Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Ed Winchester

corny wrote: »

Didn't see it. What video?

http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/video-dublin-players-take-time-to-celebrate-leinster-win-with-ill-five-year-old-super-fan/

digzy

You'd think the Meath manager would shut up and take his beating. The footage is more damning of his player than o gara. Mulligan put it well. What else was O gara to do. Hope this goes no further for everyone's sake. Having said that, it was an unsavoury incident and the less we see of these the better.

Moneymaker

Paul Flynn is criminally under-rated as a player, and as a man. Top bloke who's a credit to his family, club and the entire county.

Absolute gent.

robbiezero

Moneymaker wrote: »

Paul Flynn is criminally under-rated as a player, and as a man. Top bloke who's a credit to his family, club and the entire county.

Absolute gent.

Hardly under-rated. He has 3 All-Star awards and almost certainly will get a fourth. One of Dublins most important players and the best wing forward in the game at the moment.

smileyj1987

digzy wrote: »

You'd think the Meath manager would shut up and take his beating. The footage is more damning of his player than o gara. Mulligan put it well. What else was O gara to do. Hope this goes no further for everyone's sake. Having said that, it was an unsavoury incident and the less we see of these the better.

I would agree with this . Shake hands and let it be done . At the end of the of the day if they go after o Gara for a ban I'm sure the Dublin county board could go after a few Meath players for throwing punches . The composure o Gara showed to walk away was great to see .

Moneymaker

robbiezero wrote: »

Hardly under-rated. He has 3 All-Star awards and almost certainly will get a fourth. One of Dublins most important players and the best wing forward in the game at the moment.

Granted, but you rarely hear him mentioned. Just my perception of it, doesn't mean it's right. :pac:

flasher0030

Moneymaker wrote: »

Paul Flynn is criminally under-rated as a player, and as a man. Top bloke who's a credit to his family, club and the entire county.

Absolute gent.

I’m not from Dublin, but couldn’t agree more with this statement. The man has quietly gone about his business for years and has developed into some kind of “larger than life” role model.

I think it is difficult for wing forwards to establish themselves as key players on a team, as generally they are not that profilic in terms of scores and a lot of their work is tracking back after wing backs. It is over time that they develop a name for themselves e.g. Paul Galvin, Brian Dooher.

Well you can definitely put Paul Flynn on the list of greats. Stylish player who often scores 3/4 points from play. As I say, not easy to do from wing forward. And carries no baggage in matches. Very seldom is in bother with refs, and doesn’t go looking for the limelight off the pitch. He seems determined to use the limited celebrity status that a GAA player has to enhance the lives of those less fortunate people. One of his mates committed suicide and another died from cancer.

And it really does seem so genuine – not looking for public brownie points.

Will leave it at that. You’d never guess that I was a big fan!!! Though from what I’ve written, it sounds like I could be some kind of Paul Flynn stalker.

robbiezero

Moneymaker wrote: »

Granted, but you rarely hear him mentioned. Just my perception of it, doesn't mean it's right. :pac:

Don't know about that. He is not a really prolific scorer in the mould of the Brogans, Connolly, McMenamin etc, but anyone that knows their football knows how valuable a player he is.
If himself or Michael Dara got injured, it would have quite a bearing on Dublins All-Ireland chances (I still think they would win it) moreso than any of the other players on the team.

Dubliner28

robbiezero wrote: »

Hardly under-rated. He has 3 All-Star awards and almost certainly will get a fourth. One of Dublins most important players and the best wing forward in the game at the moment.

+ Shoe in for footballer of the year if Dubs reach/win the final.

Boom__Boom

robbiezero wrote: »

Hardly under-rated. He has 3 All-Star awards and almost certainly will get a fourth. One of Dublins most important players and the best wing forward in the game at the moment.

Really wouldnt be a bit surprised if he won POTY this year or at least was in serious contention.

robbiezero

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Really wouldnt be a bit surprised if he won POTY this year or at least was in serious contention.

Nor me. But I doubt Dublin's games so far will have any major impact on the POTY selection, they have basically been shooting down cannon fodder so far. Performances from here on in are the ones to count.

AGC

robbiezero wrote: »

Nor me. But I doubt Dublin's games so far will have any major impact on the POTY selection, they have basically been shooting down cannon fodder so far. Performances from here on in are the ones to count.

Of course they will have a bearing. At the minute you can't look past Dublin in handing out POTY. It is up to other counties to put it up to them to try get it away from someone like Flynn.

Boom__Boom

robbiezero wrote: »

Nor me. But I doubt Dublin's games so far will have any major impact on the POTY selection, they have basically been shooting down cannon fodder so far. Performances from here on in are the ones to count.

Yeah POTY will be decided from here on in obviously - but could see him ticking a lot of boxes, especially if the Dubs win it and he maintains his performance levels, which I have to say I would be utterly shocked if he doesn't.

When you remember both Brogans & MDMA already have one, so I reckon that would count against them and look at the other possible candidates from the Dublin squad I think he has a great chance of picking it up.

rebel girl 15

Saw that video on youtube, seriously classy touch from Flynn alright

robbiezero

AGC wrote: »

Of course they will have a bearing. At the minute you can't look past Dublin in handing out POTY. It is up to other counties to put it up to them to try get it away from someone like Flynn.

Very little bearing. If Dublin lose the quarter final, it is a safe bet that POTY will not be coming to the capital.

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Next game is Sat August 9th, 6pm.

Godge

STB wrote: »

These pictures from the Indo are even more damning. Looks more like a fish hook. Brogans reaction says it all.

Those picture tell a very clear story.

O'Gara's jersey is being pulled back to the extent that he is nearly choking/gagging. At the same time the Meath player is pulling at his face. Closing his mouth on a finger in it is a benign reaction. I am amazed that O'Gara remained so cool throughout that incident.

fta93

O'Gara and Burke seemingly both in the clear. Neither side chose to take the issue much further which is probably the sensible thing.

I suppose the Dublin county board could have taken it further, but they're probably not petty like me!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-charges-to-be-made-in-alleged-dublin-meath-biting-case-1.1875113?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Slattsy

Wise move from Meath.
Only one winner there after those pictures became surfaced.

fta93

Slattsy wrote: »

Wise move from Meath.
Only one winner there after those pictures became surfaced.

Yep, thankfully everyone stepped back and cleared their heads. Heat of the moment stuff from O'Dowd, I'd say he regrets it.

Slattsy

Became surfaced.... Lol
Not my best use of the English language!
You get my drift though.

Beffs

Is there anything to be said for saying another Mass sorry to the Dublin player, for trying to name and shame him before any conclusive facts or photos were revealed?

fta93

Beffs wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for saying another Mass sorry to the Dublin player, for trying to name and shame him before any conclusive facts or photos were revealed?

Course there won't. Media have a lot to answer for. "Allegation" was front page news, where will the story about him being cleared be in the papers tomorrow? Probably hidden away in a tiny side column.

I know controversy sells but still..

Beffs

Well in fairness to the media - and I don't often say that - the Meath manager handed them this story on a platter. It's not something that they made up, or dug up for themselves.

fta93

Beffs wrote: »

Well in fairness to the media - and I don't often say that - the Meath manager handed them this story on a platter. It's not something that they made up, or dug up for themselves.

I suppose so.. Maybe the naming of him was silly.

Slattsy

It was an attempt to deflect attention away from the performance. And it worked for a day.
Genius.

Beffs

It was more than silly. It was flat out wrong. If a manager genuinely thinks that something like that has happened to one of his players, there are procedures that need to be followed. It is not fair to start naming names and rushing to judgement, or running to the press, immediately after a game, especially if it was a bad loss. If managers do do that, lads are subjected to a trial by media, before any constructive investigating can done. That is just not right.

The sad part of all this, is that other counties may look at this now. They will see all the brouhaha it generated. They may wonder if its worth their while to give it a go too. I really, really hope that does not happen, but with human nature, anything is possible.

Slattsy

He didn't name names in fairness.

coolisin

You know what, let's put a pin in it and leave it alone!

The Dublin management reacted to this correctly tried to make it a non event, not to cover it up because it wasn't a real biting incident.

After all of this I've watched the Sunday game a couple of times with shocked look that every player wearing a blue jersey behaved maturely in that incident I didn't see one fist raised from our point of view, yes pulling and pushing but that was it.

However I feel if Connelly had of being on the field it may have ended differently.
I think he'd of reacted.
Not that I've of blamed him with the slaps that where being thrown!

I've said it before and I'll say it again my stance on a bite is get rid of the player if they do it, like a certain soccer player!

Moneymaker

Our hurlers are playing a vital game in a few days, and we're all talking about a total non-event.

Time to move on lads!

coolisin

Sucks I can't attend this one!

Feels like I'm letting the team down, make sure whoever is going shouts for me!

I would love if we put one over on tipp in semple stadium.

Moneymaker

Gonna be a fun weekend for me, i'll be going with my mothers side of the family.

They are all born and bred Tipp folk.

:pac:

Past30Now

Three quick points

1 - We played really well for 60 minutes against Meath. Great defensive effort which meant that they coughed up the ball regularly. Delighted to see Jack getting a run, and thought that Kevin Mc was brilliant and well deserving of his place in the team.

2 - The Meath manager was let down very badly by his player. Giving out about been bitten when you've put your hand very aggressively in the face of you opponent, at the same time as your other hand is choking the same player with his jersey was wrong on a number of scores. Continuing to give out about it ten minutes later and allowing your manager to believe that you've been seriously wronged was disgraceful and borders somewhere between stupidity and denial.

3 - The lack of reaction by O'Gara and Costello to significant provocation was fantastic to see and an example to every footballer in the county/country. The old ways of "getting your retaliation in first" and all that that entailed should be binned. Those two lads have shown that they won't allow themselves to be riled into doing something stupid. Credit as well to Philly Mc for ignoring a punch to the side of the head towards the end of the "coming together".

Past30Now

The picking of Jack McCaffrey last weekend seems to have come about due to Johnny Coopers unavailability. With Cooper unavailable JG picked Mick Fitz. Fitz isn't one for soloing forward too often (and couldn't do so given his role last weekend). Rory is similar,so that meant that two of the full back line were almost always in position. Hence JG could pick Jack and drop a more solid citizen in Kevin Nolan.

What happens when Johnny Cooper is back fit? Will he get his place back from Mick Fitz, or will he replace Philly or Jack,or will he have to start from the bench.

The forward line is similar. The half forward line picks itself (Flynn, DC and AB), but how does he pick a full forward line with BB, Kevin Mc and Paul Mannion as starters and O'Gara, Costello and Paddy Andrews almost demanding inclusion. It's a great problem to have.

fta93

Any idea where most of the dubs will be at the weekend? Torn between trying to pick up terrace tickets are going with the club bus and getting stand seats on the clubs pass..

fta93

Past30Now wrote: »

The forward line is similar. The half forward line picks itself (Flynn, DC and AB), but how does he pick a full forward line with BB, Kevin Mc and Paul Mannion as starters and O'Gara, Costello and Paddy Andrews almost demanding inclusion. It's a great problem to have.

I'd think Mannion would be most at risk, probably from Andrews. I like the idea of Costello and O'Gara off the bench. Both real gamechangers, one with lightning pace and the other with sheer power.

Moneymaker

One more poor game and i'd be dropping DC tbh.

I'd like to see what CC is capable of from the start.

Either way we'll have an awesome sub to bring on.

Mike Fitz is a useful option to have, especially if the opposition have one really strong marquee forward. Think i'd be bringing Cooper back and leaving Jack where he is.

Past30Now

Moneymaker wrote: »

One more poor game and i'd be dropping DC tbh.

I'd like to see what CC is capable of from the start.

Either way we'll have an awesome sub to bring on.

Mike Fitz is a useful option to have, especially if the opposition have one really strong marquee forward.

I agree about DC but I don't see it happening. If Monaghan get through, that match will suit him. He wasn't that bad against Meath and was involved in a lot of the play in the first half. Two wides and two dropped into the goalkeeper was disappointing, and he was nowhere near of what he is capable of. Given his success with Vincents, with three top quality performances, if we win the AI, he'll be in the running for POTY.

The main change I'd make is to start O'Gara. His physicality is frightening and he creates space for BB and the rest of the forwards.

davegrohl48

flasher0030 wrote: »

I’m not from Dublin, but couldn’t agree more with this statement. The man has quietly gone about his business for years and has developed into some kind of “larger than life” role model.

I think it is difficult for wing forwards to establish themselves as key players on a team, as generally they are not that profilic in terms of scores and a lot of their work is tracking back after wing backs. It is over time that they develop a name for themselves e.g. Paul Galvin, Brian Dooher.

Well you can definitely put Paul Flynn on the list of greats. Stylish player who often scores 3/4 points from play. As I say, not easy to do from wing forward. And carries no baggage in matches. Very seldom is in bother with refs, and doesn’t go looking for the limelight off the pitch. He seems determined to use the limited celebrity status that a GAA player has to enhance the lives of those less fortunate people. One of his mates committed suicide and another died from cancer.

And it really does seem so genuine – not looking for public brownie points.

Will leave it at that. You’d never guess that I was a big fan!!! Though from what I’ve written, it sounds like I could be some kind of Paul Flynn stalker.

If Mayo meet Dublin this year would love to see Keith Higgins in a man marking role on Flynn. Think it would be a hard fought super contest.Need height n speed to mark Flynn. Rare enough ever to see Flynn quietened.

Joekers

fta93 wrote: »

Any idea where most of the dubs will be at the weekend? Torn between trying to pick up terrace tickets are going with the club bus and getting stand seats on the clubs pass..

Just picked up 5 Town End Terrace for myself and 4 others

davidfitz22

A lot up here reckon donegal will be able to contain dublin if they meet in the semi's. Although this Dublin team looks even sharper than last year and could possibly beat donegal.

Moneymaker

davidfitz22 wrote: »

A lot up here reckon donegal will be able to contain dublin if they meet in the semi's. Although this Dublin team looks even sharper than last year and could possibly beat donegal.

I've said before though that Dublins style is specifically designed to counter a mass defence. Speed of movement, good support play, accurate kick passing and many of our players are strong enough to burst through or ride several tackles.

Dropping deep will allow us to take short kick outs. Pushing up will allow Cluxton to pick out a man 50-60 yards down the field.

Monaghan should provide a good barometer of how good Dublin are(provided they beat Kildare, of course).

Gael85

Player Championship Games Played Scored
Andrews, Paddy 9 1-9
Bastic, Denis 23 1-6
Brady, Tomas 2 0-2
Brennan, Ger 27 0-5
Brogan, Alan 61 11-124
Brogan, Bernard 37 13-148
Cluxton, Stephen 69 0-44 -40 Clean Sheets Conceded 40 goals
Connolly, Diarmuid 29 5-35
Cooper, Johnny 9
Costello, Cormac 4 1-9
Cullen, Bryan 55 0-36
Daly, Darren 6
Devereux, Nicky 5 0-1
Fitzsimons, Michael 20
Flynn, Paul 33 3-27
Kilkenny, Ciaran 9 0-14
Macauley, Michael Darragh 25 2-6
Mannion, Paul 9 3-9
McCaffrey, Jack 10 1-2
McCarthy, James 20 1-2
McMahon, Philip 23 0-5
McManamon, Kevin 23 4-20
Nolan, Kevin 22 0-5
O'Brien, Kevin 5
O'Carroll, Rory 28
O'Gara, Eoghan 25 6-13
O'Mahony, Declan 5 0-1
O'Sullivan, Cian 20 0-5
Rock, Dean 9 0-18

Gael85

Dublin have used 25 players in 3 Championship games.Appearances+Subs for 2014 Championship Games

Brogan, Alan 3
Cluxton, Stephen 3
Connolly, Diarmuid 3
Devereux, Nicky 3
Flynn, Paul 3
Macauley, Michael Darragh 3
McCarthy, James 3
McMahon, Philip 3
O'Carroll, Rory 3
O'Sullivan, Cian 3
Mannion, Paul 2+1
McManamon, Kevin 2+1
McCaffrey, Jack 1+2
O'Gara, Eoghan 1+2
Rock, Dean 1+2
Costello, Cormac 0+3
Brogan, Bernard 2
Cooper, Jonny 2
Daly, Darren 1+1
Fitzsimons, Michael 1+1
Brady, Tomas 0+2
Cullen, Bryan 0+2
Andrews, Paddy 1
Nolan, Kevin 1
Bastic Denis 0+1

Dublin have scored 7-66(87) and conceded 2-38(44) in 3 Championship games. Scorers 2014 Championship Game

Costello, Cormac 1-9
Brogan, Bernard 1-7
McManamon, Kevin 1-7
Flynn, Paul 1-6
Rock, Dean 0-8
Connolly, Diarmuid 1-4
O'Gara, Eoghan 1-4
Cluxton, Stephen 0-4
Macauley, Michael Darragh 1-1
Brogan, Alan 0-3
Mannion, Paul 0-3
Brady, Tomas 0-2
O'Sullivan, Cian 0-2
Andrews, Paddy 0-1
Cullen, Bryan 0-1
Devereux, Nicky 0-1
McCaffrey, Jack 0-1
McCarthy, James 0-1
McMahon, Philip 0-1


Dublin have used 36 players in 9 league games.Appearances+Subs for 2014 League Games

Cooper, Jonny 9
Macauley, Michael Darragh 8+1
O'Gara, Eoghan 6+3
Cluxton, Stephen 8
McMahon, Philip 8
McManamon, Kevin 7+1
Byrne, Davy(Ballymun) 2+6
Nelson, Darragh 2+6
O'Sullivan, Cian 7
Brogan, Alan 6+1
Reddin, Ciaran 5+2
Nolan, Kevin 4+3
McCarthy, James 6
Andrews, Paddy 5+1
Fitzsimons, Michael 5+1
Brady, Tomas 2+4
McCaffrey, Jack 2+4
Devereux, Nicky 2+3
Connolly, Diarmuid 4
Cullen, Bryan 4
Flynn, Paul 4
George, Sean 4
Kilkenny, Ciaran 4
O'Carroll, Rory 4
Costello, Cormac 3+1
Carty, Shane 2+2
Whelan, Jason 2+2
Lowndes, Eric 3
Daly, Darren 2+1
O'Mahony, Declan 2+1
Hudson, Paul 1+2
Brogan, Bernard 1+1
Currie, Sean 1+1
Mannion, Paul 0+2
O'Brien, Kevin 0+1
Watson, Daniel 0+1


Dublin have scored 14-138(180) and conceded 11-117(150) in 9 league games. Scorers 2014 League Games

McManamon, Kevin 3-17
Connolly, Diarmuid 2-11
O'Gara, Eoghan 3-7
Brogan, Bernard 1-11
Brogan, Alan 0-12
Andrews, Paddy 1-8
Costello, Cormac 0-10
Cluxton, Stephen 0-10
Macauley, Michael Darragh 2-2
Hudson, Paul 0-7
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-6
Reddin, Ciaran 0-6
Whelan, Jason 1-3
Flynn, Paul 0-5
Cooper, Jonny 0-4
McCarthy, James 1-1
Byrne, Davy(Ballymun) 0-3
Carty, Shane 0-3
Cullen, Bryan 0-2
Mannion, Paul 0-2
McMahon, Philip 0-2
Nelson, Darragh 0-2
O'Sullivan, Cian 0-2
Brady, Tomas 0-1
McCaffrey, Jack 0-1


Dublin have used 30 players in 3 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2014 O'Byrne Cup Games

Carthy, Shane 3
Fitzsimons, Michael 3
George, Sean 3
Hudson, Paul 3
O'Mahony, Declan 3
Whelan, Jason 3
Dawson, Harry 2+1
Nelson, Darragh 2+1
Walsh, Conor 2+1
Cullen, Bryan 2
Currie, Sean 2
Daly, Darren 2
Lowndes, Eric 2
McMahon, Philip 2
McManamon, Kevin 2
Mullins, Cian 2
Nolan, Kevin 2
Guckian, Chris 1+1
Cooper, Jonny 0+2
Fanning, Eoin 0+2
McGovern, Niall 0+2
Watson, Daniel 0+2
Costello, Cormac 1
Cluxton, Stephen 1
Kilkenny, Ciaran 1
O'Carroll, Rory 1
Ryan, Philip 1
Sweeney, Gary 1
Fletcher, Luke 0+1
Flynn, Paul 0+1


Dublin have scored 2-34(40) and conceded 3-26(35) in 3 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2014 O'Byrne Cup Games

Hudson, Paul 0-12
Watson, Daniel 2-2
Costello, Cormac 0-5
Whelan, Jason 0-4
Carty, Shane 0-2
Fanning, Eoin 0-2
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-2
McManamon, Kevin 0-2
Dawson, Harry 0-1
Lowndes, Eric 0-1
Walsh, Conor 0-1


Jim Gavin managerial championship/league record played 27 won 22 drawn 2 lost 3 scored 44-442(574) conceded 23-332 (401)

2014 Championship Played 3 Won-3 Drawn-0 Lost-0 Scored 7-66(87) Conceded 2-38(44)
2013 Championship Played 6 Won-6 Drawn-0 Lost-0 Scored 13-99(138) Conceded 5-71(86)
2014 League Played 9 Won-6 Drawn-1 Lost-2 Scored 14-138(180) Conceded 11-117(150)
2013 League Played 9 Won-7 Drawn-1 Lost-1 Scored 10-139(169) Conceded 5-106(121)

Stoner

davidfitz22 wrote: »

A lot up here reckon donegal will be able to contain dublin if they meet in the semi's. Although this Dublin team looks even sharper than last year and could possibly beat donegal.

I'd love to see this game if it happens, I think Donegal were better defensively in 2011 than they are now.

Thing is that Dublin 2011 team is still largely there too and can play pretty boring stuff if they want/need.

It's a game we all want to see. I thought Monaghan would beat Donegal, but Donegal have the edge back. I don't expect a lot from some of the younger Dublin players if this game happens, but I do think that the defensive spread that Donegal put on Monaghans three half way decent forwards would not be enough against Dublin, they could afford to nearly treble mark Conor McManus, I would expect a huge effort from Donegal and they could do the business.
for Dublin to win I'd expect big games from Rock, O'Gara and B Brogan.

Midfield would be very interesting, I think Murphy would be deployed out there again as he could possibly handle MDMC I'd love to see that match up. Gallagher is the pick of them all at midfield IMHO but he might find the pace tough.

Cooper on McBrearty would be a key match up. As would Dublin's 3 vs Donegals 14 . O'Carrol has done well against Murphy in the past if Murphy goes in there but I don't think Donegal can afford to loose his ball winning capability out the field.

I think the predictable conclusion that we would read about if this was about to happen is that Dublin's subs will finish off Donegal, but Donegal could do the biz with goals.

BTW in the background we have McStay building all this up trying to keep the eye off Mayo and on Dublin and Donegal. I think the Donegal v Mayo would be another great game.

ThunbergsAreGo

Stoner wrote: »

Cooper on McBrearty would be a key match up. As would Dublin's 3 vs Donegals 14 . O'Carrol has done well against Murphy in the past if Murphy goes in there but I don't think Donegal can afford to loose his ball winning capability out the field.
.

For a moment I read this as Dublins three full forwards vs Donegals 14 defenders

coolisin

Wow that was another sh1t day for dublin hurling

but1er

Time for a change

corny

Just really deflated after that.

Lads were trying (some very hard) but to keep it short Dublin need fresh faces and lots of them. Doesn't matter if we go backwards in the short term.

Dyr

Problem is that the fresh faces they need all seem to be opting to play football for dublin