Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

smellslikeshoes

Sparks43 wrote: »

Anyone reckon that us mere f1 cretins could pick up something small from this?

Horrible to see the photos and think of the carcass picking that will ensue:mad:

They've so much to get through I doubt they would be auctioning anything small on it's own, would be mostly in large lots I imagine.

v3ttel

aphex™ wrote: »

Bet he just wanted to drive the V8 again.

Back to baby tantrums and whinging with the V6 at the next testing session I suppose.

With the clear deficit that Renault and Ferrari had this year, I think you'd struggle to find a non-Mercedes powered driver that was happy with their power unit.

Although, it was more likely just a chance to have a cheap childish dig at Vettel rather than any sort of reasonable point.

mickdw

Sparks43 wrote: »

Anyone reckon that us mere f1 cretins could pick up something small from this?

Horrible to see the photos and think of the carcass picking that will ensue:mad:

Slightly of topic and not so relevant given that the murussia is not at the front of the grid but is there a restriction on where current f1 chassis can go or who can buy them. Given the testing limits imposed on teams, surely access to chassis should be controlled or at least subject to inspection while still current.

Zcott

When does the 2015 thread make an appearance?

Frank Bullitt

Slightly off topic, but the noise of this thing is simply stunning, and reminds me of an F1 car at full tilt from the 90s.

So there you have it, you can indeed make a small engine sounds amazing. F1 engine makers, take note.

_rebelkid

Korea might return in 2015, double points is dropped and the Super Licence age limit will increase. Meanwhile, the FIA Accident Panel release their report on Bianchi's Crash.

dloob

_rebelkid wrote: »

Korea might return in 2015, double points is dropped and the Super Licence age limit will increase. Meanwhile, the FIA Accident Panel release their report on Bianchi's Crash.

There won't be any more kids without a driving licence driving F1 cars with the over 18 and valid driving licence requirement.
Does that mean if a driver loses their driving licence they could lose their super licence?

Frank Bullitt

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/ferrari-in-2014/

Great read on the stuff going on at Ferrari.

AMKC

When are Mclaren realising there driver line-up for next year. It was supposed to be the 1st then the 3rd and they still have not. It disgracefull of them. Anyone no anything about this. Has Button said anything lately. I really think they should keep him.
Am delighted to see the Korean race is back on for next year I quite enjoy the races at tha track.

mickdw

AMKC wrote: »

When are Mclaren realising there driver line-up for next year. It was supposed to be the 1st then the 3rd and they still have not. It disgracefull of them. Anyone no anything about this. Has Button said anything lately. I really think they should keep him.
Am delighted to see the Korean race is back on for next year I quite enjoy the races at tha track.

Have not heard anything. Was expecting announcement today. It is a disgrace. Getting seriously pissed at McLaren myself. I can only imagine how button feels.

Ghost Train

_rebelkid wrote: »

Meanwhile, the FIA Accident Panel release their report on Bianchi's Crash.

The brake by wire note is a bit concerning, not clear how much of factor it was but if car doesn't respond as driver would expect it's not good. With high engine torque wonder with both brake and throttle applied which would win out

7. During the 2 seconds Bianchi’s car was leaving the track and traversing the run-off area, he applied both throttle and brake together, using both feet. The FailSafe algorithm is designed to over-ride the throttle and cut the engine, but was inhibited by the Torque Coordinator, which controls the rear Brake-by-Wire system. Bianchi’s Marussia has a unique design of BBW, which proved to be incompatible with the FailSafe settings.

8. The fact that the FailSafe did not disqualify the engine torque requested by the driver may have affected the impact velocity; it has not been possible to reliably quantify this. However, it may be that Bianchi was distracted by what was happening and the fact that his front wheels had locked, and been unable to steer the car such that it missed the crane.

Ghost Train

AMKC wrote: »

When are Mclaren realising there driver line-up for next year. It was supposed to be the 1st then the 3rd and they still have not. It disgracefull of them. Anyone no anything about this. Has Button said anything lately. I really think they should keep him.

boardmeeting is tomorrow I think

mickdw

I don't quite buy that bianchi basically stamped on both pedals continually as he headed for his accident.
Surely it must have been a case of him attempting to rotate the rear of the car or something by spinning the wheels as he slid across the grass.

challengemaster

mickdw wrote: »

I don't quite buy that bianchi basically stamped on both pedals continually as he headed for his accident.

It wasn't driver error or that he panicked - Stamping on both pedals is how you're supposed to activate the failsafe

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/accident-panel-releases-findings-of-bianchi-s-f1-crash-120314 wrote:

The report adds that Bianchi applied both throttle and brake at the same time while spinning off track which should have caused the FailSafe algorithm to cut the throttle and the engine, but that Marussia’s BBW system was not compatible with the FailSafe settings.

mickdw

I think you are reading that wrong. The failsafe would be in there to ensure that the brake overrides all else and would be very useful in the case of a failed throttle switch or Some such that would mistakenly give full throttle.
I think they are saying that for some unknown reason Bianchi was pressing both pedals and due to some quirk in the system, the failsafe didn't work and resoled in some increased speed at accident site.
They are not saying that the driver should stamp on both pedals in case of emergency. That would be just silly.

Tea 1000

mickdw wrote: »

I think you are reading that wrong. The failsafe would be in there to ensure that the brake overrides all else and would be very useful in the case of a failed throttle switch or Some such that would mistakenly give full throttle.
I think they are saying that for some unknown reason Bianchi was pressing both pedals and due to some quirk in the system, the failsafe didn't work and resoled in some increased speed at accident site.
They are not saying that the driver should stamp on both pedals in case of emergency. That would be just silly.

Would it not be a case though where if a driver is gone off the track and heading to a wall, the default position would be to brace yourself using your legs? Which in an F1 car would only mean feet on both pedals, as there isn't room for anything else? Which might be why the FailSafe is designed to do what it does.

The by-wire controls are leading to more software BS that was meant to be gone with the standardised engine mappings and the like. Pity.

Sterling Archer

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Your supposed to put your arms crossed on your chest but I never remember to do it. Always end up trying to steer yourself out of trouble even if you don't have any front wheels!

Example A, Your honour

Ghost Train

:rolleyes: no McLaren driver news today

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/319938/no-decision-on-mclaren-line-up-at-meeting/

Thursday's meeting in Woking was seen as the point at which McLaren's future line-up would be finalised, but a spokesman has confirmed that no agreement has been reached.

"Today's board meeting has now concluded, and no decision has been taken with regard to our 2015 driver line-up," said the spokesman.

LEIN

Ghost Train wrote: »

:rolleyes: no McLaren driver news today

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/319938/no-decision-on-mclaren-line-up-at-meeting/

I don't care any more, I'd say the line-up has well been chosen by now.

They're just keeping the team name in the news and doing a very good job of it.

wobbles

McLaren's antics regarding drivers the last 2 years is appalling. The drivers should know if they have a job next year or not. Being booted out last minute means no other F1 seats are available. Could even struggle to get a good drive in another series.

Myrddin

2015 thread up & running folks - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057338880

Zcott

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll call it now, Ferrari won't be in the top 3 constructors next year. Even with those 2 drivers I have a feeling the car is going to be really rubbish.

Zcott wrote: »

Can we quote you on this at the end of the season? ;-)

And you were right!

Zcott

Zcott wrote: »

And you were right!

Have you a handy link to that post? I knew the engine was gonna be ****e but still, I thought McLaren would be ahead of them. :P

Let it never be said that I'm intransigent. Even though I was right I'm still insisting that I was accidentally wrong. :pac:

Zcott

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you a handy link to that post? I knew the engine was gonna be ****e but still, I thought McLaren would be ahead of them. :P

It's on the third page of this thread. Good fun going back and reading through all our preseason talk, some gems there.

GTE

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you a handy link to that post? I knew the engine was gonna be ****e but still, I thought McLaren would be ahead of them. :P

The wee blue arrow after the name in the quote box brings you back to quoted post, if that is what you're after.

Mike Litoris

challengemaster

Not to keep dragging up the old thread, but I suppose it is still 2014 season related... and it's likely to get swept under the rug with the Mclaren team announcements


Jules Bianchi is stable and has been moved back to France
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/10/father-critically-injured-f1-driver-jules-bianchi-is-now-stable-back-in-his-native-france/?

bbability

OK we have the jensen news in 3 threads. Lets keep 2015 news in the correct thread

aphex™

Before this thread is closed I thought I would post this behind the scenes video of Alonso congratulating Hamilton on his WC 2014 win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqv_zlzkrzM

GarIT

OSI wrote: »

Marussia's simulator up for sale.

http://auctionhq.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/91/lot/38924/?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F91%2F
(I really hope this is a joke)

It looks real but I doubt that they spent 1.5k on their simulator, given the millions that go into the sport, it can't be what they were actually using.

PopePalpatine

OSI wrote: »

Marussia's simulator up for sale.

http://auctionhq.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/91/lot/38924/?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F91%2F
(I really hope this is a joke)

It looks as if they're using rFactor, I just wonder if the bigger teams have bespoke simulator software or just use a mod.

ScumLord

OSI wrote: »

Marussia's simulator up for sale.

http://auctionhq.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/91/lot/38924/?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F91%2F
(I really hope this is a joke)

It would do the trick for rFactor, although it's not even good consumer tech. My simulator would have superior tech compared to that, it's the very minimum you'd need to have a good sim experience. The base that it's all sitting on is probably the most expensive part of that entire setup.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

It looks as if they're using rFactor, I just wonder if the bigger teams have bespoke simulator software or just use a mod.

As far as I know there's a pro version of rFactor that most race teams use. It's old software these days so it's probably not even all that resource hungry, although they're probably simulating more stuff in the car than your average consumer sim.

antodeco

Can someone explain rFactor to me? I was thinking of building a simulator, but just use the F1 game as mode

Ghost Train

Maybe just the fact it's portable makes it worth something, not meant to be full on simulator but just something that could be take to races

wobbles

Id say its something they had in the canteen. I dont think any team would risk being seen by potential sponsers using something like that

GarIT

Ghost Train wrote: »

Maybe just the fact it's portable makes it worth something, not meant to be full on simulator but just something that could be take to races

Its mounted on one of their shipping pallets so it's likely that ots just a portable version.

ScumLord

antodeco wrote: »

Can someone explain rFactor to me? I was thinking of building a simulator, but just use the F1 game as mode

rFactor is a pretty old sim at this stage, rFactor 2 is out now in a sort of beta mode. The problem with rFactor is you have to pay a yearly subscription to keep it updated and play online.

2014 was the year of the racing sim though, a few came out. rFactor 2 is one of the most complete packages at the moment but I wasn't all that impressed with it, I basically wasted me year subscription because once Assetto Corsa came out I was hooked.

The most complete sim package is probably iracing but that's even more expensive, you pay a monthly subscription and you have to pay for cars and tracks separately. The big benefit of iracing is it's structured, you have a safety rating, it's serious business and I think even pros use it because it's taken so seriously by the members. Acting the bollox means you can't take part in many races.

Then there's assetto corsa, it's the cheapest option but it has the best car physics at the moment, driving the car feels very real and you can have hours of fun just driving the car around a track on it's own, it really does feel as satisfying as driving a real car at times. What it has mastered is the tyre traction and the ability to control a car while in oversteer. It's still in beta and you can pick it up for less than €40. All their cars are accurately modelled from the real thing, all the official tracks are laser scanned so they're an exact copy of the track. These guys made sims for Ferrari and their office is at the vallelunga track in Italy, the whole game just oozes Italian motor racing passion.

You can pick up the predecessor to assetto corsa, Netkar pro for something like €4, it's got great physics but it was a multiplayer only game and it never took off. for just driving around it's great though and would give you an idea of what assetto corsa physics i like.

Honorable mention goes to kart racing pro. It's a very detailed kart racing sim but again it's multiplayer so their no real single player game there bar hot lapping. But it's great fun.

If you want to race with people that take it seriously (in that there's no one trying to take others out when their race isn't going as planned) you can join a site like racedepartment.com, they organise races and have racing classes for new members, guides on how to setup cars and mods. I race there about once a week.

PopePalpatine

I wish I could run Assetto Corsa, my laptop still runs Intel HD graphics.

ScumLord

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wish I could run Assetto Corsa, my laptop still runs Intel HD graphics.

It is a bit of a resource hog and isn't properly optimised yet. It should improve but it's a next gen sim so to speak, they plan on supporting it for at least 5 years after release. Race sims tend to have very long shelf lives and I think that was the plan with this sim, it's made for systems that will be appearing over the next 5 years rather than what's available now.

Sim racing can turn into a sickness though, the money you can end up spending on gear if you get into it can be on a par with real racing series.

Going Strong

ScumLord wrote: »

Sim racing can turn into a sickness though, the money you can end up spending on gear if you get into it can be on a par with real racing series.

Far cheaper to fix if you crash though.

ScumLord

Going Strong wrote: »

Far cheaper to fix if you crash though.

The only problem is you can have a crash (of your PC) while you're still sitting in the pits.

Going Strong

Pfft. Do like Formula E and have a second PC ready to go.

PopePalpatine

ScumLord wrote: »

It is a bit of a resource hog and isn't properly optimised yet. It should improve but it's a next gen sim so to speak, they plan on supporting it for at least 5 years after release. Race sims tend to have very long shelf lives and I think that was the plan with this sim, it's made for systems that will be appearing over the next 5 years rather than what's available now.

Sim racing can turn into a sickness though, the money you can end up spending on gear if you get into it can be on a par with real racing series.

That's certainly proved true for me, I've probably spent hours on GTR2.

I wouldn't have the patience to go to the extent of using a steering wheel and pedals for PC sims, though. I've really slow reflexes when it comes to correcting oversteer.

ScumLord

PopePalpatine wrote: »

That's certainly proved true for me, I've probably spent hours on GTR2.

I wouldn't have the patience to go to the extent of using a steering wheel and pedals for PC sims, though. I've really slow reflexes when it comes to correcting oversteer.

It does make a big difference. The force feedback is the big difference it makes correcting things like understeer and oversteer much more intuitive because you can actually feel them happening rather than waiting to see it happen. That's how the sickness starts though, you see the improvement from using a wheel and pedals, then you find out about pedals with pressure sensors and you get another big improvement in your braking, then you want a gear stick, then you have to make a sim rig, so on, so on.

PopePalpatine

Would it surprise you to learn that I can't drive in real life? :pac:

ScumLord

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Would it surprise you to learn that I can't drive in real life? :pac:

No better way to learn than driving the LaFerrari around Spa.

Mike Litoris

Assetto Corsa is nothing short of fantastic! It needs a good wheel and pedals though.

I've driven a couple of track cars at Mondello and once the wheel is set up right its shockingly realistic. I have it a couple of months now and I pretty much have only driven the Lotus 98t. The engine sound would make Jesus cry.:p It does have a steep learning curve but with the right set up on the wheel it makes things easier.

ScumLord

Mike Litoris wrote: »

I have it a couple of months now and I pretty much have only driven the Lotus 98t. The engine sound would make Jesus cry.:p

Have you tried the Lamborghini Miura mod? It's from the same guys that made the cobra that ended up in the official car list. Easily the best sounding car to date.