Hip Hop 2014

Zero-Cool · 21-11-2014 11:32am

Shady XV was actually hard to listen to, awful.

weemcd · 21-11-2014 2:21pm

Let's face it the quality of Eminem's output has been consistently poor for the last number of years.

Much of his music revolves around sadistic lyrics talking about dark subject matter with his dark humour. He's supposedly got 'clean' and as bad as it may sound his music was much better and creative when he was on drugs.

I doubt we'll ever see him return to form now. To sober, too depressed sounding.

mufcboy1999 · 22-11-2014 2:45am

weemcd wrote: »

Let's face it the quality of Eminem's output has been consistently poor for the last number of years.

Much of his music revolves around sadistic lyrics talking about dark subject matter with his dark humour. He's supposedly got 'clean' and as bad as it may sound his music was much better and creative when he was on drugs.

I doubt we'll ever see him return to form now. To sober, too depressed sounding.

Said it numerous times, bar relapse,it's being good. The context of his new music is touching upon real experiences he's had while also connecting with people who've had similar struggles e.g. depression or loss of a loved one etc (proof).

Personally I'm delighted he's not rapping like he was on drugs, he's a grown man, that's was then and this is now. em has progressed his content as far as lryics but also clearly has matured as a person from his experiences. I love his old stuff just as much as the next em fan, but you have to leave it in the past , it's a different era.

Ye we still get the odd crazy song or outbursts like the recent verse about iggy, but for the best part I think he's done well.

We're never going to get the old Eminem, the same as we'll never get the old kanye or jay z etc but he's definitely done a lot better than the likes of them at progressing. He's never had to sell out and wear a skirt or ponse around with auto tune like the absoulote idiot kanye is or surround himself with other relevant artists like jay z does, he's still relevant and still rapping circles around just about everyone.

Orizio · 22-11-2014 5:17am

weemcd wrote: »

Let's face it the quality of Eminem's output has been consistently poor for the last number of years.

Much of his music revolves around sadistic lyrics talking about dark subject matter with his dark humour. He's supposedly got 'clean' and as bad as it may sound his music was much better and creative when he was on drugs.

I doubt we'll ever see him return to form now. To sober, too depressed sounding.

Agreed. As an artist at this stage he is creatively bankrupt, even if he can still flow. 'Relapse' was the last time he tried sometime different and he got badly burnt.

Talib Fiasco · 22-11-2014 1:00pm

Only hearing Black Milk's latest effort now...very very nice album.

mufcboy1999 · 23-11-2014 1:32am

Orizio wrote: »

Agreed. As an artist at this stage he is creatively bankrupt, even if he can still flow. 'Relapse' was the last time he tried sometime different and he got badly burnt.

Did recovery sound like any other Eminem album ?

Everyone including Eminem knows relapse was a dud, he's said that himself numerous times so in truth it's not something we can really throw at him,he's not in denial about it.

Orizio · 27-11-2014 4:15pm

You are completely misunderstanding me. My point is 'Relapse' was the last album that Eminem made that had some balls and creativity, even if it was a mess. Almost everything since then has been generic, Hip-Pop by numbers crap that might as well not exist.

Jezek · 28-11-2014 1:23am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

We're never going to get the old Eminem, the same as we'll never get the old kanye or jay z etc but he's definitely done a lot better than the likes of them at progressing. He's never had to sell out and wear a skirt or ponse around with auto tune like the absoulote idiot kanye is or surround himself with other relevant artists like jay z does, he's still relevant and still rapping circles around just about everyone.

Man we don't even want old Kanye. I really can't wait to see where he goes nect.I hated his last album but critics still liked it. Kanye isn't a washup, Kanye is at his peak. Kanye is relevant in a major way. Autotune around 808's was relevant. The industrial sound of his latest album was relevant ( even if i think he executed it very poorly). I don't care what Kanye wears, I care about the music.

Jay-Z can't rap for **** nowadays but at least he can choose a great beat. Eminem wouldn't know a good beat if it etc etc. Jay z is not relevant, I agree with you.

Eminem now...how is he relevant? Come on, man, I don't even argue with people from boards about hip-hop.I mostly disagree with people from here about just about everything. but I couldnt let this one slide.

However hard you're stanning don't claim Eminem is relevant. I mean I am an actual Eminem fan and I still listen to his music. So this isn't coming from hatred, just the truth.

AboutaWeekAgo · 28-11-2014 1:40am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

He's never had to sell out and wear a skirt or ponse around with auto tune like the absoulote idiot kanye is

Kane wearing a skirt and using auto tune is selling out now? Could you expand on that part a bit?

Edit: It's not like Kanye using auto tune on 808s was a major shock either, he's been using it before he put out his first album.

Orizio · 28-11-2014 5:50am

Did someone say Eminem never sold out...?

Dude has been selling out for years.

Kanye keeps doing different things and going in different directions, which is what actual artists do.

Orizio · 28-11-2014 5:59am

Great review here btw. And hilarious.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20036-various-artists-shady-xv/

Doris300 · 29-11-2014 5:58pm

Eminem at the moment seems to have a very bad musical brain at the moment and for the last ten years. He latches onto trends that don't suit him and would not work and always picks terrible beats. He loves to overly poppy songs that sound Flo Rida-esque for some reason. Compared to Kanye who has been very consistent in always releasing something fresh that works.

Brendan Filone · 01-12-2014 1:25pm

"PRhyme", the Royce da 5'9" and DJ Premier collaborative album is out.

Stream it here:

http://www.npr.org/2014/11/30/367593329/first-listen-prhyme-prhyme

Boom_Bap · 01-12-2014 2:11pm

NPR also have a stream of the new Ghosty album
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=366345902&m=366642108

Brian · 01-12-2014 4:25pm

Flylo and Doom https://soundcloud.com/flyinglotus/masquatch-ft-doom

BBNG mix up some soul

Andy_rse · 02-12-2014 8:17pm

New Doomtree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_vnPJLpOQ

New album out in January

Doris300 · 03-12-2014 6:05pm

New J Cole album leaked.....

Talib Fiasco · 05-12-2014 11:30pm

Very impressed with the new Ghostface album. An obscure release I'm liking is Von Pea and The Other Guys - To You

mufcboy1999 · 06-12-2014 1:05am

Kane wearing a skirt and using auto tune is selling out now? Could you expand on that part a bit?

Auto tune is not exactly rapping is it? he abandoned the mic to make a pop album, lets be honest. As far as him wearing women's clothes and spazzing out like a clown, it speaks for itself.

Autotune around 808's was relevant

was it hip hop?

Eminem now...how is he relevant?

you cant be serious, from a hip hop and commercial perspective he wipes the floor with kanye when it comes to relevance. Kanye is in the news for his personal life way more than he is musically. Also its worth noting he's mainly relevant in the media because of that complete slut he's with or the blatantly obvious staged outbursts, aka cries for attention.

The last album yeezus, complete and utter rubbish, serious headache even thinking about it. Best described as pure noise,and don't get me started on the ego driven average abc lyrics, no way comparable to em as an emcee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifBJumarrDM

Jezek · 06-12-2014 1:10am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Auto tune is not exactly rapping is it? he abandoned the mic to make a pop album, lets be honest. As far as him wearing women's clothes and spazzing out like a clown, it speaks for itself.

was it hip hop?

you cant be serious, from a hip hop and commercial perspective he wipes the floor with kanye when it comes to relevance. Kanye is in the news for his personal life way more than he is musically. Also its worth noting he's mainly relevant in the media because of that complete slut he's with or the blatantly obvious staged outbursts, aka cries for attention.

The last album yeezus, complete and utter rubbish, serious headache even thinking about it. Best described as pure noise,and don't get me started on the ego driven average abc lyrics, no way comparable to em as an emcee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifBJumarrDM

man seriously what is your problem with Kanye? I'm not gonna get into an argument with you, I did not enjoy Yeezus either but spazzing out? he's with a complete slut? Talking again again about what he wears? I know this is a hip hop forum but you might have gotten a bit carried away listening to the latest RTJ or something. Keep it to the music, no one cares about your other 'arguments'

I know I said I would not argue but! Kanye is 10000 more relevant to the culture than Eminem. look at the accolades he gets for his albums even as Eminems get panned. Look at the excellent and refreshing production he's done for Pusha T and others.

Jezek · 06-12-2014 1:14am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_WTsU_f8Eg

what beat has eminem crafted that sounds fresh in 2014 ? Obviously Kanye didn't pioneer this sound but he's jumped on it pretty fast for a mainstream album. Same thing he did with the industrial sound that clppng / death grips / RTJ was on at the time of Yeezus. ( I just think he didn't understand that trend very well).

AboutaWeekAgo · 06-12-2014 7:05am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Auto tune is not exactly rapping is it? he abandoned the mic to make a pop album, lets be honest. As far as him wearing women's clothes and spazzing out like a clown, it speaks for itself.

No 808s was a pretty much a pop album with some rapping on it I still can't see how that is him selling out tbh. He tried something new, which is what innovative artists do. The next album he put out was MBDTF which speaks for itself.

You're still going on about what he wears as if it effects the type of music he makes. I saw himself and Jay Z on the WTT tour, Kanye was wearing a skirt and put on one of the best live hip hop shows I've ever seen. It seems like you pay attention to his personal life more than you do his music, I don't care what he does outside the studio or stage, I don't pay attention to it.

Orizio · 06-12-2014 7:39am

I'm not even sure Kanye argued that 808s was a Hip-Hop album. Personally I didn't like the album - didn't like Yeezus either - but as someone said real artists try something different every album (aka Outkast, Kanye, The Roots, Nas etc), rather than just re-hashing the same concepts/ideas (aka Eminem).

RollieFingers · 06-12-2014 1:48pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Auto tune is not exactly rapping is it? he abandoned the mic to make a pop album, lets be honest. As far as him wearing women's clothes and spazzing out like a clown, it speaks for itself.

was it hip hop?

you cant be serious, from a hip hop and commercial perspective he wipes the floor with kanye when it comes to relevance. Kanye is in the news for his personal life way more than he is musically. Also its worth noting he's mainly relevant in the media because of that complete slut he's with or the blatantly obvious staged outbursts, aka cries for attention.

The last album yeezus, complete and utter rubbish, serious headache even thinking about it. Best described as pure noise,and don't get me started on the ego driven average abc lyrics, no way comparable to em as an emcee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifBJumarrDM

What does any of that have to do with Kanye West's skill on the mic? Particularly the bit about the "complete slut" he's with? You seem to be very annoyed by him, perhaps go listen to another Eminem/Rhianna classic to take your mind off it

Boom_Bap · 06-12-2014 3:52pm

I still can't get my head around why there is hatred for Kanye. Hip Hop pure-ists obviously don't like him for his stepping outside of the hip hop sound that he owned and dominated for the early part of his career.
What he says in the media actually makes alot of sense, and I'm sure having to repeat it constantly is tedious.
As for Kim, are you saying you wouldn't?
As for his fashion, he doesn't follow trends, he tries to set them. That show other sides of his innovation, and that people do latch on to it.
The dude is a genius. A risk taking genius.

The only conclusion I can make is that some guys have that jealousy thing that would be alot more prevalent in females. You know how a girl will hate Y in the celebrity world because of a certain photo shoot, and its' mainly jealousy that they dont look that good.

Just to add, I don't agree with his fashion choices, I don't like all his music but I respect his cajones in actually doing it.

FYI - the leaked images of the new Yeezi had me laughing they looked so bad

mufcboy1999 · 06-12-2014 11:54pm

man seriously what is your problem with Kanye? I'm not gonna get into an argument with you, I did not enjoy Yeezus either but spazzing out? he's with a complete slut? Talking again again about what he wears?

My problem, hes a materialistic moran who represents a lot of what's wrong with society in general. I seriously can't see how someone could like a personality like the one he portrays, obviously none of us know him personally, but he acts like a spoilt brat. He's a multi millionaire who's let money change and influence him way too much, he's completely changed as an artist.

kim kardashian is a slut, there's no point in acting like she's not, we've all seen the ray j video. Who really cares about his fashion exploits, the interview with sway sums it all up, yet another example of his spoilt, horrible manner.

Musically, he's overhyped. 1st two albums were great, 3rd average imo, mbdtf had nice beats but was too feature heavy and as previously said here, overcooked some unnecessary stuff on it.

I still can't get my head around why there is hatred for Kanye

in fairness boom bap he's fairly popular here on boards, i've never been a big fan which is obvious but he's always quickly defended here like he can do no wrong.

As for Kim, are you saying you wouldn't?

of course i would but with kanyes money to settle with that kind of woman? not a hope, you'd have nearly any woman on the planet with his cash, definitely one who hasn't had half of hollywood's d*cks inside her, she defines the term bike, shes the hollywood bike.

She bought those looks anyway, not as if there natural.

What does any of that have to do with Kanye West's skill on the mic?

you must of missed bound 2

, just horrible, pass me the paracetamol.

btw, im not defending em as a producer, i dont like the majority of his production. As far as lunch money, love pusha t, but even his flow cant make up for that butchered beat he's on, horrible, yeezus like, all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAtAM7vtgc

Jezek · 07-12-2014 12:06am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

My problem, hes a materialistic moran who represents a lot of what's wrong with society in general. I seriously can't see how someone could like a personality like the one he portrays, obviously none of us know him personally, but he acts like a spoilt brat. He's a multi millionaire who's let money change and influence him way too much, he's completely changed as an artist.

kim kardashian is a slut, there's no point in acting like she's not, we've all seen the ray j video. Who really cares about his fashion exploits, the interview with sway sums it all up, yet another example of his spoilt, horrible manner.

Musically, he's overhyped. 1st two albums were great, 3rd average imo, mbdtf had nice beats but was too feature heavy and as previously said here, overcooked some unnecessary stuff on it.

in fairness boom bap he's fairly popular here on boards, i've never been a big fan which is obvious but he's always quickly defended here like he can do no wrong.

of course i would but with kanyes money to settle with that kind of woman? not a hope, you'd have nearly any woman on the planet with his cash, definitely one who hasn't had half of hollywood's d*cks inside her, she defines the term bike, shes the hollywood bike.

She bought those looks anyway, not as if there natural.

you must of missed bound 2 , just horrible, pass me the paracetamol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAtAM7vtgc

again, moran ( sic) , his interviews, his wife (this is not the gossip forum). Who cares? Can you talk music ? In any case I agree with you , Bound 2 sees him perform very poorly as an MC (marginally better as a producer). However he has shown he can rap, and no-one can dispute his producer chops.

An added point: could you please avoid calling anyone a 'slut' etc ? just as a favour for me.

Doris300 · 07-12-2014 12:27am

It would be great if the likes of Jay-Z and Eminem had the same ambition as Kanye to try something new. Even if I didn't like atleast it's not another meh album like the last 10 years.

Jezek · 07-12-2014 12:51am

Doris300 wrote: »

It would be great if the likes of Jay-Z and Eminem had the same ambition as Kanye to try something new. Even if I didn't like atleast it's not another meh album like the last 10 years.

American Gangster was 7 years ago for Jay -Z

Joking aside, your point completely stands.

That's why I applaud artists who try things instead of rehashing - look at Big Boi - made a classic album (Sir Lucious Left Foot) when he went solo, and then for the second one he went kinda indie rock/ electronic. Now, I don't think it's his best stuff, but I admire the sheer vision and ambition he had making that record (Vicious Lies).

On the other hand, not everyone has to re-invent themselves.
Look at Ghostface - he isn't afraid to get out there, collaborate with different people and stir things up. Yeah he's true to his style but it feels like he's trying to stay ahead of the game and the competition

And Scarface - the man has evolved in a perfectly natural way. No huge upset in his lyrics, no 180 turn, no wild left-side collabos. He has just grown older and wiser ( and crankier (if possible)) and the music has grown with him.

As you can see via other artists, a rapper can have longevity via many different routes - reinvention, consistency, evolution, etc.

weemcd · 07-12-2014 2:31am

That lunch money beat is trash.

I couldn't wait to hear it and couldn't believe how bad it was. And it's not Pusha's fault.

I genuinely think Kanye has lost it. I wasn't a fan of yeezus , although I really loved bound2... I tell people it's a great track and Kanye then brings out that cretinous video for it.

Huge Kanye fan btw, I just think he looks to have lost all boundaries and speaks like someone who has totally lost the run of himself.

RollieFingers · 07-12-2014 11:59am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

My problem, hes a materialistic moran who represents a lot of what's wrong with society in general. I seriously can't see how someone could like a personality like the one he portrays, obviously none of us know him personally, but he acts like a spoilt brat. He's a multi millionaire who's let money change and influence him way too much, he's completely changed as an artist.

kim kardashian is a slut, there's no point in acting like she's not, we've all seen the ray j video. Who really cares about his fashion exploits, the interview with sway sums it all up, yet another example of his spoilt, horrible manner.

Musically, he's overhyped. 1st two albums were great, 3rd average imo, mbdtf had nice beats but was too feature heavy and as previously said here, overcooked some unnecessary stuff on it.

in fairness boom bap he's fairly popular here on boards, i've never been a big fan which is obvious but he's always quickly defended here like he can do no wrong.

of course i would but with kanyes money to settle with that kind of woman? not a hope, you'd have nearly any woman on the planet with his cash, definitely one who hasn't had half of hollywood's d*cks inside her, she defines the term bike, shes the hollywood bike.

She bought those looks anyway, not as if there natural.

you must of missed bound 2 , just horrible, pass me the paracetamol.

btw, im not defending em as a producer, i dont like the majority of his production. As far as lunch money, love pusha t, but even his flow cant make up for that butchered beat he's on, horrible, yeezus like, all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAtAM7vtgc

Even your oul one was a slut for one night, what's your point and what does it have to do with hip hop?

mufcboy1999 · 07-12-2014 1:33pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

Even your oul one was a slut for one night, what's your point and what does it have to do with hip hop?

What has 808s got to do with hip hop ?

My point refers to him being the d*ckhead he is, idiots attract idiots. If yeezus and in paticular bound 2 is anything to go by we're in for a painful few years ahead, influenced heavy by the kardashins.

She was ray j'd on camera, I hope you're mammy isn't that slutty.

mufcboy1999 · 07-12-2014 1:35pm

Doris300 wrote: »

It would be great if the likes of Jay-Z and Eminem had the same ambition as Kanye to try something new. Even if I didn't like atleast it's not another meh album like the last 10 years.

Recovery sounds nothing like any other em album, it was something new, and a lot better than 808s and yeezus.

Orizio · 07-12-2014 2:46pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

My point refers to him being the d*ckhead he is, idiots attract idiots. If yeezus and in paticular bound 2 is anything to go by we're in for a painful few years ahead, influenced heavy by the kardashins.

She was ray j'd on camera, I hope you're mammy isn't that slutty.

'The Ladies Room' is elsewhere lad, no one cares about this crap.

Doris300 · 07-12-2014 9:42pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Recovery sounds nothing like any other em album, it was something new, and a lot better than 808s and yeezus.

Recovery imo is truly awful, probably his worst album.

mufcboy1999 · 08-12-2014 12:03am

An added point: could you please avoid calling anyone a 'slut' etc ? just as a favour for me.

any other suggestions ? hows parasite sound...

Recovery imo is truly awful, probably his worst album.

you must of missed relapse.

Anyway, there's no point in going on, kanye and the kardashians clearly have a legion of fans here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FADaPOIuPdI

Doris300 · 08-12-2014 12:28am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Anyway, there's no point in going on, kanye and the kardashians clearly have a legion of fans here.

I have no interest in the Kardashians and I'd guess the majority of Kanye fans are the same, has little to do with his music.

Andy_rse · 08-12-2014 12:44am

Right lads why don't we agree to disagree. No one ever changed their opinion after and argument on a message board.

There's about 3 weeks left of this thread so hopefully it'll get back on track.

MadYaker · 08-12-2014 1:42am

For the doubters.

Andy_rse · 08-12-2014 10:00pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7_0Pzz4G6w

AboutaWeekAgo · 08-12-2014 10:07pm

Looking forward to this Joey Badass album, all the singles have been great.

https://www.soundcloud.com/proeraradio/joey-bada-no-99-prod-by-statik-selektah

weemcd · 09-12-2014 8:12am

What's everyone's take on new Ghost, Wu and Phyrme albums? Any must haves?

Been meaning to get caught up with them

Boom_Bap · 09-12-2014 11:06am

weemcd wrote: »

What's everyone's take on new Ghost, Wu and Phyrme albums? Any must haves?

Been meaning to get caught up with them

Ghost is excellent.
Wu is pants.
PHryme I havn't gotten around to yet. I semi-liked the first couple of tracks that were leaked, but hearing that Adrian Younge was behind the scenes on it gives me alot of hope for it.

baddebt · 09-12-2014 12:52pm

weemcd wrote: »

What's everyone's take on new Ghost, Wu and Phyrme albums? Any must haves?

Been meaning to get caught up with them

ghostface album is good
the WU album is meh 1 or 2 half decent tracks thats about it
Phyrme yep good album
check out the new Jam baxter album , thats good.
Also check O.C's new album Twenty14

must have albums in my opinion are
M-DOT's -- Jake LadDOTia
Koshface Jackson --oldman Strength
LeuNatic -pro nouns

Boom_Bap · 09-12-2014 12:59pm

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Looking forward to this Joey Badass album, all the singles have been great.

Yeah me too, all tracks so far have been excellent. Real 90's NY sound to No. 99.

Just watching the video for this, check the audio at the end at the RIP piece, Mav Sabre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMnXxNdclg

weemcd · 09-12-2014 1:03pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Ghost is excellent.
Wu is pants.
PHryme I havn't gotten around to yet. I semi-liked the first couple of tracks that were leaked, but hearing that Adrian Younge was behind the scenes on it gives me alot of hope for it.

I've enjoyed the two ghost tracks so far. I thought this would be good. He's been very creative past few years.

On paper Preem and Royce is a dream team tho