What's your BMI?

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

My imaginary friends :rolleyes:

You're trying to legitimise the use of a calculator whose sharp boundaries between normal and obese rest upon a single decimal place.

Logic, not once.

No thank you Jeff.

For heaven's sake. What don't you get about the phrase 'approximate scale'...does a decimal point reflect approximation? The number is treated in accordance with the other factors involved in the particular individual to provide an approximate state of that persons situation.

jantheman91

wretcheddomain wrote: »

For heaven's sake. What don't you get about the phrase 'approximate scale'...does a decimal point reflect approximation? The number is treated in accordance with the other factors involved in the particular individual to provide an approximate state of that persons situation.

You're either obese or you're not.

There's no approximately obese.

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

You're either obese or you're not.

There's no approximately obese.

Circular reasoning...how would you define a person as exactly obese, since you've just stated you're either obese or not. What clinical standard can you apply to make that statement?

efb

jantheman91 wrote: »

You're either obese or you're not.

There's no approximately obese.

slightly obese to morbidly obese

SV

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Circular reasoning...how would you define a person as exactly obese, since you've just stated you're either obese or not. What clinical standard can you apply to make that statement?

Body fat percentage.

Talib Fiasco

Mine is 20....BMI calculators are a joke though. Calculating body fat percentage is more efficient even though it's harder to get an 'accurate' read. Mine was about 10% last time I checked it.

wretcheddomain

SV wrote: »

Body fat percentage.

And what is the criteria for an obese person? Is the measurement of this an approximation?

wazky

Mines 30.

Im just big boned/genetically a fatty.

Unknown Soldier

efb wrote: »

I'm not fat, I'm just big boned! And Jessie From Breaking bad has given me one! Netflix!

You are posting a lot.

One could take things from that.

Magenta

pampootie wrote: »

overweight people who've insisted to me that bmi is rubbish because the Irish rugby team are all obese by it

Excuses excuses.... it's like saying that nobody should wear red because a small % don't look good in it!

Gael23

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Mine is 20....BMI calculators are a joke though. Calculating body fat percentage is more efficient even though it's harder to get an 'accurate' read. Mine was about 10% last time I checked it.

I've just done a body fat percentage calculation. Got 10.5 which is just within normal

PizzamanIRL

jantheman91 wrote: »

My imaginary friends :rolleyes:

You're trying to legitimise the use of a calculator whose sharp boundaries between normal and obese rest upon a single decimal place.

Logic, not once.

No thank you Jeff.

Who's Jeff?

jantheman91

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Circular reasoning...how would you define a person as exactly obese, since you've just stated you're either obese or not. What clinical standard can you apply to make that statement?

It's logical reasoning.

Body fat is a prime indicator of obesity not height to weight ratio.

Your critical thinking is clearly lacking.

efb

jantheman91 wrote: »

It's logical reasoning.

Body fat is a prime indicator of obesity not height to weight ratio.

Your critical thinking is clearly lacking.

your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, no wait... I'll eat this box of tea cakes instead

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

It's logical reasoning.

Body fat is a prime indicator of obesity not height to weight ratio.

Your critical thinking is clearly lacking.

I've never denied that body fat is an important critical indicator for obesity - I concur with that.

My reasoning is that he said "you're either obese or you're not, there is no approximately obese". That statement he made is false. Why? Because it's very difficult to measure the exact body fat % if you're an ordinary clinician, thus the value you assign to the body fat is an approximate %, it might be roughly accurate, but it's not certain enough to be described as exact. Thus, even if you accept the body fat indicator method that he wants, it still leaves you without an exact definition of what separates an obese person from not, and hence you'll always rely on approximations, the very thing he denied. Hence, my critical thinking is working efficiently. :-)

jantheman91

efb wrote: »

your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, no wait... I'll eat this box of tea cakes instead

Your attempts at being witty in each post have failed...incredibly.

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

Your attempts at being witty in each post have failed...incredibly.

I actually agree with you here - his unfunny posts are coming across as desperate for 'thanks'

Look how it's done...wretcheddomain hopes this gets thanked just to show how bad he is at being funny...

jantheman91

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I've never denied that body fat is an important critical indicator for obesity - I concur with that.

My reasoning is that he said "you're either obese or you're not, there is no approximately obese". That statement he made is false. Why? Because it's very difficult to measure the exact body fat % if you're an ordinary clinician, thus the value you assign to the body fat is an approximate %, it might be roughly accurate, but it's not certain enough to be described as exact. Thus, even if you accept the body fat indicator method that he wants, it still leaves you without an exact definition of what separates an obese person from not, and hence you'll always rely on approximations, the very thing he denied. Hence, my critical thinking is working efficiently. :-)

If you use a calipers to measure fat deposits in 4 areas you can get a far greater 'approximation' of a person's health.

You can do this as you are dealing with FAT directly and not a height to weight ratio that doesn't.

efb

jantheman91 wrote: »

Your attempts at being witty in each post have failed...incredibly.

I always take approval best from people with the last two digits from their DOB in their username :rolleyes:

wretcheddomain

efb wrote: »

I always take approval best from people with the last two digits from their DOB in their username :rolleyes:

Another epic fail...

efb

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I actually agree with you here - his unfunny posts are coming across as desperate for 'thanks'

Look how it's done...wretcheddomain hopes this gets thanked just to show how bad he is at being funny...

am I 7? thanks mean nothing to me, I'm drunk and I love keyboard warriors get their panties in a bunch about their weight :eek:

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

If you use a calipers to measure fat deposits in 4 areas you can get a far greater 'approximation' of a person's health.

You can do this as you are dealing with FAT directly and not a height to weight ratio that doesn't.

Yes - that's precisely my point though. It's an approximation.

Now what % is defined as obese?

jantheman91

efb wrote: »

am I 7? thanks mean nothing to me, I'm drunk and I love keyboard warriors get their panties in a bunch about their weight :eek:

12,800 posts of unwitty monotony.

It should be a banning offence for being so boring.

wretcheddomain

efb wrote: »

am I 7? thanks mean nothing to me, I'm drunk and I love keyboard warriors get their panties in a bunch about their weight :eek:

You're like an annoying daddy long legs flying around two sensible people trying to have a normal conversation...

Talib Fiasco

ryanf1 wrote: »

I've just done a body fat percentage calculation. Got 10.5 which is just within normal

How did you do it? If it's on the internet then it's not near accurate...the cheapest and still effective way is to get a body fat calipers.

jantheman91

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Yes - that's precisely my point though. It's an approximation.



http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm

It may be an approximation but you can't deny it's dealing with the culprit of obesity itself - Fat.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Normal, just....

Stupid tasty Christmas.

efb

wretcheddomain wrote: »

You're like an annoying daddy long legs flying around two sensible people trying to have a normal conversation...

A daddy long legs? You mean a crane fly?

Gael23

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

How did you do it? If it's on the internet then it's not near accurate...the cheapest and still effective way is to get a body fat calipers.

http://life.gaiam.com/article/how-calculate-your-ideal-body-fat-percentage

I used the formula in step 4 of that link. I only know my waist measurement so can't use the other ones

Talib Fiasco

jantheman91 wrote: »

6-10% is considered bodybuilding standard

11-17% is athletic

18-24% is defined as normal.

24% - ? is overweight

? + is obese.

It may be an approximation but you can't deny it's dealing with the culprit of obesity itself - Fat.

Bodybuilding is more like 1-6%. Athletic is like 7-14%.

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

18-24% is defined as normal.

24% - ? is overweight

? + is obese.

It may be an approximation but you can't deny it's dealing with the culprit of obesity itself - Fat.

I've agreed I think twice in previous posts that it's a prime indicator of the level of a persons obesity.

Here's the problem though. You derided the concept of BMI changing with a decimal place where an overweight changes to obese...but the same thing can be applied to this method. In both cases, we're dealing with approximations and if someone is very low down on the normal scale then they're approximately more obese than a person away. In other words, you can't escape from approximately obese, the very point I was trying to refute.

I think I've succeeded in proving that point.

efb

jantheman91 wrote: »

12,800 posts of unwitty monotony.

It should be a banning offence for being so boring.

you have only 430 but i can't be ar$ed reading them to pass a generalisation on...

jantheman91

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Bodybuilding is more like 1-6%. Athletic is like 7-14%.

Ye my apologies. Was busy looking for a link when I posted that.

Was trying to do it quickly.

1% is death, not bodybuilding standard.

wretcheddomain

efb wrote: »

A daddy long legs? You mean a crane fly?

Either way I'd kill it...

efb

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Either way I'd kill it...

Who the man! Grr!

jantheman91

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I've agreed I think twice in previous posts that it's a prime indicator of the level of a persons obesity.

Here's the problem though. You derided the concept of BMI changing with a decimal place where an overweight changes to obese...but the same thing can be applied to this method. In both cases, we're dealing with approximations and if someone is very low down on the normal scale then they're approximately more obese than a person away. In other words, you can't escape from approximately obese, the very point I was trying to refute.

I think I've succeeded in proving that point.

You still haven't responded to what i've implied...

Do you agree that utilising an index (that doesn't deal with fat directly) is not the best way of defining whether a person is obese or otherwise.

Talib Fiasco

ryanf1 wrote: »

http://life.gaiam.com/article/how-calculate-your-ideal-body-fat-percentage

I used the formula in step 4 of that link. I only know my waist measurement so can't use the other ones

Hmmm yeah that wouldn't be too reliable/accurate I'd imagine but if you worked out as 10.5 then you're almost certainly in great shape and in good health!

jantheman91

If you want the most accurate way of determining BF% go get it done via DEXA Scan.

wretcheddomain

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I suspect quite a lot of you will subscribe at least to the overweight category.

sammyjo90 wrote: »

Wow...

Currently 32% of AH subscribe to the overweight category (or greater) so I think my assumption was proven correct. That's quite a sizeable number.

wretcheddomain

jantheman91 wrote: »

You still haven't responded to what i've implied...

Do you agree that utilising an index (that doesn't deal with fat directly) is not the best way of defining whether a person is obese or otherwise.

I'll deal with that when you concede that your earlier statement of...

You're either obese, or you're not. There's no approximately obese.

...is a manifestly false one as elucidated over our discussion of the past few pages.

bmwguy

According to this test I am waaaaaay too short

Talib Fiasco

jantheman91 wrote: »

Ye my apologies. Was busy looking for a link when I posted that.

Was trying to do it quickly.

1% is death, not bodybuilding standard.

Believe it or believe it not but a guy I know from my gym did the water displacement body fat test and showed me the proper results papers and he was like 2%. The guy is a complete fitness freak though.

efb

Do Fisher Price do Bench Presses?

wretcheddomain

efb wrote: »

Do Fisher Price do Bench Presses?

...if they did, they'd be the best bench presses in the world.

WilyCoyote

BMI of 32.2 and feel great. Put on about 5 lbs over the Christmas. Am healthy, do an energetic job, don't smoke (but I enjoy secondary smoke :P) and drink plenty red wine.
Good God, I'm still alive!

efb

wretcheddomain wrote: »

...if they did, they'd be the best bench presses in the world.

thats Carlsberg trademarked dear!

wretcheddomain

WilyCoyote wrote: »

BMI of 32.2 and feel great. Put on about 5 lbs over the Christmas. Am healthy, do an energetic job, don't smoke (but I enjoy secondary smoke :P) and drink plenty red wine.
Good God, I'm still alive!

The realistic way of interpreting this is...

I'm considered clinically obese...
I smoke...
I drink a lot...
I've eaten a sh1tload over Christmas...

anncoates

wretcheddomain wrote: »

The realistic way of interpreting this is...

....a load of people splitting hairs for hours about weight calculation on a Saturday night over Christmas.

efb

anncoates wrote: »

....a load of people splitting hairs for hours about weight calculation on a Saturday night over Christmas.

great isn't it

carraig2

anncoates wrote: »

....a load of people splitting hairs for hours about weight calculation on a Saturday night over Christmas.

I know, it just doesn't get better than this.........