2014 Cups & Shields

ShriekingSheet

Draws and venues are up for Leinster here: http://gui.ie/leinster/championships/leinster-inter-club-draws-2014

ballyk

Munster draws are here
http://www.gui.ie/munster/draws/draws-for-cups-shields-tournments-2014-(1)

Dossy

Can anyone link me something to explain these comps and how to get into them (is it only the choosing few)

Id like to get involved!!

Cheers

dar_cool

Get involved through your club, most times you have to go for trials for teams within the club itself, very enjoyable experience!

Dossy

dar_cool wrote: »

Get involved through your club, most times you have to go for trials for teams within the club itself, very enjoyable experience!

Thanks for info mate

Benicetomonty

Jeez, the metropolitan section for the Barton Shield must be feeling hard done by. Stackstown is the qualifying venue this year, as opposed to Royal Dublin for the provincial!

At least last year I got a couple of (practice) rounds on Powerscourt (not yet of adequate ability to play the main event unfortunately), but Portmarnock would've been even nicer..

First world problems I know, but c'mon Leinster Branch, get the finger out! :P

ShriekingSheet

Yeah, Stackstown, Slade Valley and Corballis for Barton Shield, Junior Cup and Senior Cup in the Metropolitan Area.

Usually one or two not-great courses, but that's a bit of a perfect storm.

Ronney

Just wondering how these draws are made?

I realise distance from home club is factored in some way but still seams that my home club play the same half dozen or so clubs over and over again.

Most of the clubs in the Dublin metropolitan section are all near enough to each other yet group mainly geographically North/south/west side. While its nice playing courses you know the variety would spice things up a bit i reckon.

Also Looking at this years (2014) Pierce Purcell Draw, some venues have 14/16 teams while one has 8.
Huge advantage for a home club to finish top 2 of 8 and win one match over top 4 of 16 and win 2 matches in my opinion

Ronney

Dossy wrote: »

Can anyone link me something to explain these comps and how to get into them (is it only the choosing few)

Id like to get involved!!

Cheers

Quick Summary for you,

Barton Shield, 2 Pairs of Foresomes off scratch No H/C restrictions.
Jimmy Bruen, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min H/C 6 Min Combined 17
Pierse Purcell, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min H/C 12 Min Combined 27
Senior Cup, 5 Singles off scratch, No H/C restrictions
Junior Cup, 5 Singles off scratch, Min H/C 5
Barton Cup, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min Combined 14
Leinster 4 ball, over 35's +18 h/c
Metro/Provincial Towns 9 Singles (5 home/4 away by draw) Min H/C 9

H/C taken at lowest from previous year, 3 Qualifying cards needed (may be slightly different for some comps)

Dossy

Ronney wrote: »

Quick Summary for you,

Barton Shield, 2 Pairs of Foresomes off scratch No H/C restrictions.
Jimmy Bruen, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min H/C 6 Min Combined 17
Pierse Purcell, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min H/C 12 Min Combined 27
Senior Cup, 5 Singles off scratch, No H/C restrictions
Junior Cup, 5 Singles off scratch, Min H/C 5
Barton Cup, 5 Pairs of foresomes off scratch, Min Combined 14
Leinster 4 ball, over 35's +18 h/c
Metro/Provincial Towns 9 Singles (5 home/4 away by draw) Min H/C 9

H/C taken at lowest from previous year, 3 Qualifying cards needed (may be slightly different for some comps)

Thanks very much for info,

For the Pierse Purcell i get the min H/C is 12, is the max H/C 27 for all 4 player in that foursome?? Or is it max 27 for the Team, 2 lads out of same club

Sorry if this seems stupid but only getting into this, only started playing comps this year so trying to figure them out aswell,

Thanks in Advance

Dave

ballyk

Dossy wrote: »

Thanks very much for info,

For the Pierse Purcell i get the min H/C is 12, is the max H/C 27 for all 4 player in that foursome?? Or is it max 27 for the Team, 2 lads out of same club

Sorry if this seems stupid but only getting into this, only started playing comps this year so trying to figure them out aswell,

Thanks in Advance

Dave

It's max 27 for each pairing from the club so for example a 12 handicapper playing with a 16 is fine but if you had a 14 and a 16 their handicap is too high at 28.

Ronney

Dossy wrote: »

Thanks very much for info,

For the Pierse Purcell i get the min H/C is 12, is the max H/C 27 for all 4 player in that foursome?? Or is it max 27 for the Team, 2 lads out of same club

Sorry if this seems stupid but only getting into this, only started playing comps this year so trying to figure them out aswell,

Thanks in Advance

Dave

Min Combined is 27 per pair, eg a 12+15 or 13+14, can be more eg a 18+19 but as the matches are played off scratch would be a disadvantage. Its off last years lowest handicap so if the likes of a 14 H/c off 10 come May is ideal.

Most of the comps have a qualifying round, eg each Foresomes pair plays 18 holes strokes and the best 4/5 cards taken. Clubs then ranked with top 4 through to match play

Dossy

Ronney wrote: »

Min Combined is 27 per pair, eg a 12+15 or 13+14, can be more eg a 18+19 but as the matches are played off scratch would be a disadvantage. Its off last years lowest handicap so if the likes of a 14 H/c off 10 come May is ideal.

Most of the comps have a qualifying round, eg each Foresomes pair plays 18 holes strokes and the best 4/5 cards taken. Clubs then ranked with top 4 through to match play

Cheers, Appreciate the info,
ill have to work towards 2015 so as im at 22.8 and only joined a club last year!!

ShriekingSheet

Ronney wrote: »

Just wondering how these draws are made?

I realise distance from home club is factored in some way but still seams that my home club play the same half dozen or so clubs over and over again.

Most of the clubs in the Dublin metropolitan section are all near enough to each other yet group mainly geographically North/south/west side. While its nice playing courses you know the variety would spice things up a bit i reckon.

Also Looking at this years (2014) Pierce Purcell Draw, some venues have 14/16 teams while one has 8.
Huge advantage for a home club to finish top 2 of 8 and win one match over top 4 of 16 and win 2 matches in my opinion

Yeah, its very repetitive over the years. I can only imagine its a follow on from years ago, pre-motorways etc, when travel took longer, and there wasnt multiple cars in most families.

With the all-in-one venues, you'd also be putting clubs at a disadvantage by sending them to a further away, less familiar course. Their neighbour may get a local course they know really well.

I don't see any excuse for the likes of Barton Cup though. There just seems to be little groups of 5 local clubs that get each other every year! There would be very little issue with expanding the R1 draw, rather than having the same old niggly little fixtures.

big_drive

Is the Barton format where result goes by holes won? As in a pair may be up 5 with 4 holes to play but the match continues until the 18th unlike traditional matchplay where the game would finish there and then with the result being 5&4

royalcarlowgc

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Draws and venues are up for Leinster here: http://gui.ie/leinster/championships/leinster-inter-club-draws-2014

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Senior Cup is on same weekend as my wedding!

Dossy

royalcarlowgc wrote: »

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Senior Cup is on same weekend as my wedding!

Looks like the Wedding is been put back so!!

ShriekingSheet

big_drive wrote: »

Is the Barton format where result goes by holes won? As in a pair may be up 5 with 4 holes to play but the match continues until the 18th unlike traditional matchplay where the game would finish there and then with the result being 5&4

There's 2 Bartons - Cup and Shield.

The Shield is national, off scratch so the lowest guys in a given club will play. In the match play stages it's 2 foursomes matches and yes, you keep playing until there's an aggregate result over the two games. So you may lose 3 down after 18 holes, but your mates get to 4 up after 18 so you win over all.

Barton Cup is Leinster only and is the standard match play type. It's any handicap, but the pair can't be lower than 14.

DiegoWorst

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Draws and venues are up for Leinster here: http://gui.ie/leinster/championships/leinster-inter-club-draws-2014

They could've given a bit more time between the Jimmy Bruen and Junior Cup qualifying for the Metropolitan area.

DiegoWorst

Dossy wrote: »

Cheers, Appreciate the info,
ill have to work towards 2015 so as im at 22.8 and only joined a club last year!!

There are other interclub comps for higher handicaps, Straffan Cup etc.
Good to get involved, as its a great way of getting to know people in your club, and it really helps your game.

ShriekingSheet

DiegoWorst wrote: »

They could've given a bit more time between the Jimmy Bruen and Junior Cup qualifying for the Metropolitan area.

Yeah, but in reality there's probably only 1, or a max of 2 JB players in a JC team that's actually going to compete for qualification.

If a lot of your Junior Cup team are eligible for Jimmy Bruen, you're better off focusing on the latter.

Any team with a chance of qualifying in Junior Cup will have mostly 5s, even a recently cut 4 or two.

DiegoWorst

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Yeah, but in reality there's probably only 1, or a max of 2 JB players in a JC team that's actually going to compete for qualification.

If a lot of your Junior Cup team are eligible for Jimmy Bruen, you're better off focusing on the latter.

Any team with a chance of qualifying in Junior Cup will have mostly 5s, even a recently cut 4 or two.

It depends on the club.

A team of say 2 x 5 h/caps plus 3 x 6 h/caps could compete very well in the JC qualifying stages.

The scheduling of both so close together will tax a number of clubs, you may find some of them pulling out of the JC, as you suggest.

ShriekingSheet

DiegoWorst wrote: »

It depends on the club.

A team of say 2 x 5 h/caps plus 3 x 6 h/caps could compete very well in the JC qualifying stages.

I wouldn't be putting money on that team to qualify in strokes and then win 3 matches, but that aside, it assumes the 3 guys off 6 will be in JB with 3 guys off 11. What if there isn't 3 good 11s? Or there's better 9+8 or 10+7 options?

If one of the 6s isn't in JB, worst case scenario two guys have to play in successive tournaments. Not the end of the world.

I think you're gearing this towards clubs who only have a handful of single figure players, and they play everything. All I'm saying is, in that case, they're unlikely to be competitive in everything. Far more likely to hit on good combos for Jimmy Bruen or Barton Cup, where anyone can do well with a good group.

Junior Cup (and Senior Cup) is a less level playing field - you either have the players or you don't.

Dossy

DiegoWorst wrote: »

There are other interclub comps for higher handicaps, Straffan Cup etc.
Good to get involved, as its a great way of getting to know people in your club, and it really helps your game.

Ya exactly, great way to get involved in the club itself, ill check out that Straffan Cup!!
Cheers for that might get to play competitive golf after all!!

sodbuster77

Dossy wrote: »

Ya exactly, great way to get involved in the club itself, ill check out that Straffan Cup!!
Cheers for that might get to play competitive golf after all!!

Some events have age limits too so worth checking that out. I think the Straffan might be over 40s.

Dossy

sodbuster77 wrote: »

Some events have age limits too so worth checking that out. I think the Straffan might be over 40s.

Ah ****e :mad:

Dossy

I got some info off a club member there in tue last few days saying im eligable for Pierce Purcell Team,

Im convinced im not cos of been 22.8 for the previous year 2013 , ive played at least 9 comp rounds according to Golfnet (think these are Qualifing rounds..??)

Now im 17.4 and none the wiser of whats going on....??

Ronney

Dossy wrote: »

I got some info off a club member there in tue last few days saying im eligable for Pierce Purcell Team,

Im convinced im not cos of been 22.8 for the previous year 2013 , ive played at least 9 comp rounds according to Golfnet (think these are Qualifing rounds..??)

Now im 17.4 and none the wiser of whats going on....??

Anyone who was no lower than 12 last year is eligible. You play in pairs with a combined of at least 27 eg a 12 and a 15 or 13 and 14. there is nothing against a club putting out a 23 and 28 say for example but they would be at a hugy disadvantage as everyone plays off scratch.

At 17 your probably at the upper end but come May if your playing like a 15 H/C you would be in with a good shot of selection

Dossy

Ronney wrote: »

Anyone who was no lower than 12 last year is eligible. You play in pairs with a combined of at least 27 eg a 12 and a 15 or 13 and 14. there is nothing against a club putting out a 23 and 28 say for example but they would be at a hugy disadvantage as everyone plays off scratch.

At 17 your probably at the upper end but come May if your playing like a 15 H/C you would be in with a good shot of selection

But what about the previous year thing then?
Is the previous year only to make people eligible?
Then up to them to get lower, at the time of the comp do you go off your handicap at that current time?

Ronney

Dossy wrote: »

But what about the previous year thing then?
Is the previous year only to make people eligible?
Then up to them to get lower, at the time of the comp do you go off your handicap at that current time?

Yea previous year is just for eligibility. You can be low single figures on the day as long as you were now lower than 12 last year.

On the day everyone plays off scratch regardless of handicap

Dossy

Ronney wrote: »

Yea previous year is just for eligibility. You can be low single figures on the day as long as you were now lower than 12 last year.

On the day everyone plays off scratch regardless of handicap

Oh right im ok so, cos my 17 is at the upper end as you said, 16 is a good target so
Thought i was screwed at 23 ( i understand now that if i was still 23 i would be )

ShriekingSheet

Are many peoples teams started up practicing yet, or has weather/enthusiasm put things off so far?

sodbuster77

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Are many peoples teams started up practicing yet, or has weather/enthusiasm put things off so far?

First Garden trophy match has been cancelled twice. Very annoying

Mr. Larson

The Eastern Garden County Trophy matches have been going ahead in some pretty shocking weather. Most clubs are 3/4 matches in.

sodbuster77

Mr. Larson wrote: »

The Eastern Garden County Trophy matches have been going ahead in some pretty shocking weather. Most clubs are 3/4 matches in.

There's only 3 clubs in the West group so hopefully the matches should be played over the next few weekends. Forecast is ok for this weekend so fingers crossed.

ShriekingSheet

sodbuster77 wrote: »

There's only 3 clubs in the West group so hopefully the matches should be played over the next few weekends. Forecast is ok for this weekend so fingers crossed.

Did Lisheen Springs not come back in?

sodbuster77

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Did Lisheen Springs not come back in?

We did. West group is Lisheen, Tulfarris and Blessington Lakes.

Rikand

http://www.gui.ie/connacht/c-ship-inter-club/connacht-inter-club-draws

Connacht inter club draws. I am team captain for Athlone this year for Barton Shield and Senior Cup and hopefully I'll be playing on the Junior Cup team. Anyone in connacht that i might bump into at any of these ?

Macker1

Folks,

Thinking of putting my name in for consideration for the Pierce Purcell Team at my club.

I got my initial handicap last April which was 20.1 and during 2013 I managed to get in down to 16. At present I'm at 16.8 so I wondering can someone that has experience of the Inter-club Team scene confirm if I'm eligible to put my name in for consideration from a handicap point of view.

Ronney

Macker1 wrote: »

Folks,

Thinking of putting my name in for consideration for the Pierce Purcell Team at my club.

I got my initial handicap last April which was 20.1 and during 2013 I managed to get in down to 16. At present I'm at 16.8 so I wondering can someone that has experience of the Inter-club Team scene confirm if I'm eligible to put my name in for consideration from a handicap point of view.

Yea your well in the mix at 16, anyone over 12 is eligible (lowest last year) most teams are made up of 12-16/17 handicappers

Macker1

Ronney wrote: »

Yea your well in the mix at 16, anyone over 12 is eligible (lowest last year) most teams are made up of 12-16/17 handicappers

Is there any limit or cut-off on the higher end of the scale given that I'm presently off 16.8

The reason I ask is that when I looked at the form posted on the wall in the clubhouse it a handwritten note stating a max handicap of 16.

Ronney

Macker1 wrote: »

Is there any limit or cut-off on the higher end of the scale given that I'm presently off 16.8

The reason I ask is that when I looked at the form posted on the wall in the clubhouse a handwritten note stating a max handicap of 16.

No upper limit officially, but clubs might set there own in order to keep the size of their panel manageable and be competitive as all Q Rounds and Matchs are played off scratch. Anyone posting a few rounds in the next month or two in the mid to low 80's should be in with a good shot of making the team.

shane 007

My club is 12-18. My pro asked me the other day if I was interested in putting my name forward.

galwaylad14

shane 007 wrote: »

My club is 12-18. My pro asked me the other day if I was interested in putting my name forward.

Ah definitley give it a rattle. Matchplay golf is class and it's a sweet feeling winning a match for your club!

golfguy1

How about anyone tipping a team to come through their section in any gui events.
Paddy power do odds on the week of the events.
some knowledge of teams might be a chance to make a few quid.
Have always backed my home club to win our senior and barton section in west munster.

Me boombastic

Newcastle west for the pierce purcell !!!

golfguy1

Agree Newcastle west seem very strong at the moment in pierce purcell.
Ill go for doneraile for the bruen.
tralee for junior cup.
Killarney for Barton.
doneraile or killarney for senior

ShriekingSheet

golfguy1 wrote: »

Agree Newcastle west seem very strong at the moment in pierce purcell.
Ill go for doneraile for the bruen.
tralee for junior cup.
Killarney for Barton.
doneraile or killarney for senior

Out of pure morbid curiosity, how does one go about assessing the potential of a group of teen handicappers in a nearby club? How do they "seem very strong at the moment"?

golfguy1

they seem very strong because they won the all ireland 2 yrs ago and i believe got to the munster semi or final this yr.
On the other events it is just an educated guess from being involved in some of the events and past season records.
Only 15-20 clubs involved and as small as 10-12 when in senior/barton events and everyone knows in the sw munster section there are some very weak clubs in these events.

Russman

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Out of pure morbid curiosity, how does one go about assessing the potential of a group of teen handicappers in a nearby club? How do they "seem very strong at the moment"?

Are they the PP team that allegedly beat some other local club's Junior Cup team in a warm up last year ?

Me boombastic

Spanish point beat Ncw in the Munster finals in Bandon. If they have a similar team this year they will be strong again.