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Advertised Storage not available storage

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    #62
    aN.Droid
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    hognef wrote: »
    And furniture is generally not fixed (as opposed to walls), and is also generally put in by the owner rather than the builder, so not at all comparable.

    You can move the furniture, you can also install a smaller android image on the phone. Very comparable.


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    #63
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    The size of windows changes every week. The size of Android changes about monthly. How would it be practical to advertise all of these.

    Also available storage space is different even on the same phone for each different network.


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    #64
    hognef
    Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭hognef


    Limericks wrote: »
    You can move the furniture, you can also install a smaller android image on the phone. Very comparable.

    The furniture doesn't tend to come preinstalled, does it? Either way, it's somewhat more straightforward for the average consumer to move furniture than it is to install an alternative Android image, don't you think? And you won't generally invalidate any warranty or lose support by moving furniture, will you?


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    #65
    hognef
    Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭hognef


    GarIT wrote: »
    The size of windows changes every week. The size of Android changes about monthly. How would it be practical to advertise all of these.

    Also available storage space is different even on the same phone for each different network.

    Example: Vodafone ad - "As of dd/mm/yyy (alternatively 'version x.x') the available storage space is at least (or 'roughly') y.y GB".

    Covers most angles, and is much more useful than the current situation.


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    #66
    aN.Droid
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    hognef wrote: »
    The furniture doesn't tend to come preinstalled, does it? Either way, it's somewhat more straightforward for the average consumer to move furniture than it is to install an alternative Android image, don't you think? And you won't generally invalidate any warranty or lose support by moving furniture, will you?

    I am sorry but the furniture analogy has gone as far as it can go. A smartphone is a very sophisticated piece of equipment.

    As has been stated over and over again the manufacturer cannot guarantee any available space as it differs from country to country (localisation) and network to network.

    Updates take up space. You browser cache takes up space. Swap takes up space. Among many other variables.

    It is just impossible for them to tell you the available space because then in 90% of situations they WILL be misleading and advertising falsely.

    Phones are advertised with a total capacity and that is what you get. It only seems misleading if you do not understand this. It is industry standard.


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    #67
    gctest50
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    hognef wrote: »
    Example: Vodafone ad - "As of dd/mm/yyy (alternatively 'version x.x') the available storage space is at least (or 'roughly') y.y GB".

    Covers most angles, and is much more useful than the current situation.

    Nah - someone would try and find some effort of a loophole

    Sell them as having "no useable internal storage at all" - must buy SD card or whatever it takes


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    #68
    hognef
    Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭hognef


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Nah - someone would try and find some effort of a loophole

    Sell them as having "no useable internal storage at all" - must buy SD card or whatever it takes

    If that's what they end up doing, then good luck to them.

    And your "Don't introduce laws, as someone might look for a loophole"
    argument could be used against any legislation...


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    #69
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,602 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    hognef wrote: »
    Example: Vodafone ad - "As of dd/mm/yyy (alternatively 'version x.x') the available storage space is at least (or 'roughly') y.y GB".

    Covers most angles, and is much more useful than the current situation.
    Lets just say you get the phone from vodafone and as soon as you connect to a network there is a major update waiting for the OS as well as some of the providers own software updates........
    Can the consumer take the retailer.......or vodafone.........or the manufacture to court as the actual available storage was only correct at the time of switching on the phone?

    It's completely pointless and unworkable as well as costly and if its costly to any one in the chain above the customer you know that the customer will pay for it.
    And you know what, I dont really feel like paying extra for the absolute stupidy and laziness of those that simply "dont get it".


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    #70
    aN.Droid
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    hognef wrote: »
    Example: Vodafone ad - "As of dd/mm/yyy (alternatively 'version x.x') the available storage space is at least (or 'roughly') y.y GB".

    Covers most angles, and is much more useful than the current situation.

    That opens up many more issues.

    For instance. Advert comes out stating that x amount of space is available on y date. However the day after an update is released which actually end up taking much more space. You are then back at square one. Having less space than expected.

    It cannot be helped. The fairest way is the way it is already done. The device is advertised with something it has. Your way would be an advertisement for a variable that changes rapidly even if you do put a notation with the date of accuracy / validity.


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    #71
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    A very clear comparison is that an engine never holds the advertised amount of liquid. Once you take account for pistions and whatever else you engine holds much less than the 2l advertised.


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    #72
    hognef
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    Limericks wrote: »
    That opens up many more issues.

    For instance. Advert comes out stating that x amount of space is available on y date. However the day after an update is released which actually end up taking much more space. You are then back at square one. Having less space than expected.

    It cannot be helped. The fairest way is the way it is already done. The device is advertised with something it has. Your way would be an advertisement for a variable that changes rapidly even if you do put a notation with the date of accuracy / validity.

    Updates don't generally take up 'much more' space. The available space can simply be 'under-advertised' by a few hundred MB. The problem here is not 3.4 GB vs 3.1 GB, it's 4 GB vs 1 GB. Also, laws don't always have to be completely black or white.


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    #73
    rock22
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    I find it extraordinary that so many posters here, on the Consumer forum, would argue against giving the consumer the maximum amount of information to inform a purchase.
    Any data storage item can be advertised as " at least xxGB available to the user"
    That way the user can make realistic comparisons. If a manufacturer wants to load lots of "free apps" they can provide links and allow the user to decide what they really want on their device and download only those apps useful to them.

    The consumer can never have too much information!


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    #74
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,602 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    rock22 wrote: »
    I find it extraordinary that so many posters here, on the Consumer forum, would argue against giving the consumer the maximum amount of information to inform a purchase.
    Any data storage item can be advertised as " at least xxGB available to the user"
    That way the user can make realistic comparisons. If a manufacturer wants to load lots of "free apps" they can provide links and allow the user to decide what they really want on their device and download only those apps useful to them.

    The consumer can never have too much information!

    The average consumer hasnt gotten a clue tbf. Whether the info is provided or not.
    Would you invisage the change in practice apply to all devices with storage?
    Again aint happy paying for the stupidity of others.
    This whole providing the consumer with the maximum information is both impractical and illogical on many levels.


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