2014 Cups & Shields

cairny

kieran. wrote: »

Thnaks a mill for the link......... I'm a Rossmore member so there will not be much work done for the next hour !!

Bad luck, great try against that lot.

kieran.

6 & 4 and 5 & 4 is a right beating for a matchplay final. Example of the quality of the Rossmore Team and one of the players in match five has been shooting 30(Gross)points plus all summer I think hes off 6-7 seven at the moment :eek:

PARlance

kieran. wrote: »

6 & 4 and 5 & 4 is a right beating for a matchplay final. Example of the quality of the Rossmore Team and one of the players in match five has been shooting 30(Gross)points plus all summer I think hes off 6-7 seven at the moment :eek:

That's gutting to see! Well done to your lads Kieran.

Dbu

Thats a pity, Its always nice to have new teams win.
ps mate just rang me, he is at the finals, he reckons the european ryder cup team wouldn't have beaten sp...lol

pingg10

anyone know what kind of scoring there was in the purcell final

Russman

To be fair, back to back wins is some achievement in any comp regardless, especially one as competitive as the Purcell, congrats to Spanish Point.
And indeed to all the winners, I'm sure most of us would love the opportunity to play in the finals, be it PP, Senior, Bruen, whatever.

pingg10

Russman wrote: »

To be fair, back to back wins is some achievement in any comp regardless, especially one as competitive as the Purcell, congrats to Spanish Point.
And indeed to all the winners, I'm sure most of us would love the opportunity to play in the finals, be it PP, Senior, Bruen, whatever.

ffs 7 tours in a row was a great achievement as well

SaveOurLyric

And while its a golf forum, its not Colin Mongomerie we're talking about...

Isotonic

Congrats to Lisselan. Great win for a club that is struggling to survive. A Bruen win and the publicity it would bring is much needed

SaveOurLyric

They do say there no such thing as bad ...

opinionated3

Tbh with what I've seen and read here and been told by fellow golfers, i think their win is slightly tainted. Locally, here in clare, most golfers have lost a lot of respect for the Spanish point club. Their reputation precedes them. Pity really. Victories should be celebrated, especially when you're representing your club and county.

Isotonic

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

They do say there no such thing as bad ...

Would you care to elaborate?

A New earth

opinionated3 wrote: »

Tbh with what I've seen and read here and been told by fellow golfers, i think their win is slightly tainted. Locally, here in clare, most golfers have lost a lot of respect for the Spanish point club. Their reputation precedes them. Pity really. Victories should be celebrated, especially when you're representing your club and county.

Would you see SP players popping up a lot as winners of open fourballs, rumbles etc?

FixdePitchmark

Russman wrote: »

To be fair, back to back wins is some achievement in any comp regardless, especially one as competitive as the Purcell, congrats to Spanish Point.
And indeed to all the winners, I'm sure most of us would love the opportunity to play in the finals, be it PP, Senior, Bruen, whatever.

I wouldn't like to play in any finals - if this is the carry on.

Sorry.

cairny

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I wouldn't like to play in any finals - if this is the carry on.

Sorry.

You would though, team golf with all it's problems, is still way better than individual golf.

FixdePitchmark

cairny wrote: »

You would though, team golf with all it's problems, is still way better than individual golf.

Sorry - no.

you can still have your own standards.

My handicap - is my handicap - I work hard at it.

Not into this **** at all.

Team my arse.

cairny

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Sorry - no.

you can still have your own standards.

My handicap - is my handicap - I work hard at it.

Not into this **** at all.

Team my arse.

So do I. Its not necessary to cheat to do well and it's certainly not necessary to cheat to enjoy it. We had a very good, but totally legit team a few years ago in the PP and came within a shot of beating the eventful winners (not SP).

Just back from Fourball comp run over the summer between the six local clubs, none of the fanfare of the GUI stuff but a brilliant competition all the same.

At least try it before writing it off.

Or don't, it's your own loss.

FixdePitchmark

cairny wrote: »

So do I. Its not necessary to cheat to do well and it's certainly not necessary to cheat to enjoy it. We had a very good, but totally legit team a few years ago in the PP and came within a shot of beating the eventful winners (not SP).

Just back from Fourball comp run over the summer between the six local clubs, none of the fanfare of the GUI stuff but a brilliant competition all the same.

At least try it before writing it off.

Or don't, it's your own loss.

Their loss.

They need to sort their **** out - not me.

6 & 5 - for **** sake.

cairny

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Their loss.

They need to sort their **** out - not me.

6 & 5 - for **** sake.

Speaking in general terms I couldn't agree more.

My take on it is golf is a game if honour, if someone chooses to dishonour it then to me that's their issue, they have to live with it. I'm not going to let them deprive me of a great experience.

SaveOurLyric

cairny wrote: »

I'm not going to let them deprive me of a great experience.

Its only a great experience though if you swallow the illusion. Some can, some cant.
Cairny, when you hear there is a known bandit playing on a team with you, do you withdraw from playing ?

cairny

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Its only a great experience though if you swallow the illusion. Some can, some cant.
Cairny, when you hear there is a known bandit playing on a team with you, you withdraw from playing ?

I'm responsible for the integrity of my own handicap. You can't expect me to set myself up as the moral arbitrator of other peoples handicaps.

Our handicap sec does his job, plenty of cuts for general play etc.

Tbh there are two or three in our place that could be lower but they tend not to play in teams anyway. No new golf bags up for grabs for them.

cairny

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Its only a great experience though if you swallow the illusion. Some can, some cant.
Cairny, when you hear there is a known bandit playing on a team with you, do you withdraw from playing ?

What's the illusion btw? Nothing illusory about this weeks results.

SaveOurLyric

cairny wrote: »

What's the illusion btw? Nothing illusory about this weeks results.

The results are factual of course.

But that the competition is fair and honest ? And that those succeeding in it deserve acclaim and congratulations ? That this is handicap golf in the spirit of the game ?

Count me out.

FixdePitchmark

cairny wrote: »

What's the illusion btw? Nothing illusory about this weeks results.

cairny

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

The results are factual of course.

But that the competition is fair and honest ? And that those succeeding in it deserve acclaim and congratulations ? That this is handicap golf in the spirit of the game ?

Count me out.

But it's only an illusion if those competing aren't aware of the problem, speaking for myself I'ver never been under that illusion. Don't think many are.

From time to time you're two holes into a match and you know one of the guys you're playing is better than his handicap, It's all the more satisfying to be shaking hands and telling him hard luck a couple of hours later.

downthemiddle

opinionated3 wrote: »

Tbh with what I've seen and read here and been told by fellow golfers, i think their win is slightly tainted. Locally, here in clare, most golfers have lost a lot of respect for the Spanish point club. Their reputation precedes them. Pity really. Victories should be celebrated, especially when you're representing your club and county.

Well if popular opinion on this forum is to be believed Spanish Point must be full of distance members.

mafc

I've played lots of Intetclub matches over the years & have lost my fair share, worst been this year when I got beaten 5 & 4. However I've also won 7 & 5 on a day when everything went right.
So going by some opinions here I was beaten by a bandit, and in turn I became a bandit when I won easily.
Lads, it's amateur golf we're playing and if I was good enough to be able to pick & choose the days I play well, I think I'd be on the pro tour.

GreeBo

already been a warning, do not make allegations about specific clubs.
No more warnings guys.

Barnaboy

On a more positive note, am playing in my first ever interclub final tomorrow, Tudenham Cup. We are playing Concra Wood from Monaghan in the final in Mullingar. It's been a tremendous experience regardless of what happens tomorrow. Haven't come across anything like the shenanigans mentioned in pages here.

I can't wait for tomorrow

As another poster said, don't knock it until you try it.

Me boombastic

To be fair what they've done is an achievement !! Everyone get out practising and they'll be beaten next year !!! There's no such thing as an unbeatable team !!

Dealerz

Barnaboy wrote: »

On a more positive note, am playing in my first ever interclub final tomorrow, Tudenham Cup. We are playing Concra Wood from Monaghan in the final in Mullingar. It's been a tremendous experience regardless of what happens tomorrow. Haven't come across anything like the shenanigans mentioned in pages here.

I can't wait for tomorrow

As another poster said, don't knock it until you try it.

I've only played inter club best cup and McDonnell cups (hc +17), I loved every minute of team golf. Enjoy and best of luck.

mafc

Barnaboy wrote: »

On a more positive note, am playing in my first ever interclub final tomorrow, Tudenham Cup. We are playing Concra Wood from Monaghan in the final in Mullingar. It's been a tremendous experience regardless of what happens tomorrow. Haven't come across anything like the shenanigans mentioned in pages here.

I can't wait for tomorrow

As another poster said, don't knock it until you try it.

Best of luck, enjoy the day

charlieIRL

Barnaboy wrote: »

On a more positive note, am playing in my first ever interclub final tomorrow, Tudenham Cup. We are playing Concra Wood from Monaghan in the final in Mullingar. It's been a tremendous experience regardless of what happens tomorrow. Haven't come across anything like the shenanigans mentioned in pages here.

I can't wait for tomorrow

As another poster said, don't knock it until you try it.

Best of luck tomorrow.

opinionated3

A New earth wrote: »

Would you see SP players popping up a lot as winners of open fourballs, rumbles etc?

Tbh i just don't know. I played against one of their pairings this year and to say they are pp standard is a joke. Super golfers. If you told me both of them were playing off 5 or even 4 i would have believed you. Made me ask myself am i a genuine 13 handicapper? !

Ciaranra

opinionated3 wrote: »

Tbh i just don't know. I played against one of their pairings this year and to say they are pp standard is a joke. Super golfers. If you told me both of them were playing off 5 or even 4 i would have believed you. Made me ask myself am i a genuine 13 handicapper? !

I find it hard to believe a 13 handicap would carry 7 shots
I played with a 4 handicapper on wed giving him 6 shots of 10
He was twice the golfer i am ball striking putting,distane of the tee i have alot work to do to get to 4

Ciaranra

Sorry 9 shots

PARlance

opinionated3 wrote: »

Tbh i just don't know. I played against one of their pairings this year and to say they are pp standard is a joke. Super golfers. If you told me both of them were playing off 5 or even 4 i would have believed you. Made me ask myself am i a genuine 13 handicapper? !

There's a lad on the team that a mate works with, he was off 15 (Munster GUI gave him a 2 shot cut!!!!) so now prob off 13. Could be the same guy.

He can pull +1, +2's at ease. Went +2 for captains day and my mate has playing with him on a +2 round.

I'm not sure what HC that makes him, prob a good 10.

Ciaranra

PARlance wrote: »

There's a lad on the team that a mate works with, he was off 15 (Munster GUI gave him a 2 shot cut!!!!) so now prob off 13. Could be the same guy.

He can pull +1, +2's at ease. Went +2 for captains day and my mate has playing with him on a +2 round.

I'm not sure what HC that makes him, prob a good 10.

Is that fact or hearsay

SaveOurLyric

Ciaranra wrote: »

Is that fact or hearsay

Hearsay : if he can pull +1, +2 with ease then he is at worst a five.

Ciaranra

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Hearsay : if he can pull +1, +2 with ease then he is at worst a five.

Agree if hes shooting +1+2 etc

PARlance

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Hearsay : if he can pull +1, +2 with ease then he is at worst a five.

There's an awful lot of fact in there.

I'm not into hearsay, and double checked everything. My mate is a casual golfer at most but has been told all the nitty gritty of what goes on in the place. He was probably told so freely because he's not a real golfer and wouldn't know the carry on.

SaveOurLyric

My handicap oscillated between 12 and 13 for fifteen years. In three different clubs (and varied course styles) in that period, but my handicap range stayed the same. Probably entering 15-20 qualifying singles cards per year.
I shot 5 over once, 6 over once, and 7,8 or 9 over maybe a dozen time all in.

Shooting a couple over par, even once a year, is so far off the mark for a PP level player, it can be nothing but handicap cheating.

(And I played Pierce Purcell several times in two of the clubs. I won some lost some, but we never got far. It took me a few years to realise why.)

Norfolk Enchants_

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

My handicap oscillated between 12 and 13 for fifteen years. In three different clubs (and varied course styles) in that period, but my handicap range stayed the same. Probably entering 15-20 qualifying singles cards per year.
I shot 5 over once, 6 over once, and 7,8 or 9 over maybe a dozen time all in.

Shooting a couple over par, even once a year, is so far off the mark for a PP level player, it can be nothing but handicap cheating.

(And I played Pierce Purcell several times in two of the clubs. I won some lost some, but we never got far. It took me a few years to realise why.)

That's terrific logic right there, just because you can't do it, then the people that do must be cheating.
Please email the GUI with this well thought out, conclusive and foolproof logic so they can take the necessary steps.

SaveOurLyric

Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: »

That's terrific logic right there, just because you can't do it, then the people that do must be cheating.
Please email the GUI with this well thought out, conclusive and foolproof logic so they can take the necessary steps.

You misinterpret the post, and the meaning of logic.

However, there is logic in my line about those shooting a couple over par. No need to send it to the GUI though. They know it very well already. But take no action. And legitimately probably. They devolve that responsibility to its member clubs and their handicap committees. And it is they who collude in handicap shenanigans.

cairny

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Shooting a couple over par, even once a year, is so far off the mark for a PP level player, it can be nothing but handicap cheating.[/quote]

That's just plain wrong. I play sometimes with a man his 70s who's off 13. He shot 2 over during the week. The man has tried his best on every single hole he ever played and put in his card for every single round. He's as far from a cheat as it's possible to be.

There's so much more to match play than handicaps.

At least you've tried it though so you're entitled to complain about it.

Did you enjoy it when you played btw?

Barnaboy

mafc wrote: »

Best of luck, enjoy the day

Have to say despite losing the final it was a great day. Delighted in that I managed to win my match 5&4 played some fantastic golf on the front nine and set us up for the win.

The lads from concra wood were great craic. The way a match should be. Great sportsmanship all day.

GreeBo

yellows handed out, next it's red and thread closed.

Rikand

has Gorfield surfaced anywhere yet ? lol

A few mates of mine were up there for the week, following muskerry in the Barton and Tramore in the Senior. They said the golf out of Gorfield and his partner was fantastic. So kudos to you both and your team!

gorfield

Rikand wrote: »

has Gorfield surfaced anywhere yet ? lol

A few mates of mine were up there for the week, following muskerry in the Barton and Tramore in the Senior. They said the golf out of Gorfield and his partner was fantastic. So kudos to you both and your team!

Thanks man, safe to say I'm poisoned from the last 3 days.
Was great to play so well in the circumstances.

TrapperChamonix

Milltown beat The Island with the final putt in the final match on the 18th. Some really high quality golf on view. If the Ryder Cup is half as exciting, I'll eat my hat.

https://www.gui.ie/leinster/championships/results/leinster-under-15-inter-club-results-2014

Finals:
1st Leg in Milltown Golf Club on Sunday 31st August
Milltown bt The Island 3/2
(Milltown names first)
Eoin Carey (13) bt James Murphy (12) 2/1; Stephen Madigan (12) bt Matthew Crumlish (12) 2/1; Kevin O'Donnell (11) bt Conor Grant (12) 4/2; Rory Madigan (9) lost to Stephan Campbell (10) 5/4; Charlie Denvir (3) lost to Niall Grant (9) 3/2
2nd Leg in The Island Golf Club on Sunday 21st September
Milltown bt The Island 3/2(Milltown names first)
Eoin Carey bt Conor Grant 2/1; Stephen Madigan lost to James Murphy 4/3; Kevin O'Donnell bt Stephan Campbell 3/2; James Tarrant lost to Niall Grant 2/1; Charlie Denvir bt Joseph Hanney 1 Hole

Milltown win on aggregate 6/4