[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

Henno30

cowzerp wrote: »

There was 2 of them in it avoiding the fight as they were getting guaranteed big pay days that could have been hindered by a loss, while both could stake a claim as been the best both would sell big, Floyd will destroy Manny now just like he would have back then, Manny doesn't deal with counter punchers and Floyd is the best, He made Marquez look like a novice and Marquez always troubled Manny

This will be a mid round KO for Floyd, mark my words.

Triangle theories?

How about Manny pulverising Cotto? Or knocking Hatton out in two rounds?

Triangle theories are a nonsense in boxing.

Anyway, Marquez doesnt fight like Floyd at all. The only comparison is that they're counterpunchers and there's a bit more to it than that.

As for Floyd making Marquez look awful, when isn't that the case when one counterpuncher has the edge on another?

Look at what Lara did to Trout? Made him look utterly pathetic, yet Trout arguably did the better of the two against Canelo, and is clearly nowhere near as far off the level of Lara as it looked that night.

I think this fight is close to dead even at this point. Floyd has the edge, but it's not that much of an edge at all.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but Marquez is an offensive fighting counter puncher. Floyd is not. I think Floyd will win, and a KO would not surprise me, but I reckon it's stinker of a fight, and probably close because of the fact that not much scoring will happen.

Edit: I would be a little surprised with KO win.

Even if Floyd's on top he won't take the risks necessary to score a ko.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Even if Floyd's on top he won't take the risks necessary to score a ko.

Unless Pac falls on top of a perfectly thrown forward hitting right hand. Similar to the Marquez KO.

efb

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/uk-broadcasters-set-for-bidding-war-over-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao/

Talib Fiasco

Floyd is a pillow puncher like Bradley. He's knocking out nobody.

efb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Floyd is a pillow puncher like Bradley. He's knocking out nobody.

Ask Hatton

cowzerp

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Floyd is a pillow puncher like Bradley. He's knocking out nobody.

Floyd is a bigger hitter than Marquez

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Floyd is a pillow puncher like Bradley. He's knocking out nobody.

But it's the type of shot he could land if Manny gets careless and falls in. Floyd isn't a naturally heavy handed fighter, but nor was/is JMM. If the stars align and Floyd deliverers an intentful (is that a word?) right hand counter with some body behind it, with Manny making the mistake of falling onto it?

FTA69

Floyd isn't feather fisted at all, that's a silly comment.

walshb

http://thaboxingvoice.com/mayweather-pacquiao-details-of-contract-revealed/40720?var=no

boxer.fan

walshb wrote: »

http://thaboxingvoice.com/mayweather-pacquiao-details-of-contract-revealed/40720?var=no

24/7 has more or less run its course anyway, was getting predictable.

Kirby

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Floyd is a pillow puncher like Bradley. He's knocking out nobody.

efb wrote: »

Ask Hatton

Did you even watch the Hatton Mayweather fight? The turnbuckle finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it. The "slap" that Mayweather called a hook before that happened wouldn't knock out anybody. Mayweather isn't a power puncher. It's just not his thing.

walshb wrote: »

Unless Pac falls on top of a perfectly thrown forward hitting right hand. Similar to the Marquez KO.

I think it's worth remembering that Pac was winning that Marquez fight. He was up on points and with ten seconds left in the round, let the crowd get to him and lunged in trying to score a knockout. He's done it before.

The real issue here is that Marquez has real power in his counters. Mayweather doesn't. This has a Mayweather points win written all over it. Betting on a Mayweather KO is wasting your money. It simply wont happen.

walshb

PBF can punch when he really sits down, but not all that heavy. He won't be sitting down on his shots vs. Manny, as there will be distance between them the whole fight. Floyd's shots will be from range. Swipes and sharp shooting singles. I don't think he will be unloading against Manny. Even vs. Guerrero his shots were more swiping than forceful. His shots vs. Maidana, well, the less said the better. I would say Floyd gets a 6.5/10 for power. He seems so preoccupied with defense that his offense suffers.

walshb

boxer.fan wrote: »

24/7 has more or less run its course anyway, was getting predictable.

Ridiculously so. Same old nonsense every episode with Floyd and his crass money talk.

Talib Fiasco

All I'm saying is the only one who could be getting knocked out will be Floyd which won't happen as he has a great chin. Floyd couldn't finish guys who weren't half as good at taking a punch as manny. Marquez p4p has probably more power than Floyd, he's just a lot smaller than floyd

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

All I'm saying is the only one who could be getting knocked out will be Floyd which won't happen as he has a great chin. Floyd couldn't finish guys who weren't half as good at taking a punch as manny. Marquez p4p has probably more power than Floyd, he's just a lot smaller than floyd

Floyd looked quite hurt and wobbled when Maidana nailed him in fight 2 at the end of the 4th. And that wasn't all that great a shot. Anyway, I see Manny landing very few power type shots. Floyd has a good chin, but it's more his defenses and ability to ride a shot that stands to him.

Just a little Samba

Kirby wrote: »

Did you even watch the Hatton Mayweather fight? The turnbuckle finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it. The "slap" that Mayweather called a hook before that happened wouldn't knock out anybody. Mayweather isn't a power puncher. It's just not his thing.

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You're talking through your bum here now. The Left hook did the damage, anyone saying otherwise is delusional.

FTA69

Kirby wrote: »

Did you even watch the Hatton Mayweather fight? The turnbuckle finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it. The "slap" that Mayweather called a hook before that happened wouldn't knock out anybody. Mayweather isn't a power puncher. It's just not his thing.

You said that before and you were as wrong then as you are now. First of all, it isn't WWE wrestling where fellas are getting their heads hopped off the turnbuckle. The turnbuckles in boxing rings are heavily padded. You're codding yourself if you think stumbling the crown of your head into a pad is going to knock someone out.

Second of all, the check hook was a sharp counter that banged Hatton clean in the jaw. You can watch it for yourself here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D07BhmI-d1g

walshb

Hatton's KO was a mix of many things, including frustration and faitgue.

FTA69

Regardless of how annoyed he was, I think the clincher was still him getting punched in the jaw.

Just a little Samba

Lads, hate Floyd all you want, he's not a very likeable person that's obvious, but for the love of jebus stop the nonsense and recognise that he is the best pound for pound of his generation and he's not some Kenny Egan-esque slapper who feathers peoples faces with his gloves.

There's a reason he breaks his hand in so often in fights, the man can throw a punch. Just because he's not a GGG style knockout artist doesn't mean he's a weak puncher. Some people are blinded by their dislike of him.

Also, he'll beat Manny on a pretty convincing points decision in my opinion. 5 years ago it would have been a different story but I don't see any other outcome this May.

efb

Kirby wrote: »

Did you even watch the Hatton Mayweather fight? The turnbuckle finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it. The "slap" that Mayweather called a hook before that happened wouldn't knock out anybody. Mayweather isn't a power puncher. It's just not his thing.



I think it's worth remembering that Pac was winning that Marquez fight. He was up on points and with ten seconds left in the round, let the crowd get to him and lunged in trying to score a knockout. He's done it before.

The real issue here is that Marquez has real power in his counters. Mayweather doesn't. This has a Mayweather points win written all over it. Betting on a Mayweather KO is wasting your money. It simply wont happen.

Did I watch it? I was there!!!

efb

Kirby, respectfully, if you believe the was no power in that Mayweather hook you are either niave or dillusional

efb

walshb wrote: »

Hatton's KO was a mix of many things, including frustration and faitgue.

But mostly Floyd's punches

efb

As a human, he is detestable, but as as boxer he is the greatest of his generation

walshb

efb wrote: »

But mostly Floyd's punches

Yes, punches as in plural. Hatton was softened up, tired, frustrated and ready to go. It was a hard night, and even harder having to fight two of them in the ring.

Littlehorny

efb wrote: »

As a human, he is detestable, but as as boxer he is the greatest of his generation

He probably is the best boxer of his generation but would you agree that Pacquiao has had the better career?

efb

Littlehorny wrote: »

He probably is the best boxer of his generation but would you agree that Pacquiao has had the better career?

As a politician?

Littlehorny

efb wrote: »

As a politician?

As a politician? No way, Mayweather is. The man never answered a straight question with a straight answer in his life.

efb

Littlehorny wrote: »

As a politician? No way, Mayweather is. The man never answered a straight question with a straight answer in his life.

The most accomplished stylish technically gifted boxer in my lifetime is Floyd Mayweather Jr

Littlehorny

efb wrote: »

The most accomplished stylish technically gifted boxer in my lifetime is Floyd Mayweather Jr

Maybe your a politician as well, you didn't answer my question either.:)

efb

Mayweather earned more

Mister Vain

Pacman's career has been more exciting but Mayweather is technically a better boxer.

Littlehorny

You can't call yourself the best ever just cause you earned the most or are really technically skilled. If your going to talk the talk you have to be able to walk the walk.

efb

Littlehorny wrote: »

You can't call yourself the best ever just cause you earned the most or are really technically skilled. If your going to talk the talk you have to be able to walk the walk.

He's beaten everything in front of him. When hasn't he "walked the walk"?

megadodge

efb wrote: »

The most accomplished stylish technically gifted boxer in my lifetime is Floyd Mayweather Jr

Watch a few Roy Jones videos.

Henno30

Rummycollie wrote: »

He lost 5 times, no he hasn't had the better career.

Guess that's bad news for Ali and Ray Robinson then.

Jesus Christ.

efb

megadodge wrote: »

Watch a few Roy Jones videos.

I have I even paid watch his heavyweight title win

megadodge

efb wrote: »

I have I even paid watch his heavyweight title win

Then you should retract your previous statement.

Roy Jones > Floyd Mayweather

Talib Fiasco

Roy Jones pound for pound is easily the best boxer of all time. His skill and ability could never be matched.

kryogen

efb wrote: »

The most accomplished stylish technically gifted boxer in my lifetime is Floyd Mayweather Jr

I assume you are young enough then yes? So young you don't remember Roy Jones Jr perhaps?

Manny has certainly had the more eye catching, exciting career tbh

Manny has had wars, he has had incredible triumphs and done things nobody else has.

Mayweather has his zero.

twowheelsonly

efb wrote: »

He's beaten everything in front of him. When hasn't he "walked the walk"?

He's been selective about who has been in front of him though - and 2 of them deserved better than what they got.

Castillo?? De La Hoya?? 2 extremely dubious decisions. Both men beaten by the judges in my opinion, and in the opinion of a lot of people that know a lot more than I do!!

He didn't walk the walk in a rematch against De la Hoya, choosing instead to retire - yet he's still here 6 years later.

He's about to walk the walk with Manny now, eventually, but only because there's nowhere left to hide at this stage. (Barring a mystery hand/arm/neck/back/foot injury or suchlike).

Hopefully it does go on. If Mayweather wins then fair dues to him and he can retire knowing that he fought and overcame the biggest challenge of his career but at least either way he won't be retiring with that big black cloud following him forever more.

efb

kryogen wrote: »

I assume you are young enough then yes? So young you don't remember Roy Jones Jr perhaps?

Manny has certainly had the more eye catching, exciting career tbh

Manny has had wars, he has had incredible triumphs and done things nobody else has.

Mayweather has his zero.

Yes I remember RJJ. Mayweather to me is the more skillful boxer.

efb

I wouldn't say the results were dubious - I've seen far worse, and I'm a big DLH fan.

I think a lot of people seem to throw a lot of stick at Mayweather bit when you are at the top that's part for the course

efb

megadodge wrote: »

Then you should retract your previous statement.

Roy Jones > Floyd Mayweather

No. He fought John Ruiz there. No reason to change my opinion. Why is Jones better?

supersean1999

Sven ottke is probably the reason records can be slightly hard to guage a figher

walshb

efb wrote: »

I don't know why I bother. You come across as so negative on boxers

Says the poster who calls Mayweather detestable!

Bother with what? Please, tell me what I posted that has you so frustrated?

efb

walshb wrote: »

Says the poster who calls Mayweather detestable!

Bother with what? Please, tell me what I posted that has you so frustrated?

As a human he pretty much is - a wife beating money obsessed narcissist

walshb

efb wrote: »

As a human he pretty much is - a wife beating money obsessed narcissist

Ok, so can you tell me what frustrated you with my post(s)? Why you feel that you shouldn't bother?

efb

I feel you are unduly harsh on boxers a lot of negativity in your posts. It's my issue.