Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

hansfrei

mango salsa wrote: »

Nope not at all.
It's about pointing out the dangerous idiocy of her beliefs so that serious decision makers do not rashly decide on a public healthcare issue.

Lots of people hold strange opinions. You casting the first stone MS?

Annasopra

hansfrei wrote: »

Lots of people hold strange opinions. You casting the first stone MS?

The question is should "strange" opinions be used to influence public healthcare policy? Or should we make evidence based public healthcare policy?

hansfrei

mango salsa wrote: »

The question is should "strange" opinions be used to influence public healthcare policy? Or should we make evidence based public healthcare policy?

Lol. Public healthcare policy could give a fcuk.

Public healthcare policy in this country mortgaged a publicly owned building to secure finance from a corrupt bank. That how public heathCare policy rolls.

Annasopra

hansfrei wrote: »

Lol. Public healthcare policy could give a fcuk.

Public healthcare policy in this country mortgaged a publicly owned building to secure finance from a corrupt bank. That how public heathCare policy rolls.

Indeed. It woz the banks what did it.

Amazingfun

nullzero wrote: »

"It" seems to be you making everyone agree with your beliefs. Here's a little nugget of wisdom; more people in Ireland agree with you than agree with her.

Just an observation, but I find most people I mention it to are unaware that so many other countries have banned/removed fluoride from their water.

Again: I wonder why we still have it?

***Like her or not, she sure know how to get attention on the issue, lol:
https://www.facebook.com/TheGirlAgainstFluoride

Dravokivich

mango salsa wrote: »

That is missing the point and miscontruing the thread.

I have never said anywhere in this thread that everyone who is anti flouride is homophobic and thick.

The point of this thread is to show that one of the main proponents of the anti fluoride campaign cannot and should not be taken seriously. If she is going to make informed scientific arguments then it is important to point out that her qualifications to make those arguments are extremely questionable.

Wait, let me get this straight. All you did was post links to blog entries by one gobsh!te who calls out the foolishness of another gobsh!te and you're suprised people arent fawning over you for the revelantion?

Just because the girls comments were rather stupid and her qualifications dont really qualify her for anything, doesnt mean someone calling her out tit for tat makes it part of the overall discussion for pro/anti flouridation. Its just pointing the finger at someone and laughing at them because they dont know what they are talking about.

Howd you expect this to be taken seriously?

hansfrei

Amazingfun wrote: »

Just an observation, but I find most people I mention it to are unaware that so many other countries have banned/removed fluoride from their water.

Again: I wonder why we still have it?

***Like her or not, she sure know how to get attention on the issue, lol:
https://www.facebook.com/TheGirlAgainstFluoride

Some ministers uncle is gettong money off the flouride company. Or some TD is using the flouride as an expense in his constituency to finance his daughters house. Or something.
Sure isn't for your good health anyway.

expectationlost

mango salsa wrote: »

I really have despaired at Irish people over the last year or two who were taken by this clueless conspiracy theorist and am delighted that she is being finally exposed. I am delighted her previous supporters are now starting to withdraw their support. Luke Ming Flanagan announced the other day he no longer supports her.

where did luke flanagan disassociate himself with her?

Luke Ming Flanagan ‏@lukeming

@geoffsshorts sadly it's becoming obvious that I was too available for @FluorideGirl

ah just found it https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/413611859007512576 thanks corkfeen

Corkfeen

hansfrei wrote: »

Flouride is bad for you. Theres loads of science to back that statement up somewhere, probably. Anyway I don't want it in my water.

Fluoride in exceedingly high concentrations is bad for you. However the amount of fluoride in our water is exceedingly low and at a perfectly safe level. All research points to this being true and there's no science to back you up.

mango salsa wrote: »

It's not about attacking her. It is simply demonstrating that her campaign and her campaign team cannot be taken seriously.

Perfectly correct,the group don't really go for the scientific method in any way and the more extreme side of the anti-fluoride side prefer to blame big pharma when the facts get in the way.

expectationlost wrote: »

where did luke flanagan dissaociate himself with her?

Here you go. Seems to regret the close relationship upon it coming to his attention.
https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/413611859007512576

Amazingfun

I just saw this on her FB page:

FLUORIDE FREE WATER

Silicofluoride chemicals are added to public water supplies in only a few countries in the World. No toxicological testing has ever been undertaken on the silicofluoride chemicals added to drinking water. This website was set up to help educate the public on the human health and environmental impacts of silicofluoride and fluoride based compounds in water so that the public as consumers may be better informed of the risks.
This is the private blog of Declan Waugh Environmental Scientist.

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Risk Factors and Cancer Incidence in Ireland and Implications for Water Fluoridation and Public Health.

To: Dr. Harry Comber, National Cancer Registry Ireland
Cc: Mr. Enda Kenny T.D. Department of the Taoiseagh
Dr. James O Reilly T.D. Minister for Health
Mr. Simon Coveney T.D. Minister For Agriculture, Food and Fisheries
Mr. Phil Hogan T.D. Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government
Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, HSE
Dr. Ivan Perry, Professor of Public Health Department of Epidemiology & Public Health, University College Cork
Ms. Laura Burke, Director General, Environmental Protection Agency


Risk Factors and Cancer Incidence in Ireland and Implications for Water Fluoridation and Public Health.
Dear Sirs

I am writing to you regarding the information provided in the National Cancer Registry Ireland (NCRI) cancer statistic maps. As you know these maps illustrate the geographical spread of cancer diseases and identify areas of high and low risk for the 32 countries of Ireland.

What is one of the most obvious and interesting facts in these illustrations is that Northern Ireland is identified as predominantly the lowest risk area for developing cancer diseases throughout the 32 counties of Ireland. In fact it is astonishing to see that the relative risk of developing cancer actually mirrors the geographic area demarcating the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland for some notable cancers (see fig 1. attached).

More here:
http://ffwireland.blogspot.ie/2012/08/risk-factors-and-cancer-incidence-in.html

expectationlost

Amazingfun wrote: »

I just saw this on her FB page:


More here:
http://ffwireland.blogspot.ie/2012/08/risk-factors-and-cancer-incidence-in.html

and I found this on the people who produced the maps page http://www.qub.ac.uk/research-centres/nicr/nicr/MisinterpretationofAll-IrelandCancerAtlas1995-2007/

Although the bulk of the population in the Republic of Ireland lives in cities and large towns, where the water is fluoridated, most of the area shown on the map is sparsely populated and without fluoridated water supplies, so water fluoridation cannot be suggested as an explanation for the patterns seen

etc

the main map she used was for leukemia, i think geoff short had blog on this where he pointed out that there seems to less leukemia in donegal too, even thought they get as much flouride as other areas in ireland do (relattive the amount of urban area they have as explained above)

Amazingfun

I posted that because I had just read (in the post above) that

the group don't really go for the scientific method in any way

, and then I see Declan Waugh's material all over the place.

Corkfeen

Amazingfun wrote: »

I posted that because I had just read (in the post above) that , and then I see Declan Waugh's material all over the place.

But this doesn't necessarily mean scientific method is being followed,Waugh misinterpreted cancer stats in your example to suit his agenda. Waugh has an article published in Hotpress rambling about dangers of fluoride but his claims don't stand up to scrutiny. There's nothing scientific about such a methodology. Peer reviewed research to backup claims would be something but they don't have that.

WilyCoyote

WS Gilbert gets it in one. If you like to get to get to the nitty head to 1 min 40 secs ......... otherwise enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVSQQRGVmA

Canis Lupus

Amazingfun wrote: »

I posted that because I had just read (in the post above) that , and then I see Declan Waugh's material all over the place.

Nah, the antifloro it's toxicwastebyproductpoison only go for science when it suits them and as can be seen in that example don't actually know what they're talking about.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

My name is URL wrote: »

'Finally exposed'!!


Isn't exposing herself how she started it all?

She IS trying to sell a naked calender on her website (no preview pics though...)

suicide_circus

Call me crazy but I'd rather juat have a clean water supply with as few additives as possible. It is not for the state to decide if I need fluoride supplements.

Edit: if the state were to foot the bill for all my dental needs then it should certainty have a say. But it doesn't, so it shouldn't.

Son Of A Vidic

Hello_MrFox wrote: »

OP i can't read will you call me up and explain to me what is going on in this thread.

So can you imagine what it is like for me, I can't even see. I'll need someone to post a 'talkie' post to try and figure out what's going on.

Annasopra

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

So can you imagine what it is like for me, I can't even see. I'll need someone to post a 'talkie' post to try and figure out what's going on.

Do you not have JAWS?

Ash.J.Williams

anyone who believes anyone these days is a gullible fool

Annasopra

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

anyone who believes anyone these days is a gullible fool

So we should all believe you?

Ash.J.Williams

mango salsa wrote: »

So we should all believe you?

absolutely not, without looking into it first.

zenno

suicide_circus wrote: »

Call me crazy but I'd rather juat have a clean water supply with as few additives as possible. It is not for the state to decide if I need fluoride supplements.

Edit: if the state were to foot the bill for all my dental needs then it should certainty have a say. But it doesn't, so it shouldn't.

Take your medicine and shut the fu*k up. Do what you're told, Pronto, as the water-board heads would say, and the Dentists... yes, Dentists have qualifications in toxicology in a far-away fantasy world made from donations from the pharmaceutical industries. Come fly with me, Come fly, come fly away.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hansfrei wrote: »

Some ministers uncle is gettong money off the flouride company. Or some TD is using the flouride as an expense in his constituency to finance his daughters house. Or something.
Sure isn't for your good health anyway.

Boyagainstfloride, is that you?

ScumLord

Wurly wrote: »

How do you know that vaccinations are not toxic to the human body? How do you know that flouride isn't really bad news for us either?

All that approval malarkey they have to go through before they make it to the market. There may be harmful effects but if the vaccines where toxic we'd know all about it because there would be mass reactions not one here and there.

hansfrei wrote: »

Flouride is bad for you. Theres loads of science to back that statement up somewhere, probably. Anyway I don't want it in my water.

Fluoride is good for you, there's loads of evidence to back it up.

Amazingfun wrote: »

I wonder why so many countries are banning or taking the fluoride out of their water if it's so great for us, as the blogger claims?

Democracy. The angry mob get's more attention than the rational scientist.

WilyCoyote

WilyCoyote wrote: »

WS Gilbert gets it in one. If you like to get to get to the nitty head to 1 min 40 secs ......... otherwise enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVSQQRGVmA

And the words:

If you're anxious for to shine in the high aesthetic line
as a man of culture rare,
You must get up all the germs of the transcendental terms,
and plant them ev'rywhere.
You must lie upon the daisies and discourse in novel phrases
of your complicated state of mind,
The meaning doesn't matter if it's only idle chatter
of a transcendental kind.

And ev'ry one will say,
As you walk your mystic way,
"If this young man expresses himself in terms too deep for me,
Why, what a very singularly deep young man
this deep young man must be!"


Be eloquent in praise of the very dull old days
which have long since passed away,
And convince 'em, if you can, that the reign of good Queen Anne
was Culture's palmiest day.
Of course you will pooh-pooh whatever's fresh and new,
and declare it's crude and mean,
For Art stopped short in the cultivated court of the Empress Josephine.

And ev'ryone will say,
As you walk your mystic way,
"If that's not good enough for him which is good enough for me,
Why, what a very cultivated kind of youth this kind of youth must be!"


Then a sentimental passion of a vegetable fashion
must excite your languid spleen,
An attachment a la Plato for a bashful young potato,
or a not- too-French French bean!
Though the Philistines may jostle, you will rank as an apostle
in the high aesthetic band,
If you walk down Piccadilly with a poppy or a lily
in your medieval hand.

And ev'ryone will say,
As you walk your flow'ry way,
"If he's content with a vegetable love which would certainly not suit me,
Why, what a most particularly pure young man
this pure young man must be!"

This was written by Gilbert about the fad of falling in love with vegetables ..... which, yes, bright young things did in those days ........ purely to impress

weisses

Who needs girl against fluoride when you have organizations below opposing it

The Consumers’ Association of Ireland (CAI) took a neutral stance on the question of the
benefits and risks of water fluoridation. The CAI council had voted that consumers should
have choice in this issue and that as mandatory water fluoridation does not offer choice, the
CAI opposes the continuation of water fluoridation. It is the recommendation of the
Consumers’ Association of Ireland that the Government should now cease adding
fluoridating chemicals to the piped drinking water.

The Irish Doctors’ Environmental Association (IDEA) likewise adopted a neutral stance on
the benefits of water fluoridation, and expressed its opposition to the continuation of the
fluoridation of drinking water supplies. The association has concerns regarding the addition
of fluoride to the water supply, on the grounds of unknown dosage, particularly with regard
to infants. It also has concerns regarding contaminants and the possible interaction of
fluoride with other drugs. The association believes that the ingestion of fluoride should be a
matter of choice, and that dental decay is best prevented by dietary measures and
improved dental hygiene.

Muise...

weisses wrote: »

Who needs girl against fluoride when you have organizations below opposing it

I need the Girl Against Fluoride for entertainment. Your quotes without a reference are no fun.

weisses

Muise... wrote: »

I need the Girl Against Fluoride for entertainment. Your quotes without a reference are no fun.

Sorry was checking that calender

http://www.dohc.ie/publications/pdf/fluoridation_forum.pdf?direct=1

expectationlost

hansfrei wrote: »

Lots of people hold strange opinions. You casting the first stone MS?

i don't ming has dropped his concern with fluoride just that girl...

expectationlost

its interesting that ming has dropped his association with her, have anybody got a reply from any other politicians who quoted her

bogwalrus

I really don't want to be drinking fluoridated water and currently I have no choice. This is my problem. Why don't the government just stop fluoridating and people that want it in their water can buy it in a plastic container. I believe all fluoride containers need to have the toxic skull and crossbones symbol as it is highly toxic. Who would want to put that in their cuppa tea?

srsly78

You don't hear anyone complaining about all the dihydrogen monoxide, should we put a label on that too?

Corkfeen

bogwalrus wrote: »

I really don't want to be drinking fluoridated water and currently I have no choice. This is my problem. Why don't the government just stop fluoridating and people that want it in their water can buy it in a plastic container. I believe all fluoride containers need to have the toxic skull and crossbones symbol as it is highly toxic. Who would want to put that in their cuppa tea?

Plenty of things are highly toxic in high concentrations but are perfectly fine at low levels. Water is toxic if ingested in large enough quantities.

premierstone

realies wrote: »

I am lost here .

Its the Flouride you see, it foooks with your ability to think straight and to comprehend even the most basic info :eek:

lostdisk

srsly78 wrote: »

You don't hear anyone complaining about all the dihydrogen monoxide, should we put a label on that too?

Yes.

stuar

OP your thread is an attack on a girl, I don't know her history, education or mental state to be honest, and really I don't care, but theres a couple of things your missing in your veiled personal attack.

Because she has other idea's about other things doesn't automatically make her wrong on fluoride.
Maybe it would be a better idea to maybe educate yourself a little about what fluoride is before adding links to a quack blog backing up your "claims".

The argument for it's staying in our water supply are that it helps our teeth, this argument is ridiculous, it causes more damage to teeth with fluorosis.

Fluoride accumilates in the body, some people have much less physical tolerance to this industrial waste product to others, so mass medication harms some more than others. It's been shown to affect the thyroid and pineal glands, look into the functions of both, use google maybe?


I have more to say about this subject but I find this thread misinformation at best and your links just codswollop to be frank.

Heres some links to counter your blog links, and don't worry no links from TGAF or spiritual guides.

Tooth Decay Trends in Fluoridated vs. Unfluoridated Countries
http://fluoridealert.org/studies/caries01/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZXChLyk90

End Fluoridation, Say 500 Physicians, Dentists, Scientists And Environmentalists

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/79326.php
Prominent Dentists Say Drinking NYC's Fluoridated Water is Risky

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/prominent-dentists-say-drinking-nycs-fluoridated-water-is-risky-131137168.html


Why I Changed My Mind About Water Fluoridation

John Colquhoun, D.D.

S

., Ph.D
http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html

Dentists' group takes up battle against fluoridation

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dentists-group-takes-up-battle-against-fluoridation-26072390.html
Effects on the Endocrine System
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11571&page=224

ADA study confirms dangers of fluoridated water, especially for babies
http://www.naturalnews.com/030123_fluoride_babies.html#ixzz2oJnLVP00

I have a few things to do but will get back to this later.

Fluoride is a toxic industrial waste product from aluminium production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjG2xjHn-50

Republic of Ireland


71% water fluoridation.

United Kingdom and Northern Ireland


Northern Ireland: No fluoridation.



Scotland: No fluoridation.



Wales: No fluoridation.



England: 10% water fluoridation.





Various Other European Countries



Austria: No fluoridation – "toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Austria." (17th February 2000).



Belgium: No fluoridation.



Czech Republic: No fluoridation – "since 1993 drinking water has not been treated with fluoride in public water supplies throughout the Czech Republic. Reasons:

Uneconomical
Unecological
Unethical
Toxicologically and physiologically debatable"


Denmark: No fluoridation – "toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies." (22nd December 1999)



Finland: No fluoridation. One city, Kuopio, stopped in 1992.



France: No fluoridation – "fluoride chemicals are not included in the list of chemicals for drinking water treatment. This is due to ethical as well as medical considerations." (25th August 2000)



Germany: No fluoridation – "Generally in Germany fluoridation of drinking water is forbidden." (16th September 1999)



Luxembourg: No fluoridation – "Fluoride has never been added to the public water supplies in Luxembourg."



Holland: No fluoridation. It was rejected in 1976.



Norway: No fluoridation. It was rejected in 1975.



Spain: 3% water fluoridation.



Sweden: No fluoridation – "Nobel Medical Institute recommended against fluoridation. It is banned since 1971."



Switzerland: No fluoridation

lostdisk

stuar wrote: »

OP your thread is an attack on a girl, I don't know her history, education or mental state to be honest, and really I don't care, but theres a couple of things your missing in your veiled personal attack.

Because she has other idea's about other things doesn't automatically make her wrong on fluoride.
Maybe it would be a better idea to maybe educate yourself a little about what fluoride is before adding links to a quack blog backing up your "claims".

The argument for it's staying in our water supply are that it helps our teeth, this argument is ridiculous, it causes more damage to teeth with fluorosis.

Fluoride accumilates in the body, some people have much less physical tolerance to this industrial waste product to others, so mass medication harms some more than others. It's been shown to affect the thyroid and pineal glands, look into the functions of both, use google maybe?


I have more to say about this subject but I find this thread misinformation at best and your links just codswollop to be frank.

Heres some links to counter your blog links, and don't worry no links from TGAF or spiritual guides.

Tooth Decay Trends in Fluoridated vs. Unfluoridated Countries
http://fluoridealert.org/studies/caries01/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZXChLyk90

End Fluoridation, Say 500 Physicians, Dentists, Scientists And Environmentalists

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/79326.php
Prominent Dentists Say Drinking NYC's Fluoridated Water is Risky

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/prominent-dentists-say-drinking-nycs-fluoridated-water-is-risky-131137168.html


Why I Changed My Mind About Water Fluoridation

John Colquhoun, D.D.

S

., Ph.D
http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html

Dentists' group takes up battle against fluoridation

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dentists-group-takes-up-battle-against-fluoridation-26072390.html
Effects on the Endocrine System
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11571&page=224

ADA study confirms dangers of fluoridated water, especially for babies
http://www.naturalnews.com/030123_fluoride_babies.html#ixzz2oJnLVP00

I have a few things to do but will get back to this later.

Fluoride is a toxic industrial waste product from aluminium production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjG2xjHn-50

Republic of Ireland


71% water fluoridation.

United Kingdom and Northern Ireland


Northern Ireland: No fluoridation.



Scotland: No fluoridation.



Wales: No fluoridation.



England: 10% water fluoridation.





Various Other European Countries



Austria: No fluoridation – "toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Austria." (17th February 2000).



Belgium: No fluoridation.



Czech Republic: No fluoridation – "since 1993 drinking water has not been treated with fluoride in public water supplies throughout the Czech Republic. Reasons:

Uneconomical
Unecological
Unethical
Toxicologically and physiologically debatable"


Denmark: No fluoridation – "toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies." (22nd December 1999)



Finland: No fluoridation. One city, Kuopio, stopped in 1992.



France: No fluoridation – "fluoride chemicals are not included in the list of chemicals for drinking water treatment. This is due to ethical as well as medical considerations." (25th August 2000)



Germany: No fluoridation – "Generally in Germany fluoridation of drinking water is forbidden." (16th September 1999)



Luxembourg: No fluoridation – "Fluoride has never been added to the public water supplies in Luxembourg."



Holland: No fluoridation. It was rejected in 1976.



Norway: No fluoridation. It was rejected in 1975.



Spain: 3% water fluoridation.



Sweden: No fluoridation – "Nobel Medical Institute recommended against fluoridation. It is banned since 1971."



Switzerland: No fluoridation

Wasting your time. This is a boards.ie endorsed personal attack on a minor celebrity. No amount of sense will be made to counter OPs ludicrous comments.

Muise...

lostdisk wrote: »

Wasting your time. This is a boards.ie endorsed personal attack on a minor celebrity. No amount of sense will be made to counter OPs ludicrous comments.

Oh hai Aisling! (LOL at minor sleb btw!)

lostdisk

Muise... wrote: »

Oh hai Aisling! (LOL at minor sleb btw!)

Hello.

srsly78

lostdisk wrote: »

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Genghiz Cohen

lostdisk wrote: »

Wasting your time. This is a boards.ie endorsed personal attack on a minor celebrity. No amount of sense will be made to counter OPs ludicrous comments.

He'd need to me making sense first.

Annasopra

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

He'd need to me making sense first.

Don't you just love how noone can counterargue against anything in the blog posts in the OP.

WilyCoyote

Muise... wrote: »

I need the Girl Against Fluoride for entertainment. Your quotes without a reference are no fun.

Yeah! And pics or GTFO

Hootanany

Czarcasm wrote: »

Never let it be said AH has failed to deliver -




That's Ms. Fitzgibbon on the right, Jesus in the middle, and God only knows who that is on the left, possibly the Virgin Mary in that get up! :pac:

She has a 6 pack on the left:eek:

lostdisk

mango salsa wrote: »

Don't you just love how noone can counterargue against anything in the blog posts in the OP.

Have you read any of the counter arguments? Is it likely you're going ti change your mind?

srsly78

lostdisk wrote: »

Have you read any of the counter arguments? Is it likely you're going ti change your mind?

What counter arguments? Homeopaths are people just like everyone else, why would you deny them the same rights?

lostdisk

srsly78 wrote: »

What counter arguments? Homeopaths are people just like everyone else, why would you deny them the same rights?

Wah?

Fr_Dougal

lostdisk wrote: »

Wah?

Have you ever been so far even as decided to use go want to look more like?

lostdisk

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Have you ever been so far even as decided to use go want to look more like?

Am I supposed to re-arrange those words to form a sentence?

Lay off the flouride for a while.