What is your most memorable F1 race

counterlock

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

never seen the race

I stopped after this

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

There were a few different feeds and as far as I remember the one ITV had didn't show it so well. There's a few clips on Youtube and I think it's the feed that showed the Ferrari lad smash something in the garage was the one ya see Glock squirming all over the place on the straight.

i remember seeing massa's father getting upset by it alright but i havent seen the telemetry for it,any link of it???

andyman

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

i remember seeing massa's father getting upset by it alright but i havent seen the telemetry for it,any link of it???

A quick search and I found this post from the Brazilian GP thread on this forum:

zeris wrote: »

Don't have sector times:

Glock:
67 1'18.897
68 1'18.816
69 1'18.688
70 1'28.041
71 1'44.731

The only other dry tire runner was his teammate Trulli:
67 1'20.528
68 1'20.188
69 1'22.428
70 1'33.539
71 1'44.800

Like I said, someone posted the last lap telemetry somewhere. I'll look again.

http://www.timingf1.com/timing-São-Paulo-Race-Jarno-TRULLI-Timo-GLOCK-2008-18-5-11-12.html

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andyman wrote: »

A quick search and I found this post from the Brazilian GP thread on this forum:



Like I said, someone posted the last lap telemetry somewhere. I'll look again.

he lost 26 seconds over 3 laps????i'have to fast forward to the last 10 laps and see it

andyman

Jesus these last 5 laps were complete carnage. It's all coming back to me now.

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andyman wrote: »

Jesus these last 5 laps were complete carnage. It's all coming back to me now.

i only ever seen the pass by hamilton and massa's fathers reaction to it,TBH i thought massa had it in the bag

andyman

"Glock can tiptoe around the last lap and get the job done"

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glock lost 15 seconds on the final lap alone!i have mixed opinions

Gillespy

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

3 worst commentators of all time,Peter Collins RTE,Jonathan Legard BBC & James Allen ITV

James Allen isn't so bad, I can't be alone in thinking that? Gladly have him replace Croft in the morning. Legard, I have no problem with being on your list.

_rebelkid

Gillespy wrote: »

James Allen isn't so bad, I can't be alone in thinking that? Gladly have him replace Croft in the morning. Legard, I have no problem with being on your list.

I like James, but I wouldn't replace Crofty for him. I didn't have much problems with Jonathan Legard, but he is much more suited to soccer than F1.

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never heard legard doing soccer,as for allen he's a reporter not a commentator!when itv had the rights it was the lewis hamilton show,allen used go bonkers everytime he passed a car,murray walker was the commentator king!do either of ye remember that idiot peter collins???he couldnt pronounce some of the names properly and hadnt a clue about f1 in general

iDave

I remember the entire 1997 1999 2003 and 2012 seasons to be completely unmissable

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iDave wrote: »

I remember the entire 1997 1999 2003 and 2012 seasons to be completely unmissable

1999 & 2003 were 2 of the best sesaons there were,2012 is very close behind them,2013 the worst!!!

_rebelkid

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

never heard legard doing soccer,as for allen he's a reporter not a commentator!when itv had the rights it was the lewis hamilton show,allen used go bonkers everytime he passed a car,murray walker was the commentator king!do either of ye remember that idiot peter collins???he couldnt pronounce some of the names properly and hadnt a clue about f1 in general

Peter Collins was horrendous. I remember once I actually muted the TV and did my own commentary.

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_rebelkid wrote: »

Peter Collins was horrendous. I remember once I actually muted the TV and did my own commentary.

Horrendous is an understatement,i used walk out of the house when it was on,if you type his name into the search area on boards you'll find a thread about him that around 10 years old and in it rte heavily defend him,the one race i recall him going crazy was the 2001 malaysian gp when trulli was leading in the jirdan,guess how collins reacted when JT went off the track in the rain

Bugatti

We're going a bit of topic now with talk of Peter Collins but am I the only one who quite liked him? Loved the bias towards the Jordans and Irvine in the late 90's (especially 99!) when we had the Irish competing at the top end of Formula 1! He might not have been the best but I think horrendous is unfair, David Kennedy and Peter did a good job imo.

Speaking of 99, another memorable race for me was the Italian GP that year. Frentzen's last victory, Jordan's only win in the dry, Hakkinen's spin and breakdown and some great racing further down the field like Barrichello/Coulthard.

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Bugatti wrote: »

We're going a bit of topic now with talk of Peter Collins but am I the only one who quite liked him? Loved the bias towards the Jordans and Irvine in the late 90's (especially 99!) when we had the Irish competing at the top end of Formula 1! He might not have been the best but I think horrendous is unfair, David Kennedy and Peter did a good job imo.

Speaking of 99, another memorable race for me was the Italian GP that year. Frentzen's last victory, Jordan's only win in the dry, Hakkinen's spin and breakdown and some great racing further down the field like Barrichello/Coulthard.

Kennedy was fair enough,not great but he knew a hell of a lot more than collins,as for monza 99 that was classic racing,hakkinen exposed his emotions greatly that day,salo done a fine job in the ferrari and what about zanardi???up to 2nd and the floor of the car comes loose,typical of his luck yet ralf finished 2nd

Jordan 199

Bugatti wrote: »

We're going a bit of topic now with talk of Peter Collins but am I the only one who quite liked him? Loved the bias towards the Jordans and Irvine in the late 90's (especially 99!) when we had the Irish competing at the top end of Formula 1! He might not have been the best but I think horrendous is unfair, David Kennedy and Peter did a good job imo.

And Peter Collins would head onto EJ's yacht when the races were held in Monaco.

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Jordan 191 wrote: »

And Peter Collins would head onto EJ's yacht when the races were held in Monaco.

Oh collins thought he was it in "monacko"

andyman

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

glock lost 15 seconds on the final lap alone!i have mixed opinions

You have to remember that Glock was a good bit up the road from Trulli, so when he crossed the line to start the final lap the track wouldn't have been as bad as it was when Trulli eventually crossed it to start his final lap.

There's no conspiracy at all to it. If you still have some doubt about it then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

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andyman wrote: »

You have to remember that Glock was a good bit up the road from Trulli, so when he crossed the line to start the final lap the track wouldn't have been as bad as it was when Trulli eventually crossed it to start his final lap.

There's no conspiracy at all to it. If you still have some doubt about it then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Been watching f1 since i was 7,i'm 30 now,i watched the final few laps and thats what they said,15 seconds,but sure i'm not glock,toyota or the fia

calanus

The 1999 European Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. As a fan of the backmarkers I still remember when Badoer was 12 laps from a 4th place before his engine gave up on him. Gene still came in 6th.

Another was Canada 2007 - The one with Kubica's heavy crash. Takuma Sata in a super Aguri taking Alonso for 6th was very memorable.

flazio

Much preferred Collins to Declan Quigley but that's for another time.
As well as Belgium 98, and others already mentioned I'd like to add Monaco 95. Cars falling out left right and centre and Olivier Panis taking a great win.

SilverScreen

That was Monaco 1996.

Mike Litoris

Of recent memory, Brazil 08. I cant remember being more nervous/excited in the last few laps of a race. Montreal 2011 was epic too. Button was immense that day.

Before I started watching F1, that race for 2nd between Gilles and Arnoux at Djion in 79. Epic epic stuff altogether.

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How about Schumacher Belgium 1995?Barrichello Germany 2000?Raikkonen Japan 2005???

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flazio wrote: »

Much preferred Collins to Declan Quigley but that's for another time.
As well as Belgium 98, and others already mentioned I'd like to add Monaco 95. Cars falling out left right and centre and Olivier Panis taking a great win.

The only exciting thing about Monaco 95 was the pile up at the start,Panis in 96 though that was sone race

kksaints

Brazil 2003 was a brillant race as was Canada 2011 once you ignore the massive weather break which was around 90mins. Malaysia 2012 and Spain 2012 are also races I remember fondly.

hmmm

Showing my age now but Belgium '91. Jordan had become the first Irish team in F1, and were in the headlines for all the wrong reasons - one of their drivers, Bertrand Gachot, had been thrown into jail on an assault charge. Jordan's replacement was a certain Michael Schumacher, at the time a young relative nobody. His qualifying was amazing, and his start was incredible - his car gave up the ghost on the first lap, but it was clear that this was a major major talent who had come out of nowhere.

As for the race itself, Andrea De Cesaris (de crasheris), a much maligned driver who was doing great things for Jordan, drove a fabulous race and got as high as second, and started to close on Senna whose car was suffering gearbox problems. It really did look like Jordan could be on the verge of a win in their debut year. And then the crushing disappointment when the Jordan blew up a few laps from home.

I miss reliability problems in F1. It added a lot of drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i_RNPQwOwA

Mike Litoris

^^^ Man, I don't know if this is just a big burst of nostalgia but that was a great time to watch F1. Big names, big drivers, great teams, big rivalries, awesome engine sounds, awesome looking cars, Murray Walker........:(

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Mike Litoris wrote: »

^^^ Man, I don't know if this is just a big burst of nostalgia but that was a great time to watch F1. Big names, big drivers, great teams, big rivalries, awesome engine sounds, awesome looking cars, Murray Walker........:(

If only someone told a certain Bernard Charles Ecclestone

Gillespy

The cars that went up Eau Rouge this year are every bit as impressive in terms of sound and looks I think. Pretty strong driver line up too, five world champions. Nostalgia always takes the gloss of the present cars and drivers. Bernie can't win. Next year's cars better not sound like slightly louder Le Man cars though. We need that scream.

I do miss Murray Walker's voice with Hunt and later with Brundle. And those sparks. We only see sparks nowadays when the front wing fails.

greedygoblin

For me it's got to be Belgium 98. That race was just a roller coaster of emotions. It had everything. One that also sticks in the memory is Monaco 96, with just the three cars managing to finish the race. And Eddie Irvine holding up that gaggle of cars for so long. Seeing Hills engine going up in smoke made me exceptionally happy

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greedygoblin wrote: »

For me it's got to be Belgium 98. That race was just a roller coaster of emotions. It had everything. One that also sticks in the memory is Monaco 96, with just the three cars managing to finish the race. And Eddie Irvine holding up that gaggle of cars for so long. Seeing Hills engine going up in smoke made me exceptionally happy

Begium 1998 seems to be the no.1 for most people but do to regs/rule changes its highly unlikely we'll see such events in F1 again which from a spectators point of view is tragic to say the least

greedygoblin

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Begium 1998 seems to be the no.1 for most people but do to regs/rule changes its highly unlikely we'll see such events in F1 again which from a spectators point of view is tragic to say the least

Absolutely. Given if a smash like that at Belgium 98 taking out half the field were to happen today, a race would probably not be allowed to continue. Although with so many changes for next year you never know what could happen. I do expect car reliability to be a much bigger issue next season than it has been for many years.

Jordan 199

hmmm wrote: »

As for the race itself, Andrea De Cesaris (de crasheris), a much maligned driver who was doing great things for Jordan, drove a fabulous race and got as high as second, and started to close on Senna whose car was suffering gearbox problems. It really did look like Jordan could be on the verge of a win in their debut year. And then the crushing disappointment when the Jordan blew up a few laps from home.

De Cesaris was very good in 1991. Two back-to-back 4th place finishes in Canada and Mexico, 6th in France and 5th in Germany.

Here he is pushing his car across the start/finish line in Mexico to finish 4th:

flazio

Yes, thank you everyone, I meant Monaco 96 not 95. The 90s man, it was all a blur.

Damien360

2002 Austria, the barrichelllo/Schumacher pass still sticks in my mind.

I was in the pub that day with a few buddies watching it and at that very moment we all turned from the tv, asked the barman to switch channel and I stayed away from F1 until the arrival of vettel's first championship win. I would not have missed any race in any year previous for as long as I can remember, even the Aussie starts at ungodly hours were not missed.

That incident did huge damage to F1.

Tzardine

Abu Dhabi 2012

Great drive fro Vettel. Starts from the pits and finishes in 3rd. Sure a few things fell into place to help on the day but a superb drive all the same.

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Damien360 wrote: »

2002 Austria, the barrichelllo/Schumacher pass still sticks in my mind.

I was in the pub that day with a few buddies watching it and at that very moment we all turned from the tv, asked the barman to switch channel and I stayed away from F1 until the arrival of vettel's first championship win. I would not have missed any race in any year previous for as long as I can remember, even the Aussie starts at ungodly hours were not missed.

That incident did huge damage to F1.

Germany 2010 would be on par with it "Fernando is faster than you,can you confirm you understood that message" the only reason Austria in 2002 was worse is because it was the second year in a row he was ordered to yield,clearly surrending the victory in the line was beyond the limits for supporters that day

Mike Litoris

Damien360 wrote: »

2002 Austria, the barrichelllo/Schumacher pass still sticks in my mind.

I was in the pub that day with a few buddies watching it and at that very moment we all turned from the tv, asked the barman to switch channel and I stayed away from F1 until the arrival of vettel's first championship win. I would not have missed any race in any year previous for as long as I can remember, even the Aussie starts at ungodly hours were not missed.

That incident did huge damage to F1.

I had a similar experience watching Jerez 97 in a boozer. I was one of the few supporting Schumi...I was given an awful time.:p That was the end of my support for him.

Saw him at it again parking his Ferrari at Rascasse with my own eyes in Monaco 06.

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Mike Litoris wrote: »

I had a similar experience watching Jerez 97 in a boozer. I was one of the few supporting Schumi...I was given an awful time.:p That was the end of my support for him.

Saw him at it again parking his Ferrari at Rascasse with my own eyes in Monaco 06.

Monaco 06 was inexcusable;if he crashed the car maybe he'd have gotten away with it,but even me being an avid schumacher supporter couldnt support that.

MJ23

Brazil 2003. That was a crazy race.

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MJ23 wrote: »

Brazil 2003. That was a crazy race.

I always remember alnso hitting webbers tyre that was left in the middle of the track plus the f**k up by the stewards.those were the days

camel jockey

Gintonious wrote: »

Monza 1998 and Valencia 2012, both fantastic races.

Was a huge fan of Schumacher, and Monza in 98 was amazing, the lead changing twice in about 400 yards, just brilliant.

I was at Monza 1998, at Curva Parabolica, seated in front of one of the large screens.

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camel jockey wrote: »

I was at Monza 1998, at Curva Parabolica, seated in front of one of the large screens.

I'll never forget murray walker that day! "the lead changes twice in about 400 yards"

H3llR4iser

hmmm wrote: »

Showing my age now but Belgium '91. Jordan had become the first Irish team in F1, and were in the headlines for all the wrong reasons - one of their drivers, Bertrand Gachot, had been thrown into jail on an assault charge. Jordan's replacement was a certain Michael Schumacher, at the time a young relative nobody. His qualifying was amazing, and his start was incredible - his car gave up the ghost on the first lap, but it was clear that this was a major major talent who had come out of nowhere.

As for the race itself, Andrea De Cesaris (de crasheris), a much maligned driver who was doing great things for Jordan, drove a fabulous race and got as high as second, and started to close on Senna whose car was suffering gearbox problems. It really did look like Jordan could be on the verge of a win in their debut year. And then the crushing disappointment when the Jordan blew up a few laps from home.

I miss reliability problems in F1. It added a lot of drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i_RNPQwOwA

That race was great indeed, shame for Alesi who built a commanding lead and was firmly in control of it, only for his Ferrari engine to expire as it was almost an every race sight back then :mad:

Gillespy wrote: »

The cars that went up Eau Rouge this year are every bit as impressive in terms of sound and looks I think. Pretty strong driver line up too, five world champions. Nostalgia always takes the gloss of the present cars and drivers. Bernie can't win. Next year's cars better not sound like slightly louder Le Man cars though. We need that scream.

I do miss Murray Walker's voice with Hunt and later with Brundle. And those sparks. We only see sparks nowadays when the front wing fails.

Sorry, I can't agree even the tiniest bit with this. The high-revving V8 engines sound really bad with an high pitched and "empty" tone; The 1500HP v6 monsters of the '80s and the aspirated V10s and V12s of the early '90s sounded much "fuller", if I get the idea across. It's not really loudness that counts, it's the tone.

Current cars look hideous with horrid proportions (big front wing and small rear, stepped noses) and aerodynamic foils sprouting up everywhere, and they clearly much easier to drive than the older ones - the simple fact they can all go through Eau Rouge without even thinking about lifting up should say enough. A few current drivers who tested cars from the '80s said, with no embarrassment at all, that they'd be scared sh1tless about driving them in a race. Not that they wouldn't be able to, but still.

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H3llR4iser wrote: »

That race was great indeed, shame for Alesi who built a commanding lead and was firmly in control of it, only for his Ferrari engine to expire as it was almost an every race sight back then :mad:




Sorry, I can't agree even the tiniest bit with this. The high-revving V8 engines sound really bad with an high pitched and "empty" tone; The 1500HP v6 monsters of the '80s and the aspirated V10s and V12s of the early '90s sounded much "fuller", if I get the idea across. It's not really loudness that counts, it's the tone.

Current cars look hideous with horrid proportions (big front wing and small rear, stepped noses) and aerodynamic foils sprouting up everywhere, and they clearly much easier to drive than the older ones - the simple fact they can all go through Eau Rouge without even thinking about lifting up should say enough. A few current drivers who tested cars from the '80s said, with no embarrassment at all, that they'd be scared sh1tless about driving them in a race. Not that they wouldn't be able to, but still.

F1 is not what it used to be nor will it ever be the same again,rules/regs etc!the classics races of old will never return,its all artificial nowadays