limerick city of sub culture

johnmolloy554

vkid wrote: »

As it is being spent currently, i think it is a complete waste of tax payers money and would prefer to see it diverted into something actually beneficial to the city, like the Opera Centre site. If the city is to get money from the tax payer at all, i'd prefer it used for the city centre which is a kip, where it comes from is moot to the point really.

Again, you miss the point. The City of Culture budget is only available for Limerick as the City of Culture in 2014. My point was we have secured it and it will be spent in Limerick in 2014.

Your other points of Limerick city centre being a kip are not really highlighting anything new and do not add anything relevant to your point.

€253m was allocated to Limerick Regeneration over a 10 year period in Budget 2013. UL has secured funding worth over €200m from the EIB. There is supposed to be an announcement soon on the proposed funding of the Limerick 2030 plan. These funding elements are being used to address the core problem of the City Centre.

The €6m for the City of Culture has been given to us by Noonan. I'm not happy with the way some of it is being spent, but I'm not cultural by any means. We shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth but as I said in a previous post, if 1/3 of the activity of 2014 is repeated in 2015, it will put the City on a more positive Artistic pedestal.

vkid

johnmolloy554 wrote: »

Again, you miss the point. The City of Culture budget is only available for Limerick as the City of Culture in 2014. My point was we have secured it and it will be spent in Limerick in 2014.

Your other points of Limerick city centre being a kip are not really highlighting anything new and do not add anything relevant to your point.

€253m was allocated to Limerick Regeneration over a 10 year period in Budget 2013. UL has secured funding worth over €200m from the EIB. There is supposed to be an announcement soon on the proposed funding of the Limerick 2030 plan. These funding elements are being used to address the core problem of the City Centre.

The €6m for the City of Culture has been given to us by Noonan. I'm not happy with the way some of it is being spent, but I'm not cultural by any means. We shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth but as I said in a previous post, if 1/3 of the activity of 2014 is repeated in 2015, it will put the City on a more positive Artistic pedestal.

Again, I do not care what budget the money came from or where it would have went had Limerick not been given this project. I personally think any money coming into the city should be used for other things first than this particular project. The city centre is a disgrace. Its a like a ghetto in parts and needs to be addressed...and for my mind that is one of many many things that should be a priority before any money spent on art exhibitions and the like.

marienbad

vkid wrote: »

Again, I do not care what budget the money came from or where it would have went had Limerick not been given this project. I personally think any money coming into the city should be used for other things first than this particular project. The city centre is a disgrace. Its a like a ghetto in parts and needs to be addressed...and for my mind that is one of many many things that should be a priority before any money spent on art exhibitions and the like.

That is not the point , laudable thought it may be , We are given this money to spend on culture and nothing else.

bigpink

So what happened at the public meeting friday night?

jbkenn

bigpink wrote: »

So what happened at the public meeting friday night?

Nothing, the meeting is being held on Friday the 17th. I would suggest some of the keyboard warriors on here could do worse than attend, might enlighten them somewhat.

marienbad

jbkenn wrote: »

Nothing, the meeting is being held on Friday the 17th. I would suggest some of the keyboard warriors on here could do worse than attend, might enlighten them somewhat.

Might I ask, as politely as I can, how do you define/identify these keyboard warriors and what makes you not one ?

jbkenn

marienbad wrote: »

Might I ask, as politely as I can, how do you define/identify these keyboard warriors and what makes you not one ?

Simply, I was at the original meeting, and was witness to what transpired, I am not a member of the "Arts Community" just an ordinary citizen, and, as an ordinary citizen I am eternally grateful to Ritchie Ryan for calling the original meeting and enabling the exercising of citizen democracy, forcing City Hall to backpeddle and explain themselves, something they have never done before, and, I doubt, will ever do again.

vkid

marienbad wrote: »

That is not the point , laudable thought it may be , We are given this money to spend on culture and nothing else.

It is exactly the point when addressing how peoples tax money is being spent. Be it the arts, the roads or whatever else it comes from central funds / taxation and Limerick and the country in general have better things to be doing than blowing 6m on a make-upey city of culture.To be honest, I'd also like to know how Limerick was appointed this title and what the selection criteria were...as many would.

lufties

vkid wrote: »

It is exactly the point when addressing how peoples tax money is being spent. Be it the arts, the roads or whatever else it comes from central funds / taxation and Limerick and the country in general have better things to be doing than blowing 6m on a make-upey city of culture.To be honest, I'd also like to know how Limerick was appointed this title and what the selection criteria were...as many would.

Its just a way of promoting limerick nationally and internationally. Its got a battering in the media in recent years and anything that can improve the image of the city should be welcomed.

marienbad

jbkenn wrote: »

Simply, I was at the original meeting, and was witness to what transpired, I am not a member of the "Arts Community" just an ordinary citizen, and, as an ordinary citizen I am eternally grateful to Ritchie Ryan for calling the original meeting and enabling the exercising of citizen democracy, forcing City Hall to backpeddle and explain themselves, something they have never done before, and, I doubt, will ever do again.

So how does that make others keyboard warriors then ?

marienbad

vkid wrote: »

It is exactly the point when addressing how peoples tax money is being spent. Be it the arts, the roads or whatever else it comes from central funds / taxation and Limerick and the country in general have better things to be doing than blowing 6m on a make-upey city of culture.To be honest, I'd also like to know how Limerick was appointed this title and what the selection criteria were...as many would.

If I had my way there would be no such thing as sports grants, culture grants, language grants, etc until every child was housed fed and educated .

But I don't so if the powers that be have decided the this 6 million must be spent on culture and only culture then why not Limerick ?

vkid

lufties wrote: »

Its just a way of promoting limerick nationally and internationally. Its got a battering in the media in recent years and anything that can improve the image of the city should be welcomed.

Well the CoC is not exactly achieving that so far is it? In the papers again this morning, for the wrong reasons.

lufties

vkid wrote: »

Well the CoC is not exactly achieving that so far is it? In the papers again this morning, for the wrong reasons.

I would say the right reasons if it highlights cronyism, but that is just my opinion.

Baaaaaaaaaaaa:D

marienbad

vkid wrote: »

Well the CoC is not exactly achieving that so far is it? In the papers again this morning, for the wrong reasons.

What has happened now ?

phog

Anyone here at Riverdance last night? How did that go?

Kess73

Don't know how last night's performance was, but my lovely other half is going to it tonight with her sister.

Poxyshamrock

I heard it was excellent! It got a standing ovation at the end! There was a great buzz out in UL yesterday evening as well!

Itsdacraic

Sums up this place pretty well.

Major event goes well, not a peep out of anyone.
If there had been a minor problem with the bar arrangements or production, then you'd have all the usual suspects piling in to offer their "well informed" opinions and slating the people involved.

bigpink

I dont think Riverdance was ever going to fail or have problems they are international touring event.Ul was being used and there is a promoter involved

Itsdacraic

bigpink wrote: »

I dont think Riverdance was ever going to fail or have problems they are international touring event.Ul was being used and there is a promoter involved

But I'm sure you'd have been on hand to let us know if so something had gone wrong. You must be a bit disappointed this morning.

marienbad

Itsdacraic wrote: »

Sums up this place pretty well.

Major event goes well, not a peep out of anyone.
If there had been a minor problem with the bar arrangements or production, then you'd have all the usual suspects piling in to offer their "well informed" opinions and slating the people involved.

and there you are complaining about no one complaining, does that make you one of the 'usual suspects' as you call them

Widescreen

Myself and other half there last night. Absolutely fantastic show, superb dancers, fantastic musicians, sound quality perfect, venue handled itself very well!

Before the show I wondered how what began as a eurovision interval act had been so successful for 20 years-now I know!

Lets get more gigs to this superb venue!

P.S One small gripe- the seats could have been more comfortable:rolleyes:

Itsdacraic

marienbad wrote: »

and there you are complaining about no one complaining, does that make you one of the 'usual suspects' as you call them

No, I wasn't complaining I was making a point. Big difference.

marienbad

Itsdacraic wrote: »

No, I wasn't complaining I was making a point. Big difference.

No you are just complaining , you must be disappointed this morning .

jcon1913

bigpink wrote: »

I dont think Riverdance was ever going to fail or have problems they are international touring event.Ul was being used and there is a promoter involved

If you've nothing positive to say then leave it at that, you're one of the first in with the negatives, as pointed out by other posters here.

iora_rua

What's the parking situation like for Riverdance? The thought of trying to find a space when 2k or so other people will be doing the same thing is a bit daunting! :eek: Is there anywhere local to have a decent meal beforehand - a park and ride ... any other suggestions out there please?

Great to hear that it's a good show and really looking forward to seeing it. I remember the original appearance all those years ago and how fantastic it was.

phog

iora_rua wrote: »

What's the parking situation like for Riverdance? The thought of trying to find a space when 2k or so other people will be doing the same thing is a bit daunting! :eek: Is there anywhere local to have a decent meal beforehand - a park and ride ... any other suggestions out there please?

Great to hear that it's a good show and really looking forward to seeing it. I remember the original appearance all those years ago and how fantastic it was.

You could try parking in the church car park outside the "back gate" which is reasonably close to the Sports Arena.

Not sure about places to eat that side of town. Azur near Barrington's could be an option and may do an early bird menu.

Totally Tropical

After a shaky opening the wheels are back on the wagon and the silence from the doom and gloom merchants is deafening!You wouldn't mind constructive criticism but these people that make it their single and sole duty to run Limerick into the ground at every available opportunity just make your blood boil.As an earlier post said if there was a fault with the air conditioning at the riverdance event or if the beer was not served at the right temperature then the moaners and the begrudgers would be pounding their keyboards into submission right now!Were not even in February yet so this event can still be made a success.

Totally Tropical

bigpink wrote: »

I dont think Riverdance was ever going to fail or have problems they are international touring event.Ul was being used and there is a promoter involved

Or when an event goes well they will still snipe and moan regardless!

flutered

finnigans is out near there, fast service, always nearly full good food, clean jacks, the kilmurry lodge is also out that way, again good food always a crowd there as well plenty parking, within walking distance if the evening is fine.

maryk123

I was at riverdance last night and fantastic night. From parking to seating to drinks, shop everything moved at great pace. No delays. Seating excellent. No overpricing. No traffic delays. Limerick city of culture should be extremely proud to bring this show to limerick and I can't wait to se if more shows come. Well done to everyone involved.

Munstermad

Was at Riverdance on Friday Night, WOW!. Listening to Bill Whelan commenting on the CoC s rocky start in the opening minutes, and how that was all now behind us, and then praising and reminiscing about Limerick city really started the evening off well, you could almost touch the pride in the room. Bill is a legend!
Then the show began, Holy God it was fantastic!!! The music the dancing, the thrilling atmosphere and humour throughout were just amazing, one of those hair standing on the back of your neck performances...

If this is a taste of what's yet to come the scars of CoC past will soon be healed... Bring it on!

Kess73

The OH was singing it's praises yesterday when I got back to Ireland. She went to Friday night's show and her take was that everything went very very well. From how the parking was laid out to the show itself all got her seal of approval and then some.

Going by her comments, and those on here, it certainly sounds like it was a massive success on every level.

Dumdum McCarthy

I just passed Thomond Park a while ago,i noticed that there is a banner showcasing the National City of Culture 2014,To me it looked like it was just thrown over the edge of the stand at the last minute for last Sundays match.It looks too small and out of place to me.With the quater final of the Hcup in April i wonder could they ask Thomond Park Stadium officials could they use a section of the stand with a decent sized banner or maybe commision a local artist to do it.A sign similar to what they did on the gable of the terrace on the Mayorstone end Galtee i think is the sponsor and they probably paid alot for the space.

bigpink

Hope Riverdance and the launch concert weren't there big guns with the budget spent

magma69

Munsterman35 wrote: »

<SNIP>

A first post with an inflammatory accusation against a guy involved in Limerick arts all his life.

You're in a great position to accuse someone of a personal agenda. :pac:

Toffeeboy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/city-of-culture-job-still-hasnt-been-advertised-30034066.html

Silentcorner

Toffeeboy wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/city-of-culture-job-still-hasnt-been-advertised-30034066.html

I see the appetite for the destruction of the credibility of LCOC is alive and well in the indo.

Is anybody in this country unaware of the cronyism in this debacle.

Was the media storm they created at that the begininng of the year not enough?

Has the damage that particular newspaper done to this city over the last 15-20 years not enough?

This whole debacle has me with nothing but disdain for our political establishment.

I have nothing but disdain for the Dublin media and in particular Barry Duggan and the Indo.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

I see the appetite for the destruction of the credibility of LCOC is alive and well in the indo.

Is anybody in this country unaware of the cronyism in this debacle.

Was the media storm they created at that the begininng of the year not enough?

Has the damage that particular newspaper done to this city over the last 15-20 years not enough?

This whole debacle has me with nothing but disdain for our political establishment.

I have nothing but disdain for the Dublin media and in particular Barry Duggan and the Indo.

Is any of this Indo report untrue ?

seachto7

That article doesn't matter. The clique will get their hands on the money anyway.
How much did it cost to make that song for Limerick video does anyone know?

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

Is any of this Indo report untrue ?

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

CatFromHue

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

Should the Indo just not report on the negative things that happen?

You can give out about the Indo and the "Dublin Media" all you want but if what's happening is true.................

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is irrelevant.


They are relentlessly discrediting the entire event, bear in mind that the European City of Culture in 2020 has yet to be decided (it will be an Irish City, and as both Dublin and Cork have already been /ECOCs it is between Limerick/Galway/Waterford) this damage will be enough to ensure that it won't be going to Limerick.

I could point to similar machinations during the Cork/Derry City of Cultures but that would just pit me v you

What the Dublin press do is very cunning, instead of getting bogged down on the individual stories, take a 12 month view of the narrative the Dublin Media pursue, it is predominantly negative. Multiply that 12 months by 15-20 years of a similar negative agenda and you may begin to understand the damage these people have done.

I shudder to think of the negative media campaign we again will suffer from during the upcoming Wayne Dundon trial.

Look, it is a bout time we lost the chip on the shoulder poor me attitude. Stop having f&*K ups and they will stop reporting them.

There is no Indo agenda here .

Silentcorner

CatFromHue wrote: »

Should the Indo just not report on the negative things that happen?

You can give out about the Indo and the "Dublin Media" all you want but if what's happening is true.................

......and what happens when it is true of elsewhere and is not reported with the same gusto?

The Gathering 2013 (and old FG party hack if memory serves me right) had a political appointment...where was that media storm...it was reported but nearly as aggressively as LCOC, as already stated the same debacle happened in Derry last year and Cork before that...where were those media storms?

I single out the Dublin media because The Irish Examiner did not pursue the same agenda (by and large), I would love to be defending the Dublin media but what is happening to this city is true...it has been stigmatized beyond recognition...

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

Look, it is a bout time we lost the chip on the shoulder poor me attitude. Stop having f&*K ups and they will stop reporting them.

There is no Indo agenda here .

Believe me I have no chip on my shoulder, life is too short, I would hate to see any other part of any country receive the same treatment we have received, therefore all I ask is that we are treated like everywhere else...am I asking too much.

This country is stacked to high heaven with f**k ups like this, maybe if our beloved media were as aggressive with every other f**k up as they were with this one the establishment wouldn't get away with it.

The Indo have only ever had an agenda...it is a newspaper after all...and I don't care what you or anyone else thinks, I know enough about media manipulation to know we are being done up like kippers.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

......and what happens when it is true of elsewhere and is not reported with the same gusto?

The Gathering 2013 (and old FG party hack if memory serves me right) had a political appointment...where was that media storm...it was reported but nearly as aggressively as LCOC, as already stated the same debacle happened in Derry last year and Cork before that...where were those media storms?

I single out the Dublin media because The Irish Examiner did not pursue the same agenda (by and large), I would love to be defending the Dublin media but what is happening to this city is true...it has been stigmatized beyond recognition...

You need to take off the provincial glasses . If we continue to supply newsworthy stories the papers will print them , including the Examiner.

If we continue to produce such gangland figures they will report them .Do you really expect otherwise ? And in all fairness they don't need to embellish those stories . Lets accept some local responsibility and stop shooting the messenger

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

You need to take off the provincial glasses . If we continue to supply newsworthy stories the papers will print them , including the Examiner.

If we continue to produce such gangland figures they will report them .Do you really expect otherwise ? And in all fairness they don't need to embellish those stories . Lets accept some local responsibility and stop shooting the messenger

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

marienbad

Silentcorner wrote: »

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

It is just provincialism, other places get just the same coverage if they provide newsworthy issues. You just don't take as much notice and why would you .

We have a reputation, do we deserve it ? What do you think.

Lets focus more on cleaning up the city and less on sanitising the papers.

Silentcorner

marienbad wrote: »

It is just provincialism, other places get just the same coverage if they provide newsworthy issues. You just don't take as much notice and why would you .

We have a reputation, do we deserve it ? What do you think.

Lets focus more on cleaning up the city and less on sanitising the papers.

I am still unclear what you mean by provincialism?

Other places (Derry and Cork) provided the exact same newsworthy content, in the exact same situation....they did not get same coverage/news content as Limerick did not even close....does that make me paranoid, or suffering from a chip on my shoulder, or provincialism (whatever that is)?

Or are you simply incapable of seeing past any media agenda?

We have a reputation as a result of this media agenda, do we deserve it...lets check out what our students think

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057109121

There is work to be done in this city, there are massive social issues, unemployment etc...it would be a lot easier to tackle those issues without the Dublin media (it would not be fair to include the Examiner or BBC ) taking every opportunity to kick us.

seachto7

Silentcorner wrote: »

Provincial Glasses? Do they come with a chip on the shoulder?...Seriously don't throw meaningless cliches at me, disagree with me by all means, you can start by showing me the media storms in the other Cities where the exact same thing happened...

The stories aren't embellished, but the longer those stories stay in the press the more damage they do...like I said this is very cunning, it makes the objectors seem paranoid.

I said, all I ask is that we get treated the same as everywhere else, that means covering gangland crime, cronyism etc etc...to the VERY same degree as everywhere else....here to fore that has not happened.

So where has the Indo reported the City of Vultures fiasco inaccurately?