[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

Panic E

How do you know I haven't already? And what does it have to do with the thread. No offence

walshb

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Oh so the way he boxed his way through super featherweight and JW up to WW had noting got to do with. Go look at Mayweathers fights from the start of his career come back then and tell me what you think.

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

Chrissybhoy

Panic E wrote: »

How do you know I haven't already? And what does it have to do with the thread. No offence

Well seen as you were the one that went off topic and criticised Mayweather career. I was only posting a reply about Mayweathers career

Chrissybhoy

walshb wrote: »

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

I never said it wasn't again I'm only posting a reply about criticism of Mayweathers career that I think is unfair

Panic E

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well seen as you were the one that went off topic and criticised Mayweather career. I was only posting a reply about Mayweathers career

No need to take it personally. It's not OT, they were trying to make this fight for half of his career.

Plus, you didn't even reply to anything I said but had a go at me in the other thread for this news;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjo1TaCl_EE

walshb wrote: »

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

Corrales is supposed to be his most complete performance, and we were talking about that earlier on.

BTW, did anybody hear him say before the fight that even if Pacquiao beat him he was still TBE? Man

darced

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Chrissybhoy

Panic E wrote: »

No need to take it personally. It's not OT, they were trying to make this fight for half of his career.

Plus, you didn't even reply to anything I said but had a go at me in the other thread for this news;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjo1TaCl_EE

Corrales is supposed to be his most complete performance, and we were talking about that earlier on.

BTW, did anybody hear him say before the fight that even if Pacquiao beat him he was still TBE? Man

I'm not taking it personally. It's just when summing the fight and both fighters career try doing it fairly and don't let your dislike for Mayweather cloud you doing that

Panic E

darced wrote: »

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I love Pacquaio too, just look at how much excitement he brought to the table throughout his exceptional career.

I will say that he has fought a lot of guys who were elite and in their prime etc and some of them several times even.

Not including any you mentioned. He was the underdog and the smaller man in those bouts, not exactly cherry picking.

Henno30

Re Floyd's career ii hardly needs to be said at this stage that he had a chance to achieve real greatness at 147 from 2006-2008. Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams - he fought none of them. Despite being offered career high pay-days.

He could have had those fights. He didn't. Live with the consequences.

Panic E

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

It's just when summing the fight and both fighters career try doing it fairly and don't let your dislike for Mayweather cloud you doing that

Well, the fight ended up a big stinker and Manny had only one good arm so. (surgery went ok today they say)

As for careers, Manny's was much better. Can't believe he said that Pacquaio can fight on his undercard though! :rolleyes:

Talib Fiasco

Obviously when Floyd's career is all said and done there will be a lot of what ifs about his career...something which will taint his legacy. He has a great resume on paper, and some of the guys he beat were top top fighters at that time but he has undoubtedly fought quite a few lads who're either past their best, disadvantaged heavily etc. The same cannot really be said about Manny...that's my big fault against Floyd. And that's why I think he'll never go down as being better than Manny as an all time great.

Panic E

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

that's my big fault against Floyd. And that's why I think he'll never go down as being better than Manny as an all time great.

Same as that. Not a chance. I wonder does he actually believe he is the TBE and all that?

Gotta admire his business brain though. He knows who he is fighting next, it will do 30 mil.

Then he has an idea $$$ put Pacman on the undercard $$$ lol. Eureka, he is some character!

darced

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ThunderCat

darced wrote: »

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Im not sure I agree. In that timeframe Manny fought Diaz, Hatton and Cotto who had all only lost once prior and he fought Bradley who you gave him credit for and Algeri at a time that both were unbeaten.
I agree with you regarding Floyd fighting Canelo. Credit to him for that as he was a dangerous opponent I did not think he would fight however Canelos legacy is far from cemented given he is against a decent opponent next and GGG is in his weight class aswell.

walshb

And let's not forget that Mayweather fought Canelo 2 lbs under the LMW limit. Pretty much the same as Cotto weighing 145 lbs for the Pacman fight. 2 lbs for Canelo was likely a big ask considering that he is right on that limit.

Chrissybhoy

What about Mayweather been past his prime and fighting with two broken hands the last good while now and still winning comfortably. Mayweather done bad damage to his shoulder against Castillo still won the fight. No excuses after

Panic E

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

What about Mayweather been past his prime and fighting with two broken hands the last good while

Fighting with 2 broken hands? :eek: What a warrior, come one man.

Chrissybhoy

Panic E wrote: »

Fighting with 2 broken hands? :eek: What a warrior, come one man.

I think everyone knows he's struggled with his hands awhile now. I think that's why we don't see the combinations he used to let off. To be fair he never uses his hands as an excuse he's just adapted his game to stay unbeaten and for that credit should be giving like or dislike him

DylanAFC

[quote="Chrissybhoy;95385679" against Castillo still won the fight. No excuses after [/quote]

Still won the fight, haha come on man that was a disgraceful decision. First thing he said in the post fight interview was mention his hurt shoulder. If he hadn't got the decision it would have been the exact same.

Panic E

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

He has a great resume on paper, and some of the guys he beat were top top fighters at that time but he has undoubtedly fought quite a few lads who're either past their best, disadvantaged heavily etc. The same cannot really be said about Manny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXh1KDLd4fg

Henno30 wrote: »

Re Floyd's career it hardly needs to be said at this stage that he had a chance to achieve real greatness at 147 from 2006-2008. Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams - he fought none of them. Despite being offered career high pay-days.

Chrissybhoy

DylanAFC wrote: »

Still won the fight, haha come on man that was a disgraceful decision. First thing he said in the post fight interview was mention his hurt shoulder. If he hadn't got the decision it would have been the exact same.

Disgraceful decision no . Close decision yes . Right fighter won. In the rematch after surgery he showed what would of happened if there wasn't an injury

Panic E

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

I think everyone knows he's struggled with his hands awhile now.

There's a big difference between that claim and what you said, in fairness.

Chrissybhoy

There obviously not broke. But they dictate how he fights now it's the reason he's not as offensive as before. But it's never mentioned.

walshb

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Disgraceful decision no . Close decision yes . Right fighter won. In the rematch after surgery he showed what would of happened if there wasn't an injury

I can't recall that well the rematch, but he didn't beat Castillo up. It was competitive I believe. The first fight Castillo won. It too was competitive.

darced

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Chrissybhoy

walshb wrote: »

I can't recall that well the rematch, but he didn't beat Castillo up. It was competitive I believe. The first fight Castillo won. It too was competitive.

The first fight very competitive and I can see the argument. Rematch was a more clear UD and left no questions to be answered

Panic E

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There obviously not broke. But it's never mentioned.

It's always mentioned! I've been hearing about Mayweathers 'brittle' hands now for longer than I can remember.

He was in one dressing room getting shots for that the other night while Manny was being denied his in the other.

For a much more serious injury I believe than those 'brittle hands' Floyd complains of. Nobody has mentioned that.

TheNap

Panic E wrote: »

It's always mentioned! I've been hearing about Mayweathers 'brittle' hands now for longer than I can remember.

He was in one dressing room getting shots for that the other night while Manny was being denied his in the other.

For a much more serious injury I believe than those 'brittle hands' Floyd complains of. Nobody has mentioned that.

But he never told anyone about his injury ?

What did you expect ?

Panic E

TheNap wrote: »

But he never told anyone about his injury ?

It was detailed with and approved by the USADA and his doctors.

Chrissybhoy

Panic E wrote: »

It's always mentioned! I've been hearing about Mayweathers 'brittle' hands now for longer than I can remember.

He was in one dressing room getting shots for that the other night while Manny was being denied his in the other.

For a much more serious injury I believe than those 'brittle hands' Floyd complains of. Nobody has mentioned that.

Never once did I hear use as an excuse for his performance. Don't think the shoulder injury is more serious it happened to Mayweather in the past can be sorted with surgery. Mayweathers hands can't be

Halloween Jack

Panic E wrote: »

It was detailed with and approved by the USADA and his doctors.

But not with the Nevada comission, who actually sanctioned the fight. All usada do is the testing.

It's unfortunate that he couldn't get the shot on the night but the blame lies solely with manny and his people.

walshb

It all just adds to the fight and event being a complete let down. I am not one for conspiracies, but this was one event that was going to have elements of controversy. Saying it again, but McGregor nailed it: A business transaction is what we witnessed.

Talib Fiasco

The Castillo robbery was as big a robbery as Floyd in the Olympics. No way could that fight have been given to Floyd.

TheNap

With regards Pacquaio

He wouldn't fight 5 years ago because he wouldn't take a needle in the lead up to the fight

Now he is giving out he wasn't allowed take a needle the day of the fight

Panic E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-LwLQbH_A

Chileanwine

Early estimates coming in indicate the PPV numbers are between 5 and 6 million. This would mean Mayweather would earn around 250 million dollars.

Panic E

TheNap wrote: »

With regards Pacquaio

He wouldn't fight 5 years ago because he wouldn't take a needle in the lead up to the fight

Now he is giving out he wasn't allowed take a needle the day of the fight

There's a big difference between having blood drawn and an intra-muscular shot, I know which one I would prefer. Having blood drawn is an injury in of itself.

What's with all the anti Pacquaio sentiment? The greatest fighter of our generation, fighter of the decade, 8 division world champion etcetera. Makes no sense.

Deiseboy01

Chileanwine wrote: »

Early estimates coming in indicate the PPV numbers are between 5 and 6 million. This would mean Mayweather would earn around 250 million dollars.

One word, WOW!

moneyman

TheNap wrote: »

With regards Pacquaio

He wouldn't fight 5 years ago because he wouldn't take a needle in the lead up to the fight

Now he is giving out he wasn't allowed take a needle the day of the fight

Can you please stop repeating lies? You're either wrong or lying, not sure which, but I've seen you mention Pacquiao being afraid of needles multiple times. He said he didn't want blood to be drawn close to the fight, not that he was afraid of needles. He said this on TV in the Philippines years ago, that he had blood drawn before one of his losses and he had felt it made him weaker. There is no big conspiracy. This information is readily available for anyone who wants actual facts, yet I constantly see you, cowzerp and multiple others repeating this lie over and over. It just weakens your argument.

Floyd is better than Manny. He will beat him again in a rematch if it happens. There is seriously no need to lie, it just makes you look bitter and like a fanboy.

I will bow out of this mess again, just wanted to point out your inaccuracy.

Chrissybhoy

moneyman wrote: »

Can you please stop repeating lies? You're either wrong or lying, not sure which, but I've seen you mention Pacquiao being afraid of needles multiple times. He said he didn't want blood to be drawn close to the fight, not that he was afraid of needles. He said this on TV in the Philippines years ago, that he had blood drawn before one of his losses and he had felt it made him weaker. There is no big conspiracy. This information is readily available for anyone who wants actual facts, yet I constantly see you, cowzerp and multiple others repeating this lie over and over. It just weakens your argument.

Floyd is better than Manny. He will beat him again in a rematch if it happens. There is seriously no need to lie, it just makes you look bitter and like a fanboy.

I will bow out of this mess again, just wanted to point out your inaccuracy.

Not like pacquiao to make excuses so after a previous loss he blamed it on blood being taken didn't know that. Pattern starting to develop here

moneyman

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Not like pacquiao to make excuses so after a previous loss he blamed it on blood being taken didn't know that. Pattern starting to develop here

Quite possibly, but if you're going to have an agenda, at least get the facts correct.

Talib Fiasco

This is probably the best breakdown of the fight I have seen so far:

:pac:

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

It all just adds to the fight and event being a complete let down.

I think that's something we can all agree on! Replay is tonight anyway

Chrissybhoy

moneyman wrote: »

Quite possibly, but if you're going to have an agenda, at least get the facts correct.

I don't have an agenda I never mentioned anything about needles. It's just when you said he blamed blood being taken for a defeat it looks like he finds it hard to accept defeat and finds excuses

Panic E

Pacquaio is the one with the 'excuses' now and is even a 'coward' according to Floyd. :rolleyes:

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

The Castillo robbery was as big a robbery as Floyd in the Olympics. No way could that fight have been given to Floyd.

I'm not too keen on getting involved in this endless arguement, but on the Olympics - that was no robbery! It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, it went to the Bulgarian by one point. Hardly a robbery?

What Floyd fans don't bother mentioning (cos they probably don't know) was that in Floyd's previous bout, he squeaked past a Cuban by one point in a very close fight. How come they don't scream robbery there?

As for the Castillo fight, I've watched that fight at least five times over the years (just in case I developed a new perspective) and the closest I've ever given it was Castillo by four rounds. The Mexican absolutely won that fight and evey time I hear about Floyd's 'O' and the 'Mayvinci code' crap I recall this genuine robbery that gets ignored in the hype.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

I'm not too keen on getting involved in this endless arguement, but on the Olympics - that was no robbery! It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, it went to the Bulgarian by one point. Hardly a robbery?

.

Two words. Thank you. I held off from this, but pre Pacman fight and the hype they haven peddling this nonsense about Todorov's win being a disgrace. I gave the fight to Floyd by a point or two. Not remotely close to a robbery.

Panic E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl4t3wS8g8s

:pac: Ok what do you say here. This is hilarious! I wouldn't know where to begin :pac:

Littlehorny

Panic E wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl4t3wS8g8s

:pac: Ok what do you say here. This is hilarious! I wouldn't know where to begin :pac:

It has been said by a few already, but the sooner this dickhead leaves boxing the better the sport will be.

cowzerp

Panic E wrote: »

Most MMA fighters thought that Pacquaio won it too. Personally I felt it was a draw as I said earlier a la Jeff Powell

They should have been allowed to fight until there was a clear winner seeing as the rules apparently don't matter :pac:

MMA fighters no nothing about Boxing, that's like saying the Dublin GAA team thought Liverpool should have won, means nothing

moneyman wrote: »

Can you please stop repeating lies? You're either wrong or lying, not sure which, but I've seen you mention Pacquiao being afraid of needles multiple times. He said he didn't want blood to be drawn close to the fight, not that he was afraid of needles. He said this on TV in the Philippines years ago, that he had blood drawn before one of his losses and he had felt it made him weaker. There is no big conspiracy. This information is readily available for anyone who wants actual facts, yet I constantly see you, cowzerp and multiple others repeating this lie over and over. It just weakens your argument.

Bob Arum said Manny was afraid of needles to stop the fight happening, you can try hide the truth but it's hardly news, Bob obviously forgot Manny was full of tattoos

Panic E wrote: »

Pacquaio is the one with the 'excuses' now and is even a 'coward' according to Floyd. :rolleyes:

Manny fought like a coward, he didn't attack because he knew he'd be knocked out, the dull fight was all Manny's fault, Floyd done what he always done, Manny changed his way of fighting due to fear