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Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread
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Yes, because he didn't start his career in the fastest car on the grid?
And missed becoming the first ever rookie world champion by a single point. Seems to me he had the skillset to get results out of the car, I think referring to that as 'luck' is seriously reaching. Especially considering he had been part of the McLaren young driver program for several years beforehand, & quite clearly ticked all the boxes enough for them to give him a chance.Funny how quickly Hamilton blinkered fanboys forget his bouts of good luck too.
He has got good luck. The season finale in Brazil, '08 was incredible. When the Toyota failed, promoting Hamilton from 6th to 5th, it handed him a world title. Good luck? Yes, very much so. Some might argue though, that if the gearbox in his car hadn't cost him a massive amount of time mid-race, he wouldn't have needed the good luck towards the end. Personally, I find Hamilton is usually up against it, rather than things balancing out for him. He can be his own worst enemy at times too, however if I had to bet on which Merc will dnf next, I'll bet on #44...every.single.time.Moving from McLaren to Merc? Also luck.
Talk about blinkers
Do you think Merc wanted him because he was an ok driver? Or a good driver maybe? They wanted him because he can deliver. He has won almost double the races Nico has this season in equal performing cars..this is why he was pursued by Mercedes & offered a seat. Was he expecting them to be so competitive so quickly? No, of course not...who was. But again, at the end of the day, he has the skillset to get results out of the car, regardless. Luck isn't a factor here.OK, he made a brave decision, no doubt, but no one knew that a year later he'd be in one of the 2 quickest cars by far on the grid also. He's had bad luck in races but good luck in career moves.
The best drivers in the world need good luck. Look at Senna. How crappy luck was his move to Williams? Fastest car by far, he signs up, rule change = crappiest car on the grid.
Luck is a factor overall, without a doubt, but I think it'd be mostly Hamilton hating people would argue it's on his side, or in any way balances out. To balance things out this season, Nico needs what, another two DNF's, or is it one? Alongside a full haul of points for Hamilton into the bargain.0 -
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Not great for the first few races is my point. He ended up dying in the first third of the season in that crappy car. Whatever it was like as the season went on is irrelevant as far as Senna's luck was concerned.When was this, 94?
HILL in the Williams lost the championship by a point and williams won half the races. Hardly the crappiest car on the grid. Not great for the first few races but still.
He was part of the McLaren young driver program alright, but that in itself is lucky enough, there wasn't many programs around back then, there are a lot more now.And missed becoming the first ever rookie world champion by a single point. Seems to me he had the skillset to get results out of the car, I think referring to that as 'luck' is seriously reaching. Especially considering he had been part of the McLaren young driver program for several years beforehand, & quite clearly ticked all the boxes enough for them to give him a chance.
And timing is everything. I'm not for a second arguing here that Hamilton doesn't have the skill. I'm arguing the point that ALL drivers need luck. Hamilton was within a point of the title in his rookie season for two reasons, he was a quick guy and the car was quick. If he was born 3 years later the McLaren F1 car that he would have been in for his rookie season would have been a dog. He should know that better than anyone. He complained about it over the radio enough!!
Maybe you're right about the gearbox, but maybe Massa's engine blowing up a few races earlier when he had a massive lead helped too, either way, he was unlucky not to win in his rookie year, a tiny bit lucky to win the following one, 1 out of 2 on balance is fair.He has got good luck. The season finale in Brazil, '08 was incredible. When the Toyota failed, promoting Hamilton from 6th to 5th, it handed him a world title. Good luck? Yes, very much so. Some might argue though, that if the gearbox in his car hadn't cost him a massive amount of time mid-race, he wouldn't have needed the good luck towards the end. Personally, I find Hamilton is usually up against it, rather than things balancing out for him. He can be his own worst enemy at times too, however if I had to bet on which Merc will dnf next, I'll bet on #44...every.single.time.
And regarding betting on 44 for reliability this year, yep, I'd agree this year no question.
Again, I stress - Merc wanted him because he's one of the quickest. No one is questioning that. My point about luck is the timing of the move. Bailed out of a team that looked a bit more promising than they turned out to be and into a team that were better than they promised to be. That's lucky timing, no one thought 2 years ago when it was announced that he'd have such a good car this season.Talk about blinkers Do you think Merc wanted him because he was an ok driver? Or a good driver maybe? They wanted him because he can deliver. He has won almost double the races Nico has this season in equal performing cars..this is why he was pursued by Mercedes & offered a seat. Was he expecting them to be so competitive so quickly? No, of course not...who was. But again, at the end of the day, he has the skillset to get results out of the car, regardless. Luck isn't a factor here.
My original post which was rubbished, was to contradict the post stating that if Hamilton won this year with Merc, then moved to Ferrari and won with them it would prove that he is the best driver of all time.Luck is a factor overall, without a doubt, but I think it'd be mostly Hamilton hating people would argue it's on his side, or in any way balances out. To balance things out this season, Nico needs what, another two DNF's, or is it one? Alongside a full haul of points for Hamilton into the bargain.
The reason I'm contradicting that is because it's a nonsense statement. Hamilton might be the best driver of all time, but number of championship wins or amount of teams won with doesn't matter -that part takes a lot of luck. I stand by that statement.
Example? Hill is a World Champion, Kubica is not. Is Hill better? Not in his dreams.0 -
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