSF wrote: »

He has had plenty of chances, so his finishing hasn't been upto scratch, and with 3 attacking midfielders behind him, he hasn't been short of players for link-up play. He has had lots of chances up there, the hattrick game was about the only good performance I've seen him put in. He has been truly awful. He has been great in the past but has put in some pathetic performances for Spurs

We'll disagree then. Attacking midfielders who like to keep taking shots. I'm not saying he's been very good or anything, just that there's a lot more reason why than just his own performances.

CSF

Corholio wrote: »

We'll disagree then. Attacking midfielders who like to keep taking shots. I'm not saying he's been very good or anything, just that there's a lot more reason why than just his own performances.

He was up there with Eriksen for quite a while who is about as creative as they come. The chap just hasn't cut it. 1 goal from open play in the league isn't it? Shocking. I'd love to see some shots per goal stats on him.

enfant terrible

CSF wrote: »

He has had plenty of chances, so his finishing hasn't been upto scratch, and with 3 attacking midfielders behind him, he hasn't been short of players for link-up play. He has had lots of chances up there, the hattrick game was about the only good performance I've seen him put in. He has been truly awful. He has been great in the past but has put in some pathetic performances for Spurs

Maybe Spurs would have the striker they needed if VB had some balls and asked for the striker he wanted for his system instead of asking for a DOF to go get him players.

CSF

enfant terrible wrote: »

Maybe Spurs would have the striker they needed if VB had some balls and asked for the striker he wanted for his system instead of asking for a DOF to go get him players.

You keep repeating that but it isn't any more poignant than it was the first time you said it. This is a common way of running a football club, operated successfully at clubs far more successful than Spurs involving managers that nobody would consider mocking as lacking balls.

kryogen

CSF wrote: »

I think you might be overrating Soldado there, has looked muck at all times since he joined Spurs and I don't see how you'd blame AVB specifically for that, (as much as he has to take responsibility for the results) the chap has just been really poor.

Soldado had a career before coming to Spurs you know

He has scored goals all through his career

He is not suited to being a lone striker, isolated as he has been. But he is a very good goalscorer

Paully D

He had apparently come in to work today with Christmas presents for the staff. I hope he kept the receipts!

kryogen

AdamD wrote: »

Why do I keep reading this?! He played up front on his own for Valencia, he was never going to be playing in a 2 striker system.

Do you really not know the difference in Valencias system/set up and Spurs?

kryogen

CSF wrote: »

He was up there with Eriksen for quite a while who is about as creative as they come. The chap just hasn't cut it. 1 goal from open play in the league isn't it? Shocking. I'd love to see some shots per goal stats on him.

Are you doubting the class of Soldado

Or

Are you just saying he isn't working out at Spurs/English football/under AVB (or whatever)

CSF

kryogen wrote: »

Are you doubting the class of Soldado

Or

Are you just saying he isn't working out at Spurs/English football/under AVB (or whatever)

He was very good at Valencia. Might be too early to say still but my guess is that the increased tempo of English football has found him wanting.

PhlegmyMoses

kryogen wrote: »

Are you doubting the class of Soldado

Depends on what class you put him in. A good goalscorer in Spain, where there's regularly 5 and 6 players breaking 20 goals and loads of others in the late teens. I'd have him at least a notch below the best strikers in the world. Top 20 maybe.

I wouldn't be building a team around him, put it that way.

kryogen

CSF wrote: »

He was very good at Valencia. Might be too early to say still but my guess is that the increased tempo of English football has found him wanting.

He is new to the league, new country and he has been isolated and not utilised properly at all (imo) given time and support he would flourish I feel. Too early to judge a lot of the players brought in this season tbf

I take your point and its a valid question, the league simply might not suit him, time will tell maybe

K4t

Soldado's in the same bracket as Giroud, good player but not good enough to lead a top 4 side's attack by himself.

CSF

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Depends on what class you put him in. A good goalscorer in Spain, where there's regularly 5 and 6 players breaking 20 goals and loads of others in the late teens. I'd have him at least a notch below the best strikers in the world. Top 20 maybe.

I wouldn't be building a team around him, put it that way.

Doubt he is top 20. Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski, Giroud, Higuain, Lukaku, Van Persie, Rooney, Mandzukic, Cavani, Sturridge, Costa, Falcao, Benzema, Negredo, Gomez, Balotelli, Tevez. There are 20 better than him IMO (in no real order) and I think others could name more. Decent striker but not bordering world class at the same time.

enfant terrible

CSF wrote: »

You keep repeating that but it isn't any more poignant than it was the first time you said it. This is a common way of running a football club, operated successfully at clubs far more successful than Spurs involving managers that nobody would consider mocking as lacking balls.

It was his choice to ask for a DOF to buy his players.

I won't feel sorry for him being sacked because someone picked the wrong players for his system.

He should of picked them himself.

CSF

K4t wrote: »

Soldado's in the same bracket as Giroud, good player but not good enough to lead a top 4 side's attack by himself.

Giroud is far superior IMO. His contribution to the team outside of just scoring goals is often overlooked.

CSF

enfant terrible wrote: »

It was his choice to ask for a DOF to buy his players.

I won't feel sorry for him being sacked because someone picked the wrong players for his system.

He should of picked them himself.

Ok.

kryogen

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Depends on what class you put him in. A good goalscorer in Spain, where there's regularly 5 and 6 players breaking 20 goals and loads of others in the late teens. I'd have him at least a notch below the best strikers in the world. Top 20 maybe.

I wouldn't be building a team around him, put it that way.

Soldado is a very good goalscorer.

I wouldn't build a team around him either, but I would utilise him as best I could if he was my main striker.

Now, you should take out Messi and Ronaldo as they are freaks, surely?

Other then that in the 2012/13 season the players ahead of him on the scoring charts were Falcao (touted as the best in the world by some) on 28 goals which was phenomenal and Negredo on 25. Soldado finished with 24

He scored the first goal on 11 occasions, more then any other. Highlighted as the first goal of a game is obviously a big moment

No other striker broke 20 goals, only 3 made it past 15. Higuain (16) Piti (18) and Ruben Castro (18)

He was certainly in the top echelon in Spain. He could be a super player for Spurs if they use him correctly, Negredo is finding his feet at City and there is no reason on a technical level that Soldado can not succeed at Spurs. He has the pedigree.........................................................

I lost my train of thought totally

enfant terrible

CSF wrote: »

Doubt he is top 20. Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski, Giroud, Higuain, Lukaku, Van Persie, Rooney, Mandzukic, Cavani, Sturridge, Costa, Falcao, Benzema, Negredo, Gomez, Balotelli, Tevez. There are 20 better than him IMO (in no real order) and I think others could name more. Decent striker but not bordering world class at the same time.

VB should of asked for one of them so.

CSF

kryogen wrote: »

Soldado is a very good goalscorer.

I wouldn't build a team around him either, but I would utilise him as best I could if he was my main striker.

Now, you should take out Messi and Ronaldo as they are freaks, surely?

Other then that in the 2012/13 season the players ahead of him on the scoring charts were Falcao (touted as the best in the world by some) on 28 goals which was phenomenal and Negredo on 25. Soldado finished with 24

He scored the first goal on 11 occasions, more then any other. Highlighted as the first goal of a game is obviously a big moment

No other striker broke 20 goals, only 3 made it past 15. Higuain (16) Piti (18) and Ruben Castro (18)

He was certainly in the top echelon in Spain. He could be a super player for Spurs if they use him correctly, Negredo is finding his feet at City and there is no reason on a technical level that Soldado can not succeed at Spurs. He has the pedigree.........................................................

I lost my train of thought totally

When you have Piti and Ruben Castro on 18 I think your stats might actually be proving the OP's point rather than disproving it.

kryogen

CSF wrote: »

Doubt he is top 20. Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski, Giroud, Higuain, Lukaku, Van Persie, Rooney, Mandzukic, Cavani, Sturridge, Costa, Falcao, Benzema, Negredo, Gomez, Balotelli, Tevez. There are 20 better than him IMO (in no real order) and I think others could name more. Decent striker but not bordering world class at the same time.

While I would disagree with some of your choices I would agree with the main point that he would be doing well to make my top 20 anyway

K4t

Playboy wrote: »

Walker we could do better but there arent that many better right backs in the league.

Rafael
Zabaleta
Sagna
Coleman
Ivanovic
Clyne
Debuchy
Johnson


Jenkins


Walker

K4t

CSF wrote: »

Giroud is far superior IMO. His contribution to the team outside of just scoring goals is often overlooked.

He is a good target man alright and his flicks are brilliant, but in general they're on the same level, one below the likes of RVP, Aguero and Suarez.

Washington Irving

AdamD wrote: »

Why do I keep reading this?! He played up front on his own for Valencia, he was never going to be playing in a 2 striker system.

He partnered Adruiz up front for a good chunk of their time together at Valencia a few seasons back.

smileyj1987

Tottenham have a new manager tonight .

Corholio

I definitely think Soldado is a better striker than some are giving him credit for. With the proper support he'll be lethal for Spurs, I've no doubts about that.

Utopia Parkway

Corholio wrote: »

I definitely think Soldado is a better striker than some are giving him credit for. With the proper support he'll be lethal for Spurs, I've no doubts about that.

Doesn't really seem like a striker who'll create chances for himself so really needs good service to be effective. Which he definitely isn't getting so far.

kryogen

Just saw AVB win ratio, best ever for a Spurs manager! In the league only he has a 54% win ratio

Really could have given him a bit longer it leads you to believe.

dfx-

enfant terrible wrote: »

What do you think are the players he brought in good players?

Did VB get the most out of them in his system?

How can you possibly tell in just 16 games?

enfant terrible

dfx- wrote: »

How can you possibly tell in just 16 games?

That Soldado doesn't suit the system he wants to play.

Dolph Starbeam

Just heard Lord Sugar on Radio 1 saying that he deserved to go for wasting £100m during the summer, you would think that he is aware of how things actually work with the DOF. If the manager goes, the DOF should go. Would like to see Hoddle get the job again.

DeanAustin

YayaBanana wrote: »

Just heard Lord Sugar on Radio 1 saying that he deserved to go for wasting £100m during the summer, you would think that he is aware of how things actually work with the DOF. If the manager goes, the DOF should go. Would like to see Hoddle get the job again.

Good point on Sugar albeit I don't believe the DoF should automatically go.

You would also think that after some of the **** he allowed to be signed that he would be a little bit more aware of how these things can work. Not a Sugar hater but he has been a classless c**t when it comes to AVB over the last while and I say this as someone who agrees with Levy's decision.

Sugar is also in cloud cuckoo land because his suggestion to replace AVB was Fergie. F**kwit.

Corholio

Corholio wrote: »

I definitely think Soldado is a better striker than some are giving him credit for. With the proper support he'll be lethal for Spurs, I've no doubts about that.

I don't know which player you've been watching but the one I've seen looks like a total dudd to be honest. Obviously could be wrong that's just what I've observed so far anyway

Paully D

Soldado is being severely underrated on here IMO. The man is a machine. A 1 in 2 record throughout his career and he has 9 in 17 for Spurs so far.

I would cut him a bit of slack considering a) Spurs have used him completely wrong and b) he's trying to settle in a new country while his wife has had a miscarriage last month. It can't be easy for him.

He'll prove to be a top signing over the years.

CSF

Paully D wrote: »

Soldado is being severely underrated on here IMO. The man is a machine. A 1 in 2 record throughout his career and he has 9 in 17 for Spurs so far.

I would cut him a bit of slack considering a) Spurs have used him completely wrong and b) he's trying to settle in a new country while his wife has had a miscarriage last month. It can't be easy for him.

He'll prove to be a top signing over the years.

1 goal from open play in the Premiership this season. Whether people are underrating him or not, the man is definitely not a machine.

He's a penalty machine

Grayditch

He's good at shouting.

DeanAustin

I hope the same people saying Levy pulled the trigger too soon on AVB aren't having a pop at Soldado.

Give the fella a chance. New league, new culture, team aren't very fluid going forward and his wife had a miscarriage. He's scored a few too. Henry took 8 games before he scored for Arsenal and he turned into one of the best players of the last 20 years. IIRC, Berbatov didn't exactly hit the ground running for us either. I realise Soldado isn't at that level but give him a chance.

rob316

CSF wrote: »

1 goal from open play in the Premiership this season. Whether people are underrating him or not, the man is definitely not a machine.

+ 1

One goal from open play in the league is pitiful, Marouane Chamakh and Welbeck have a better return and you cant say they have been playing in less struggling teams. I remember when ye signed him there was uproar in the Liverpool thread, loads banging on about how much better than sturridge he is. Looks a limited player to me, if he doesn't score goals he cant do much else, and the goals have been few and far between so far.

Spurs have blown there shot of cracking the top 4. If Liverpool can get back in the season then Spurs have a huge battle at trying to get in for the next few seasons.

Uaru

I get the impression that a large part of the reason he has been sacked is because he is not particularly charismatic or likable. Obviously the two bad beatings haven't helped but as others have pointed out Spurs are still doing ok sitting two points ahead of the champions and 5 points off a champions league spot.

Silly decision in my opinion. I can see them really struggle for the next couple of months now.

Godge

DeanAustin wrote: »

I hope the same people saying Levy pulled the trigger too soon on AVB aren't having a pop at Soldado.

Give the fella a chance. New league, new culture, team aren't very fluid going forward and his wife had a miscarriage. He's scored a few too. Henry took 8 games before he scored for Arsenal and he turned into one of the best players of the last 20 years. IIRC, Berbatov didn't exactly hit the ground running for us either. I realise Soldado isn't at that level but give him a chance.

Last season Soldado played nine games against PSG, Bayern, Barca and Real Madrid and scored exactly zero goals in those nine matches.

Sure he scored goals against La Liga cannon fodder but even Carlos Vela can do that.

gosplan

I don't get why he was sacked at all.

If they had a manager lined up like Southampton did, that would make sense but to sack AVB just to go into the unknown is crazy.

I mean what was the worst case scenario with AVB and what's the best they can hope for now?

Paully D

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's a penalty machine

It didn't do Alan Shearer any harm.

larchielads

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Tottenham have a new manager tonight .

AVBean:D

larchielads

anyone think if Hoddle gets the job that he'll play all the foreigners and buy more of em if hes allowed instead of developin the young english players like he wants to do with the fa. wonder would he stick to it if he had the day to day runnin of a club where results are more important than whether or not theres english players on the field??

bradlente

I don't get why Hoddle is being considered so highly for the job.

"I've an idea,Lets get the guy we sacked ten years who wasn't good enough at the time and has done sweet ****all since then."

Francie Barrett

Hoddle won't get the job.

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

It didn't do Alan Shearer any harm.

Shearer was a fantastic CF regardless of how many pens he scored

Dolph Starbeam

rarnes1 wrote: »

Shearer was a fantastic CF regardless of how many pens he scored

And so is Soldado regardless of how he has started out at Spurs, he has been one of the best strikers in Spain over the last 10 years. Anyone who thinks he is a dud clearly knows very little about the game.

YayaBanana

YayaBanana wrote: »

And so is Soldado regardless of how he has started out at Spurs, he has been one of the best strikers in Spain over the last 10 years. Anyone who thinks he is a dud clearly knows very little about the game.

I imagine most people are just looking at his record for Spurs. It's not a given he'll succeed in the premiership

GavRedKing

rarnes1 wrote: »

I imagine most people are just looking at his record for Spurs. It's not a given he'll succeed in the premiership

Better players, with greater records have been duds in the EPL.