Cattle underpass

dungfly

Anyone have any experience or info of cattle underpass. Thinking of build underpass for a narrow country road. Any specs or info for height, width, cost, tips etc.

49801

Most go precast... Croom concrete do them.
Usually just big enough for cattle and a quad

gozunda

Have you contacted local county council for guidelines ref road?
The road engineers may have some controls / specifications you may have to follow regarding loads and strengthening - I know its a bit of bother but may save some bother in long run.

dungfly

49801 wrote: »

Most go precast... Croom concrete do them.
Usually just big enough for cattle and a quad

How much for precast?

49801

dungfly wrote: »

How much for precast?

Sorry no idea on price but it's not a cheap job to do anyway.
Precast is used as it minimises road closure and really speeds up the job.

just do it

Remember seeing a figure of €40k for such a job. I think it was in a farmers journal article.

Zr105

Dont know a hole pile but i would say go talk to the suppliers of precast ones near to you and get the low down from them, they will know the ins and outs of applying to council in your area for planning, road closure permit (traffic), road opening license(to dig up the road) and all the other bits such as any bond the council may stipulate upon you to ensure the road is returned to the correct standard(most I've seen done are done better than the bloody road either side of it )and doesn't collapse within x amount of time(years)

Precast will more or less be the only option due to time, but you only need enough precast units for width of road plus ditch either side, the rest can be poured ten after.

One thing to think i before any of that though is, is there any services buried along the road, such as p&t, water main, sewer or gas main as these will cause major headaches and may also require you to go a lot deeper than normal to clear them

nhg

There's one done here locally, it was in the journal about a year ago, think it was in the region of €50K by the time it was finished.

3 the square

dungfly wrote: »

Anyone have any experience or info of cattle underpass. Thinking of build underpass for a narrow country road. Any specs or info for height, width, cost, tips etc.

I put one in a few years ago went for 6ft high cos I wanted to get the storm water in to a water course without having to use a pump went for 10ft wide got them off banaghar they come as 2 metre culverts I got 5 think they cost 10 thousand could have got away with 4 culverts but I wanted to put the ditch back up when I was finished nice neat job.

dungfly

3 the square wrote: »

I put one in a few years ago went for 6ft high cos I wanted to get the storm water in to a water course without having to use a pump went for 10ft wide got them off banaghar they come as 2 metre culverts I got 5 think they cost 10 thousand could have got away with 4 culverts but I wanted to put the ditch back up when I was finished nice neat job.

When you say "4 culverts" what exactly do you mean? What shaped tunnel is it within circular or rectangular?

3 the square

dungfly wrote: »

When you say "4 culverts" what exactly do you mean? What shaped tunnel is it within circular or rectangular?

rectangular culverts they are 2 meters in length you can get plastic circular pipe think jfc do them but its only one cow at the time and if she turned inside best of luck getting the lady out.

Muckit

3 the square wrote: »

I put one in a few years ago went for 6ft high.

Do you find yourself having to stoop to walk through? Just thinking with wellies etc a lad could clock his head easily. Suppose it'd only happen the once

3 the square

Muckit wrote: »

Do you find yourself having to stoop to walk through? Just thinking with wellies etc a lad could clock his head easily. Suppose it'd only happen the once

no iv few inches to spare !! had a discussion group ere few years ago had to tell few lanky lads to go handy..

sme5

Croom do the precast units which are approved by Cork Co. Co. For a herd less than 100 cows you would prob get away with a culvert 7ft high and 10ft (3m) wide (internal dimensions) if you have more cows than that you would prob want the wider culvert 3.5m wide internally. 7ft high culvert will allow the jeep through (toyota landcruiser and mitsubishi L200 tested) even with 3inches of concrete of floor for grip.

bob charles

sme5 wrote: »

Croom do the precast units which are approved by Cork Co. Co. For a herd less than 100 cows you would prob get away with a culvert 7ft high and 10ft (3m) wide (internal dimensions) if you have more cows than that you would prob want the wider culvert 3.5m wide internally. 7ft high culvert will allow the jeep through (toyota landcruiser and mitsubishi L200 tested) even with 3inches of concrete of floor for grip.

tell us about the rest of your products while your at it :rolleyes:

sme5

Sorry lad, Ive no affiliation with any concrete production company. Recently put in a tunnel, currently milking 70 cows. Looked into option of pouring walls outselves, not an option due to certification issues. Bought off Croom as they were cheapest we could buy. I own a land cruiser and a friend of mine called to see it and he drives an L200. Lets see your smart answer to this one now!!!

stop thelights

Gets pop corn.......this is going to be a good one!

bob charles

sme5 wrote: »

Sorry lad, Ive no affiliation with any concrete production company. Recently put in a tunnel, currently milking 70 cows. Looked into option of pouring walls outselves, not an option due to certification issues. Bought off Croom as they were cheapest we could buy. I own a land cruiser and a friend of mine called to see it and he drives an L200. Lets see your smart answer to this one now!!!

I dont have anyone, just your first post is very knowledgable of the product and what jeeps fit through it, dimensions and the certifications. I have often dealt with them myself

sme5

dungfly wrote: »

Anyone have any experience or info of cattle underpass. Thinking of build underpass for a narrow country road. Any specs or info for height, width, cost, tips etc.

Well the person who started it wanted info, I only put in tunnel last Sept so its all fresh in my mind. Also you can add a Ford Kuga to list of vehicles gone through it.

stop thelights

What was the price for the tunnel section and then the fully completed job if you mind me asking? I think there's a crowd in tipp that are doing the complete job but don't have a name for them

Deepsouthwest

stop thelights wrote: »

What was the price for the tunnel section and then the fully completed job if you mind me asking? I think there's a crowd in tipp that are doing the complete job but don't have a name for them

Put one in here in 2012, and another one in 2013. First one from Drumderry in Wexford, covering around 10 metres (5x2m culverts) cost around €12,500+vat. This was under a main road (white line in the middle of it). Overall cost for that was around €24,000+vat. Second one again covering around 10 metres, cost around €10,000 +vat from a guy called Bar-O- construction in millstreet. This was a secondary road, overall cost around €18,000+vat. Easier dig with this one made it much cheaper. Both those culvert prices included crane hire. All digger, tractor and concrete work was done and organised my ourselves, and a relation who's in plant hire. V basic tunnels, hence the prices, saw a guy in the journal who paid nearly €50,000 for one but had electricity and lights and all in his tunnel. Height wise, they're both over 2.1 metres high, so I'd say u could drive most jeeps etc through them, although the only thing I ever drove through them was the cows!

farmerjj

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Put one in here in 2012, and another one in 2013. First one from Drumderry in Wexford, covering around 10 metres (5x2m culverts) cost around €12,500+vat. This was under a main road (white line in the middle of it). Overall cost for that was around €24,000+vat. Second one again covering around 10 metres, cost around €10,000 +vat from a guy called Bar-O- construction in millstreet. This was a secondary road, overall cost around €18,000+vat. Easier dig with this one made it much cheaper. Both those culvert prices included crane hire. All digger, tractor and concrete work was done and organised my ourselves, and a relation who's in plant hire. V basic tunnels, hence the prices, saw a guy in the journal who paid nearly €50,000 for one but had electricity and lights and all in his tunnel. Height wise, they're both over 2.1 metres high, so I'd say u could drive most jeeps etc through them, although the only thing I ever drove through them was the cows!

Did this include the co co,s cut for closing the road and getting the planning? IE was your fiqures total cost???

Deepsouthwest

farmerjj wrote: »

Did this include the co co,s cut for closing the road and getting the planning? IE was your fiqures total cost???

Yes, closing the road cost about €7/800, u need two licences, a road closing and a road opening licence. Planning cost around €1450

stop thelights

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Put one in here in 2012, and another one in 2013. First one from Drumderry in Wexford, covering around 10 metres (5x2m culverts) cost around €12,500+vat. This was under a main road (white line in the middle of it). Overall cost for that was around €24,000+vat. Second one again covering around 10 metres, cost around €10,000 +vat from a guy called Bar-O- construction in millstreet. This was a secondary road, overall cost around €18,000+vat. Easier dig with this one made it much cheaper. Both those culvert prices included crane hire. All digger, tractor and concrete work was done and organised my ourselves, and a relation who's in plant hire. V basic tunnels, hence the prices, saw a guy in the journal who paid nearly €50,000 for one but had electricity and lights and all in his tunnel. Height wise, they're both over 2.1 metres high, so I'd say u could drive most jeeps etc through them, although the only thing I ever drove through them was the cows!

All in all that's is very reasonable price to be fair. It's was worth doing when you can cross your cows by your self in a safe manner. Agreeded on the lights being a bit ott!!

sme5

Lights are over the top alright. Ultimately the cost will depend on where on the farm it goes. The guy in the journal saw it as an extension of his yard and therefore wanted it to look the part. You have to bear in mind the same guy won farm yard of the year not so long ago also. (Presume the 50k tunnel being spoken about in the journal is the guy from Cork)

michaelhd

What width was the culverts? Am looking to put in an underpass, should be no more than 10 metres long. is there a precast tank needed to hold water?

sme5

Width can vary. 3m internally is a good with though.

sme5

Sorry, on the other question. Yes tank is required.

Deepsouthwest

sme5 wrote: »

Sorry, on the other question. Yes tank is required.

I was pricing the narrower (3m)culverts both times, but when push came to shove I got the wider ones (4m) for not much more. Having said that, 3m wide is prob wide enough, as cows normally walk through in single file, and you'll have a narrower dig as well

michaelhd

Would need one slightly wider. Probably 4m. Would have 200+ cows going through. Would it make it much more expensive than the two quoted above?

farmerjj

hey I,m wanting to price a underpass anyone know of and good contractor that does them in cork.thanks

Deepsouthwest

farmerjj wrote: »

hey I,m wanting to price a underpass anyone know of and good contractor that does them in cork.thanks

I mentioned the 2 guys earlier in this post that I dealt with in cork area, although I'd broaden my search to Munster, it's price which would dictate my decision

3 the square

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Put one in here in 2012, and another one in 2013. First one from Drumderry in Wexford, covering around 10 metres (5x2m culverts) cost around €12,500+vat. This was under a main road (white line in the middle of it). Overall cost for that was around €24,000+vat. Second one again covering around 10 metres, cost around €10,000 +vat from a guy called Bar-O- construction in millstreet. This was a secondary road, overall cost around €18,000+vat. Easier dig with this one made it much cheaper. Both those culvert prices included crane hire. All digger, tractor and concrete work was done and organised my ourselves, and a relation who's in plant hire. V basic tunnels, hence the prices, saw a guy in the journal who paid nearly €50,000 for one but had electricity and lights and all in his tunnel. Height wise, they're both over 2.1 metres high, so I'd say u could drive most jeeps etc through them, although the only thing I ever drove through them was the cows!

just wondering if ur underpass is flat crossing the road and if so how do u clean the cow sh?t out ??

Deepsouthwest

3 the square wrote: »

just wondering if ur underpass is flat crossing the road and if so how do u clean the cow sh?t out ??

One is flat, so digger bucket or slurry tank to clean that. Other one has a fall away from it, so no real build up there

arctictree

Just wondering is there any planning issues with these or do the council normally let you go ahead if you do it right?

Timmaay

Did I see a thread a while ago about someone who did a very low cost underpass themselves on a quite country Road? I got a busy private laneway splitting the milking block in 2, it's a pain having to hold back the cows now and put them across it. Does anyone know how much the basic precast blocks cost? It's a narrow laneway, 14ft wide would do, and the likes of 3m wide for the cows would be fine.

Kovu

Timmaay wrote: »

Did I see a thread a while ago about someone who did a very low cost underpass themselves on a quite country Road? I got a busy private laneway splitting the milking block in 2, it's a pain having to hold back the cows now and put them across it. Does anyone know how much the basic precast blocks cost? It's a narrow laneway, 14ft wide would do, and the likes of 3m wide for the cows would be fine.

This one?
Only one I can see that gives costs anyway!

Timmaay

.Kovu. wrote: »

This one?
Only one I can see that gives costs anyway!

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056906428/2
Found it! Money still a little strong, but if I could get one of the box sections for about 5k I'd dig it out and backfill it myself.

Greengrass1

Timmaay wrote: »

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056906428/2
Found it! Money still a little strong, but if I could get one of the box sections for about 5k I'd dig it out and backfill it myself.

As far as I know Tim you need planning permission and an engineer involved. And a specialist crowd to do it. Don't think you will be let do it yourself

Green&Red

Anyone done one of these in the west?
I asked Willis and they came back with a previous tender they had for €165k just for the civil, clearly not interested in getting the work.
Suggestions of a contractor would be appreciated

Mooooo

Perhaps get on to a concrete crowd who make the culvert, they may have an idea of your area. Did croom concrete offer a complete job?

Timmaay

Timmaay wrote: »

Did I see a thread a while ago about someone who did a very low cost underpass themselves on a quite country Road? I got a busy private laneway splitting the milking block in 2, it's a pain having to hold back the cows now and put them across it. Does anyone know how much the basic precast blocks cost? It's a narrow laneway, 14ft wide would do, and the likes of 3m wide for the cows would be fine.

Mother of God what was I smoking when I dreamed up that idea ha.

visatorro

Timmaay wrote: »

Timmaay wrote: »

Did I see a thread a while ago about someone who did a very low cost underpass themselves on a quite country Road? I got a busy private laneway splitting the milking block in 2, it's a pain having to hold back the cows now and put them across it. Does anyone know how much the basic precast blocks cost? It's a narrow laneway, 14ft wide would do, and the likes of 3m wide for the cows would be fine.

Mother of God what was I smoking when I dreamed up that idea ha.

Milk must have been 50 cent

yewtree

Green&Red wrote: »

Anyone done one of these in the west?
I asked Willis and they came back with a previous tender they had for €165k just for the civil, clearly not interested in getting the work.
Suggestions of a contractor would be appreciated

Any of the ones I have seen in the west have been done by Croom concrete