Dealing with scumbags??

blue onion

Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?

WhatNowForUs?

blue onion wrote: »

Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?

Surprised it took over 5 mins.

djPSB

Well done.

Taking out your phone in those areas is bad news though.

SpaceTime

I think at this stage we need a shake up of the self-defence laws to protect victims fully in the event they do have to deal with something like this.

Most cities and town centres have good CCTV coverage, so if you do have to defend yourself at least you'd be able to pull coverage of who started it.

It's like they think everyone will just run away and that's probably why they've become so brazen!

I got mugged in Bilbao (Northern Spain) a few years ago. A guy grabbed my wallet and pushed me (wearing a heavy back pack) against the wall. I'm 6'3"+ and gave chase swinging a rucksack at him and shouting abuse as loud as possible. I was accompanied by two similarly sized US guys who saw what happened. A passing spanish granny then clobbered him with an umbrella! The guy flung the wallet at me and legged it.

I think this is what would have happened in Ireland 20+ years ago. But these days, everyone's terrified of these guys for no apparent reason and they all think they're "Nidge" or something.

As a society, we're allowing ourselves to be bullied. Same with the British, the French and quite a few other EU countries and to a large extent the Americans (who tend to go paranoid and invest in vast amounts of guns and security for an often non-existent perceived threat that they've convinced themselves is out there like the bogieman).

It's time we snapped out of being so fearful of these bluffers.

There needs to be some kind of creative sentencing too in terms of unpleasant community service orders backed by the threat of actual proper jail.
I'm not in favour of wasting jail space on petty crime, but I think alternatives need to be come up with.

I'm sure if you sat down a team of psychologists something could be dreamt up that might be sufficiently off-putting without being actually nasty or of questionable human rights status.

timthumbni

Mr Williams wrote: »

We need more Charles Bronson types in Ireland.

The best part of that clip was how he excused himself from the dinner table. If you are going to blow a couple of street punks away then the very least you can do is excuse yourself from the dinner table. Lol.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Seaneh wrote: »

He was too quick.

Nearly caught him with an all mighty kick in the hole as he was turning to run away.

The book is still in perfect nick too, so all is well that ends well.

I love feel good news this time of year.

timthumbni

anncoates wrote: »

Not really as much as AH would have you to believe but it's definitely an issue in parts of the city centre and along the Luas red line.. And much more visible than the likes of Belfast.

I've haven't been in dublin for many years but when I return I have learned from on here that the luas red line is one site to be avoided. Lol.

Belfast is a fair bit smaller thAn dublin and though we do have a few alcoholic street drinkers I can't recall ever seeing anyone who I would consider as a junkie.

You aren't even that likely to get accosted in Belfast re mugging etc. That maybe is a leftover from the troubles as it's probably best not to pick on random people in Belfast in case you pick on the wrong one. I would feel pretty safe walking about Belfast late at night on my own.

There would be a fair few digging matches at closing time but normally if you keep away from that you wouldn't be dragged in. (In saying that I am fairly well built so rarely would anyone come near me anyway)

From reading these boards in not sure that I would be that comfortable walking about dublin city centre on my own. Unless I had a tooled up Charlie Bronson by my side. Ha.

hatrickpatrick

One thing I do wish we could do on Boards is separate "summer" from "junkie". Plenty of scammers have no drugs problems at all and are just nasty gobsh!tes by nature, while there are plenty of addicts who by and large don't hassle anyone at all.

By attaching the drugs label to this behaviour by default, we enable sh!te like the case of the guy who stole my phone getting off in court because, as an addict, it's clearly not his fault that he had dozens of previous convictions.
Drug use and assault are separate issues and one will NEVER excuse the other, no matter how harrowing someone's story might be. Mugging and pick pocketing aren't ok regardless of why someone is doing it.

Santa Cruz

Seaneh wrote: »

Ok, about 25 minutes ago, I had an altercation with a scumbag.

He was one of the shiny tracksuit clad sub cretinous types that populate the north inner city, especially along the luas line and quays.

I got to the Jervis luas stop just as the tram was pulling away. I looked at the sign for the next tram and it wasn't due for about 5 minutes so I thought "feck it, I'll walk to the four courts and get rather than waiting around".

Off I saunter fro jervis, I crossed the road at the junction with caple street and briefly contemplated popping into Cyclebike for a look around at the pretty bikes.

Cross back over a little further up the road. Had my phone in my hand and was about to put it into my pocket. little prick coming by me attempts to grab the phone out of my hand. He fails,and I shove it into my pocket.

He, in embarrassment or whatever, stops his run (he was running past me) and comes back and faces me and says "Give me the ****ing phone or I'll ****ing clock ya" or something to that effect.

Now, those of you who have met me know I am not a small man. While average height, I'm not average weight and I'm far from shy. This fellow was about my height but about 10 stone weight and as far as I could tell, had no weapon.

In my other hand at the time, in a paper easons bag was a copy of the new Alex Ferguson biography which mammy seaneh had asked me to pick up for her as a gift for one of their friends who is a man united fanatic.

As the little scummer is getting in my face I raise my hands (with the book in my right hand now) and say "not happening bud, walk on, I don't want any hassle".

Little prick gets closer and I instinctively smacker him across the bridge of the nose with the book quickly followed by another smack across the side of the head with the book and a well drawn left boot to the bollocks.

He bends over in pain and them scarpers off shouting back "you're ****ing dead, I'll get you, I'll remember you".

If he had a weapon I would have just given him the phone, no sense in taking the risk. But seeing as I thought I could atleast hold me own with him, I decided "**** this" and defended myself and my possessions as is allowed by the law.

How would you react in a similar situation?

These are the type of situations people should prepare for.

Size up the situation fast. If stand and fight is an option go for it.

Scumbag on his own. Hit fast hit hard. It is the last thing he/she will be expecting. ( doesn't matter if culprit is female. If she want's to play big boy games then all is fair and square).
If they go to the ground then finish with one good kick between the legs.

Two scumbags. Be a little bit more careful but get in very hard and quick. Then go.

GingerFire

i'm such a chicken i have no idea what i'd do..
but fair play to ya's lads..

anncoates

timthumbni wrote: »

I've haven't been in dublin for many years but when I return I have learned from on here that the luas red line is one site to be avoided. Lol.

Belfast is a fair bit smaller thAn dublin and though we do have a few alcoholic street drinkers I can't recall ever seeing anyone who I would consider as a junkie.

You aren't even that likely to get accosted in Belfast re mugging etc. That maybe is a leftover from the troubles as it's probably best not to pick on random people in Belfast in case you pick on the wrong one. I would feel pretty safe walking about Belfast late at night on my own.

There would be a fair few digging matches at closing time but normally if you keep away from that you wouldn't be dragged in. (In saying that I am fairly well built so rarely would anyone come near me anyway)

From reading these boards in not sure that I would be that comfortable walking about dublin city centre on my own. Unless I had a tooled up Charlie Bronson by my side. Ha.

I lived in Belfast for a few years and the City centre definitely feels like a safer city at street level than Irish or English cities of comparable size.

NATLOR

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have no time for the "Just walk away" crowd. Thats the type of bull**** that years later leads to a society where people walk away when they hear screams from a woman down an alleyway, its cowardly rubbish.

Anyway, I am lucky enough to be well built, so in a case like the OP I will just deck the runt. And if he pulls a knife then he'd better know how to use it.

Im well able to handle myself but depending on the situation my wife and kids would be quite happy for me to be a member of the 'walk away crowd' they come first, end of story

Sunnyisland

blue onion wrote: »

Nobody find it strange that 26 minutes after an altercation that the story was posted on boards?

No I don't ,The OP adrenalin would be still pumping and it's a great story to share...

[-0-]

Probably the only good use that book will ever be used for.

Fair play though. I've had a few similar encounters in Ireland. I battered a skanger who tried to jump me. About 10 of his mates were around the corner watching and as soon as I hit him they ran for me. I got into a taxi just in time, so you really do have to be careful.

Seaneh

Ha, my OP is post of the day.

Think it's my first one ever.

robertxxx

Great post OP, i love these storys!! one two uniflu

Bruthal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It's what Fergie would have wanted.

Yes, turn defence into attack.

Santa Cruz

anncoates wrote: »

I lived in Belfast for a few years and the City centre definitely feels like a safer city at street level than Irish or English cities of comparable size.

It's Christmas Eve. I'll let it go.

kreuzberg09

Seaneh wrote: »

Ha, my OP is post of the day.

Think it's my first one ever.

So this is just an attempt to plug Fergie's book - sales must be bad

anncoates

Santa Cruz wrote: »

It's Christmas Eve. I'll let it go.

Your langer?

Ironman76

Sir Alex would be proud!! Good man.

timthumbni

anncoates wrote: »

I lived in Belfast for a few years and the City centre definitely feels like a safer city at street level than Irish or English cities of comparable size.

Aye Belfast is pretty safe. I got attacked down there by republicans on one occasion but to be honest I shouldn't have walked past the area. They knew I wasn't one of them simply due to where I was walking towards.

I was drunk so me and my mate thought we would be ok. My mate was badly injured but luckily for me my build probably saved me as the fellas that attacked me were wary of me. I couldn't even have bit my fecking finger either so I got away with it lightly.

Aside from that aspect Belfast seems pretty safe. As I said mugging etc are pretty much unheard of in Belfast. It's a nice city to be honest despite its problems in the past.

wazky

timthumbni wrote: »

Aye Belfast is pretty safe. I got attacked down there by republicans on one occasion but to be honest I shouldn't have walked past the area. They knew I wasn't one of them simply due to where I was walking towards.

How do you know they were Republicans?, did they leave a card or something when they beat you up. :rolleyes:

anncoates

Not getting into that crap.

Obviously I didn't mean specific sectarian aggro - of any hue - in certain areas of the city or at certain times.

In general, the main parts of the city centre (essentially where everybody mixes) always seemed to me in my 4 years there to be less prone to random aggro and junkie crap than other cities.

csallmighty

I hope it was a hardback, would do more damage

timthumbni

anncoates wrote: »

Not getting into that crap.

Obviously I didn't mean specific sectarian aggro - of any hue - in certain areas of the city or at certain times.

In general, the main parts of the city centre (essentially where everybody mixes) always seemed to me in my 4 years there to be less prone to random aggro and junkie crap than other cities.

Sorry I didn't mean to drag the sectarian element in specifically. I just meant to highlight that that was the only hassle I ever got in Belfast walking about. That could just as easily have been loyalist youths jumping Catholics walking home. And I could have avoided that incident through a bit of common sense.

Aye Belfast city centre is dead on. Lived in the English Midlands for while and wouldn't have felt safe walking about the city at night at all.

timthumbni

wazky wrote: »

How do you know they were Republicans?, did they leave a card or something when they beat you up. :rolleyes:

Well they were calling us orange b@stards, black ba@tards, and prodestant c@nts. (Seven against two.. Lovely odds)

Maybe they were unionists but just a little schizophrenic. Eh????

You would probably know best. (Rolls eyes)

Btw as I said I'm not going down this route on this thread anyway. I was simply highlighting that aside from that incident (which I should have and could have avoided) then Belfast is a pretty safe city.

wazky

timthumbni wrote: »

Well they were calling us orange b@stards, black ba@tards, and prodestant c@nts. (Seven against two.. Lovely odds)

So in your eyes, sectarian slurs are only spouted by Republicans, and not just any toe-rag?

Great logic there my good man.

timthumbni

wazky wrote: »

So in your eyes, sectarian slurs are only spouted by Republicans, and not just any toe-rag?

Great logic there my good man.

Please refer to post number 127 where I said it could just have easily been loyalists attacking people. You are reading into something that is not there.

wazky

timthumbni wrote: »

Please refer to post number 127 where I said it could just have easily been loyalists attacking people. You are reading into something that is not there.

Put down the shovel tim, before it gets too embarrassing.

zcorpian88

Good man Seaneh, have a mighty Christmas

Busted Flat.

Amazing how things work on Boards, I got banned on another thread for mentioning the words SB.

Míshásta

Maybe the little gurrier has learnt his lesson.

In future he should just prey on feeble old age pensioners.

GreeBo

Santa Cruz wrote: »

These are the type of situations people should prepare for.

Size up the situation fast. If stand and fight is an option go for it

eh surely you only stay and fight if it's the only option?
I've run from several muggers over the years. I can run like a hot snot, can certainly outrun a scrote. So why wouldn't i?

Odyssey 2005

Fuggin Fergie has some neck. And spine. Well done. Should have put the p..ck in the Liffey,oh wait Phil Hogan would prob do you for pollution.

Seaneh

Seaneh wrote: »

I'll remember you".

I grew up reading Sherlock Holmes novels.

In those novels one of Sherlocks greatest strengths was his under ground network of homeless people who worked for him for a pittance. But he somehow always used to garner critical knowledge from these people by offering them minimum wage.

Having tried to recreate that.... I think I can with some confidence say.... that the guy who assured you he will remember you.... wont.... at all.... even if he takes time out to remember who he himself might be

cavalryman3

It was pretty god dam funny reading it when he said "you will be dead", PRICELESS !!!