Raw 30/12/13 *Spoilers*

CSF

Moneymaker wrote: »

Yeah, you should form your own stable.

Call it The Three Marks.

Just to go back to this, I do like this idea, but I would prefer if we could go for a better name.

GTR63

DM-ICE wrote: »

Its worth mentioning that the last 40 mins or so of RAW was all about Bryan. It happened in the main event and was given a lot of time.

Also worth mentioning Cena & Orton weren't even on the show. Not as if an IC title match or a drab Punk vs Rollins match were much competition. Lesnar's return was the only other noteworthy thing that happened.

Moneymaker

CSF wrote: »

Just to go back to this, I do like this idea, but I would prefer if we could go for a better name.

I have plenty of suggestions but I'd rather not be banned. :pac:

CSF

GTR63 wrote: »

Also worth mentioning Cena & Orton weren't even on the show. Not as if an IC title match or a drab Punk vs Rollins match were much competition. Lesnar's return was the only other noteworthy thing that happened.

It was the most noteworthy thing that could have happened to be honest. Maybe not for some, but every time Lesnar shows up I still turn into the equivalent of a 10 year old Cena fanboy. He is the one guy WWE still have that can still look completely unstoppable.

I mean you have Cena who wins all the time, but he doesn't have Lesnar's brute force, you've Bryan the underdog who can, Punk who like Bryan is noted for his wrestling ability, Orton who gets the job done, you've even got guys like Langston and Reigns who do the whole big guy thing really well, and you've guys like Khali and Big Show who do the whole big guy thing, but nobody (not even Mark Henry who I absolutely love) convinces you that he is completely unstoppable like Brock Lesnar.

DM_7

CSF wrote: »

He just joined the Wyatts. If there is one man who doesn't need to be in any stable, it is Daniel Bryan, never mind the Wyatts, never mind not even being the leader of said stable. Just give the man something decent to do, a rivalry with Cena where they don't just backpat each other would be fine, another go at Orton if he is going to finally take the title, Lesnar and Batista are back, Undertaker will be back in town, CM Punk and Bryan would have potential if it was twisted the right way. There are some of them I would like to see alot more than others, but give him something decent to do. He has been phenomenal all year.

The Wyatt feud is something decent to do though and was presented as an important fued since it started.

I understand that you don't like the feud which is fine, but you not liking it doesn't make it not worthwhile.

Bryan joined the Wyatts because of the Machine (the authority, who have held him back and wouldn't even give him a singles match with Bray so he finally broke) not because of Bray Wyatt. As I already said Bryan is involved in a concurrent storyline that I would expect to come to the fore again in the next three months before mania.

DM_7

GTR63 wrote: »

Also worth mentioning Cena & Orton weren't even on the show. Not as if an IC title match or a drab Punk vs Rollins match were much competition. Lesnar's return was the only other noteworthy thing that happened.

True.

But it could easily have happened in the first hour and had Punk or Leaner at the end of the show. It could easily have been done in 10 minutes or on Smackdown.

To me, the way WWE were hapy to allow both Orton and Cena to be at a house show and have Bryan giving in as the focal point of the show says a lot about how important they actually view Bryan as.

CSF

DM-ICE wrote: »

The Wyatt feud is something decent to do though and was presented as an important fued since it started.

I understand that you don't like the feud which is fine, but you not liking it doesn't make it not worthwhile.

It means I think it is not worthwhile. Clearly you differ on that. I'm surprised you don't think Bryan deserves better though.

Moneymaker

CSF wrote: »

It was the most noteworthy thing that could have happened to be honest. Maybe not for some, but every time Lesnar shows up I still turn into the equivalent of a 10 year old Cena fanboy. He is the one guy WWE still have that can still look completely unstoppable.

I mean you have Cena who wins all the time, but he doesn't have Lesnar's brute force, you've Bryan the underdog who can, Punk who like Bryan is noted for his wrestling ability, Orton who gets the job done, you've even got guys like Langston and Reigns who do the whole big guy thing really well, and you've guys like Khali and Big Show who do the whole big guy thing, but nobody (not even Mark Henry who I absolutely love) convinces you that he is completely unstoppable like Brock Lesnar.

Lesnar was booked as a big deal from day 1 back in 2002. He has an aura of invincibility about him that never wavers despite WWE doing their best to **** it up since his comeback.

And he doesn't need to say a word. The man excudes presence by simply standing there.

CSF

Moneymaker wrote: »

Lesnar was booked as a big deal from day 1 back in 2002. He has an aura of invincibility about him that never wavers despite WWE doing their best to **** it up since his comeback.

And he doesn't need to say a word. The man excudes presence by simply standing there.

I'm not sure the WWE could f*** it up even if they tried. The man is a colossus, the likes of which we haven't seen. I mean who is the closest we've had to him in terms of the 'monster' thing?

gerTheGreat

To be fair, his UFC run lends a legitimacy to Lesnar's presentation as a monster.

Mokuba

gerTheGreat wrote: »

To be fair, his UFC run lends a legitimacy to Lesnar's presentation as a monster.

True.

SimonQuinlank

Bryan realises that HHH/Steph will never give him a fair chance at winning the title,so he:

1) Pretends to join the Wyatt family.

2) The entire Wyatt family enters the rumble in order to help Bray win it.

3) Bryan double crosses Bray at end in order to win the rumble as he knew he needed the help and to fool the authority in order for them to even let him in the Royal Rumble match

4.We get Cena vs Bryan for the title,like Cena promised a few weeks back.

Or

Bryan is jaded and has lost so much perspective that he joins the Wyatt's out of frustration,leading to his good mate Cena and his new best mate Hulk Hogan trying to save his soul and slowly turning Bryan back around to the idea that good is better than evil,which results in him turning his back on the Wyatts, leading to a 6 man tag at Mania.

Either scenario is grand by me.No way is Bryan going full on heel anyway.

GTR63

SimonQuinlank wrote: »

Bryan is jaded and has lost so much perspective that he joins the Wyatt's out of frustration,leading to his good mate Cena and his new best mate Hulk Hogan trying to save his soul and slowly turning Bryan back around to the idea that good is better than evil,which results in him turning his back on the Wyatts, leading to a 6 man tag at Mania.

I`m afraid Hogan will be preoccupied on the nite as Lesnar still owes him that win

Jester252

You should all be thankful for Bryan joining the Wyatt Family. Now they can replace Erick with Bryan and keep him away from the ring.

rovert

CM Punk explains why the babyfaces didn't run out for Daniel Bryan in the final segment:

Bare in mind babyfaces have been running out to save one another to setup tag matches for a few weeks/months now.

A ponytail less Paul Heyman mentions Batista's return and promises something Old School from Brock Lesnar next week

D.Q

rovert wrote: »

videos

absolute crying shame that these don't make it on to tv

GTR63

D.Q wrote: »

absolute crying shame that these don't make it on to tv

Fit them in the gap in Smackdown where they repeat a Raw match. Last week they showed the rubbish 12 Diva Tag Match again
Tna do a good job of showing stuff like that

gerTheGreat

TBH, it would probably ruin the pacing. The RAW recaps are there to fill in for the shorter ad breaks that the UK has (as opposed to the US).

I love the WWE's use of videos. I wish that they'd do it more. It's a prefect tool to build the "logic" of what's going on in the WWE. They are a natural replacement for/ evolution of in-ring promos and interview segments.

QikBax

Saw an interesting theory on another forum earlier which probably isn't true because there is way too much long term planning in it for them but sounds interesting.

It posits that this is all part of a Wyatt family plan to take out The Authority.

- Kane returned after being "kidnapped" by the Wyatt's, removed his mask and said "I'm yours" to Stephanie thus becoming a mole within The Authority.

- Bryan joined the Wyatt's after repeatedly being screwed by the Authority. He also said "I'm yours".

- Bray keeps talking about destroying "The Machine"

I'm sure there's loads of holes in it but an interesting theory none the less. There was talk of a Wyatt face turn a few months ago but nobody could think of how it would be done. Would also lead to a Shield v Wyatts match at Mania

Lord TSC

That would be a fascinating and awesome storyline.

It isn't anywhere near the level WWE is capable of though.

Deadlie

It'll be interesting to see if the 'Devil' Bray used to mention a lot is the mastermind behind the whole thing, too. Vince doesn't look like he's up for it anymore, but it could be great to have someone with a similar standing to come back in a figurehead role, commanding the Wyatts and taking down the Authority. Taker would be awesome - it'd tee up Taker vs Authority's face come WM too.

Mokuba

I think they didn't know what they were doing with the "Devil" thing and dropped it. Considering they haven't mentioned it in like a month and a half, I think it's safe to assume that storyline has been dropped.

Likewise with whatever they originally planned with Kane and The Wyatts.

Deadlie

It's amazing how much gets dropped. Kinda silly too - not everything gets a positive reaction from the get go, but nor should it. It's like giving up Home Alone before you get to the payoff at the end. If you don't have Kevin doing the washing, you can't have the irons falling on Marv's head.

gimmick

Moneymaker wrote: »

Why is it CSF and Mokuba almost always post around the same time and have the same opinions...?

Moneymaker - if you suspect someone is double posting, report the post rather than make unsubstantiated accusations on thread.

Lithium93_

Anybody catch this fella pulling on a John Cena t-shirt over a Daniel Bryan t-shirt during Monday's Raw

gerTheGreat

Never Respect the Beard? Is that John Cena's new motto?

DM_7

Hoping Bryan turns up in something like this next week

gnfnrhead

SimonQuinlank wrote: »

Bryan realises that HHH/Steph will never give him a fair chance at winning the title,so he:

1) Pretends to join the Wyatt family.

2) The entire Wyatt family enters the rumble in order to help Bray win it.

3) Bryan double crosses Bray at end in order to win the rumble as he knew he needed the help and to fool the authority in order for them to even let him in the Royal Rumble match

4.We get Cena Bray vs Bryan for the title,like Cena promised a few weeks back.

That's a much more likely outcome.

CastorTroy

When read here there was a house show on the same night, I was thinking "Strange, didn't notice anyone missing" Then realised they didn't have Rey, Show, Cena or Orton. Shows how noticed they were

gnfnrhead

CastorTroy wrote: »

When read here there was a house show on the same night, I was thinking "Strange, didn't notice anyone missing" Then realised they didn't have Rey, Show, Cena or Orton. Shows how noticed they were

I noticed Wifey, Orton and Cena. Only noticed the like of Big Show and Cody etc afterwards.

Mr.Nice Guy

DM-ICE wrote: »

Hoping Bryan turns up in something like this next week

I was thinking the same thing. In fact, they'd be stupid not to do this as they'll never have a better reason to do it. They could make it part of his entrance where he wears it to the ring and then takes it off before he fights. And when he turns back babyface (which I think we all see happening shortly) he could still use it while he feuds with the Wyatts. Could be a lovely money earner for them short-term.

DM_7

A mask would have to be better than the little towel (?) he has at the minute

GTR63

DM-ICE wrote: »

A mask would have to be better than the little towel (?) he has at the minute

Whats up with that is it is Non in ring related Divas thread Rag?