Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

DoctaDee

corny wrote: »

Ah we kind of do need him DARK-KNIGHT. ...

For me, he's one of a kind late in the game if its in the balance. ........

Yeah that's the bind for me too ... case in point last years semi, had a dog of a game, missed countless chances then in the last 5 mins sets up Kev Mc and scores a point on the run off his left (a point that you'd struggle to name 2 other lads scoring)

But all told he should serve the entirety of this proposed ban imo

Dots1982

Yeah as good as Dublin are their FF line aren't firing for a right now so they need Connolly & Kilkenny big time this season if that continues. If this had happened in the Leinster final or later it would have a been bad bad news for Dublin. The timing is the only positive

kona

If dublin are still in it in 12 weeks then its the team that got there that deserves to be played.
He is obviously a option off the bench but i feel he deserves to be dropped, hes a liability at this stage, for every brilliant thing hes capable of hes also well capable of a brainfart and leaving us down a player in a serious game.

I hope to god he cops on but i cannot see it happening unfortunately.
Id lay blame on the GAA too connolly is a fantastic footballer who is being targeted cynically and deserves to be protected within the rules of the game. The fact is hes not and thats why he gets in situations. At the same time hes smart enough to know what the story is.

gormdubhgorm

kona wrote: »

If dublin are still in it in 12 weeks then its the team that got there that deserves to be played.
He is obviously a option off the bench but i feel he deserves to be dropped, hes a liability at this stage, for every brilliant thing hes capable of hes also well capable of a brainfart and leaving us down a player in a serious game.

I hope to god he cops on but i cannot see it happening unfortunately.
Id lay blame on the GAA too connolly is a fantastic footballer who is being targeted cynically and deserves to be protected within the rules of the game. The fact is hes not and thats why he gets in situations. At the same time hes smart enough to know what the story is.

On the positive side of things he gets a bit of a rest.

Wasn't there talk of Connolly burn out, when Vincents were doing well etc etc

It is mad thing to say, but I think Dublin are strong enough to win an all-ireland without Connolly.
There are a queue of lads ready to take his place.

Paranoid Mandroid

Bonniedog wrote: »

This is different, he technically "assaulted" a match official. I be surprised if Dublin appeal it to be honest.

Am I the only one here that thinks this is all ridiculous. Did he:

A. Assault the linesman or
B. Put his hand on the linesman's shoulder

Putting aside who it is, his reputation etc. It was nothing to me. Rules are rules, I get that but I don't think you can call it assault and say he deserves 12 weeks. I don't get it.

Bonniedog

kona wrote: »

If dublin are still in it in 12 weeks then its the team that got there that deserves to be played.
He is obviously a option off the bench but i feel he deserves to be dropped, hes a liability at this stage, for every brilliant thing hes capable of hes also well capable of a brainfart and leaving us down a player in a serious game.

I hope to god he cops on but i cannot see it happening unfortunately.
Id lay blame on the GAA too connolly is a fantastic footballer who is being targeted cynically and deserves to be protected within the rules of the game. The fact is hes not and thats why he gets in situations. At the same time hes smart enough to know what the story is.

Another illustration of the nonsense that black card is that players like Connolly and the Gooch - and from some of our own I admit- Canavan, Mattie Forde in the past - Ciaran McManus are in open season. And nothing done about it. Ref doesn't see these things but umpires and linesmen and assistants do and are like tailors dummies mostly.

His clubman Jimmy Keaveney used to sort out these characters with a punch when he was looking at them. that softened their cough. Thugs from kips that wouldn't beat Dublin in a blue fit but had intimidated us in the past. Connolly nearly be better doing that some day and getting it out of his system.

Stoner

gormdubhgorm wrote:

It is mad thing to say, but I think Dublin are strong enough to win an all-ireland without Connolly. There are a queue of lads ready to take his place.

Much as I'd like this to be true and it might very well be, but he can appear very average when Dublin are doing well but he's delivered some of his best football when the team needed it most, and not necessarily scores, just hanging onto the ball, letting things settle winning crucial ball around the middle of the field etc

corny

Stoner wrote: »

Much as I'd like this to be true and it might very well be, but he can appear very average when Dublin are doing well but he's delivered some of his best football when the team needed it most, and not necessarily scores, just hanging onto the ball, letting things settle winning crucial ball around the middle of the field etc

Only non sub to run the full length of the pitch and provide the option for Alan Brogan in the rain two years ago. His workrate, when he has his game face on outside of Leinster that is;), has won us many a game.

Gael85

kona wrote: »

If dublin are still in it in 12 weeks then its the team that got there that deserves to be played.
He is obviously a option off the bench but i feel he deserves to be dropped, hes a liability at this stage, for every brilliant thing hes capable of hes also well capable of a brainfart and leaving us down a player in a serious game.

I hope to god he cops on but i cannot see it happening unfortunately.
Id lay blame on the GAA too connolly is a fantastic footballer who is being targeted cynically and deserves to be protected within the rules of the game. The fact is hes not and thats why he gets in situations. At the same time hes smart enough to know what the story is.

Connolly should know better at this stage. The GAA has done nothing to protect players like Connolly, Aidan O'Shea and Michael Murphy who are targeted continuously. The referees usually issue 2 yellow cards instead of punishing the instigator.

ProudDUB

Bonniedog wrote: »

Another illustration of the nonsense that black card is that players like Connolly and the Gooch - and from some of our own I admit- Canavan, Mattie Forde in the past - Ciaran McManus are in open season. And nothing done about it. Ref doesn't see these things but umpires and linesmen and assistants do and are like tailors dummies mostly.

His clubman Jimmy Keaveney used to sort out these characters with a punch when he was looking at them. that softened their cough. Thugs from kips that wouldn't beat Dublin in a blue fit but had intimidated us in the past. Connolly nearly be better doing that some day and getting it out of his system.

What ? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yet more lashing out to get frustrations out of his system?

You're just being funny, right?

It is his constant lashing out, that has him in the mess that he - and we - are currently in.

He needs to be encouraged to channel his negative energies into other more productive outlets, not to start punching (more) people.

DARK-KNIGHT

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Am I the only one here that thinks this is all ridiculous. Did he:

A. Assault the linesman or
B. Put his hand on the linesman's shoulder

Putting aside who it is, his reputation etc. It was nothing to me. Rules are rules, I get that but I don't think you can call it assault and say he deserves 12 weeks. I don't get it.

He put his hand on an official in a negative way he deserves to be banned rules are rules.

If he isn't punished it sets a bad example IMO

Paranoid Mandroid

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

He put his hand on an official in a negative way he deserves to be banned rules are rules.

If he isn't punished it sets a bad example IMO

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a ban. All I'm saying is it was not assault and I think 12 weeks is very harsh.

Jayop

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a ban. All I'm saying is it was not assault and I think 12 weeks is very harsh.

It's 3 games, only one of which is competitive.

DARK-KNIGHT

If Dublin plan on moving forward with Connolly involved the chap needs to be spoken to imo

Yes he is the equivalent of world class in the game but absolutely stone mad. I remember being at a Kildare Dublin match where he dropped the knee on the back of a players head on the ground I think it was eoin O'Flaherty and I was shocked absolutely shocked at how level of disregard he showed that day. Maybe I have a view of him due to that though

Either way I hope he sorts himself out when playing he is brilliant I'll admit that

DARK-KNIGHT

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a ban. All I'm saying is it was not assault and I think 12 weeks is very harsh.

I agree for what he did 12 games is harsh but a clear message needs to be sent imo to not touch officials

micks

Jayop wrote: »

It's 3 games, only one of which is competitive.

does it not include ban from club and county games/training?

Joekers

Better off just getting on with it now, you can't lay a hand on an official and that's that. The only thing I wonder is would it have been made such a big deal of if the Tipp lad hadn't of just recently made news with his 12 week ban.

Jayop

micks wrote: »

does it not include ban from club and county games/training?

Yeah, but there's no club football fixtures in Dublin for ages. Really all he's going to miss of importance is a Leinster final where he already has about 10 medals.

The ban is a long one, and I'd prefer these bans for this type of thing to be just games rather than training too but that's the way it is.

Jayop

Joekers wrote: »

Better off just getting on with it now, you can't lay a hand on an official and that's that. The only thing I wonder is would it have been made such a big deal of if the Tipp lad hadn't of just recently made news with his 12 week ban.

McGeeney getting his ban for abuse was another one. They're being seen to be cracking down in it this summer.

No harm.

micks

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I agree for what he did 12 games is harsh but a clear message needs to be sent imo to not touch officials

I wonder why the officials didn't act on the assault on the day?
Shirley for such an assault he should have received a red card ?
The linesman didn't seem too bothered

Will the next referee that assaults a player by placing a hand on their arm or shoulder be dealt with in a similar manner?


yes rules are rules but they are there for everyone its the inconsistencies that cause the problems

break will do him good
in fact if i was him i'd retire from inter county

downthemiddle

Gael85 wrote: »

Connolly should know better at this stage. The GAA has done nothing to protect players like Connolly, Aidan O'Shea and Michael Murphy who are targeted continuously. The referees usually issue 2 yellow cards instead of punishing the instigator.

The difference though is that players like Murphy don't take the bait.

CatInABox

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

Am I the only one here that thinks this is all ridiculous. Did he:

A. Assault the linesman or
B. Put his hand on the linesman's shoulder

Putting aside who it is, his reputation etc. It was nothing to me. Rules are rules, I get that but I don't think you can call it assault and say he deserves 12 weeks. I don't get it.

Here's the rule in tweet format:

https://twitter.com/jholland79/status/871084921212764160

No mention of assault at all, but even "Minor Physical Interference" comes with a 12 week holiday.

It still has to be imposed, and I think it may still come down to the referees report.

DARK-KNIGHT

micks wrote: »

I wonder why the officials didn't act on the assault on the day?
Shirley for such an assault he should have received a red card ?
The linesman didn't seem too bothered

Will the next referee that assaults a player by placing a hand on their arm or shoulder be dealt with in a similar manner?


yes rules are rules but they are there for everyone its the inconsistencies that cause the problems

break will do him good
in fact if i was him i'd retire from inter county

I never said he assaulted anyone lets get that straight. I'm old stock by the way I played the game and was a pig on the pitch but I dared to even think about pushing a match official. he didn't assault him but he broke the rules end of.. so if he is allowed to do that what stops other players intimidating officials if there are lenient rules as to what is and is not acceptable

doc_17

Have the CCCC received the report yet?

BonnieSituation

micks wrote: »

yes rules are rules but they are there for everyone its the inconsistencies that cause the problems

So you're arguing FOR inconsistency and non-application of the rules.

I was at the game. Saw it i real time. And still think he should've walked at the time.

Even with that I have no qualms with the punishment. He pushed the linesman. End. Of.

It wasn't violent, but given what led up to it was aggressive. Not only that, he consistently remonstrated with the same linesman later on in the game, even pushing through team mates to get to him.

How anyone can defend this is beyond me.

I hate how players get away with stuff all the time. It's that what brings our games into disrepute.

Not a bean last year for Donaghy v Clare. Nothing. Like i said, if that was Connolly or James McCarthy or anyone in Blue i would hope they'd meet the full rigours of the rulebook.

I remembered a sickening incident years ago (possibly 2006 or 07) where Ciarán Whelan did a number on a yellow-belly... Couldn't believe he got away with it at the time (ban-wise). Couldn't stomach the f-er after that. The rules are there to be used. They should be used on everyone as required.

micks

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I never said he assaulted anyone lets get that straight. I'm old stock by the way I played the game and was a pig on the pitch but I dared to even think about pushing a match official. he didn't assault him but he broke the rules end of.. so if he is allowed to do that what stops other players intimidating officials if there are lenient rules as to what is and is not acceptable

Thats one of my points - inconsistency
every year someone somewhere "lays a hand" on an official

I still would question why it wasnt dealt with on the day if deemed serious
Its not like it was missed by the officials considering it involved one

I'm not aiming the "assault" tag at anyone - its been hyped up to that in the thread

Gael85

downthemiddle wrote: »

The difference though is that players like Murphy don't take the bait.

Murphy is no angel. Has gotten away with a lot including a knee in DC kidneys in 2014 semi final but has way more control over his actions. How he kept his head was admirable when Justin McMahon was at him physically/verbally for the whole game a couple years ago.

CurryFlavoured

We know he has a discipline problem, it's been a problem for years and tbh it's crazy that this is the first long ban he's got (I think?). The action itself wasn't particularly violent but I wouldn't have huge sympathy for Connolly.

But anyway, we'll be OK. He'll be back for the crunch games (hoping we make it that far), but, and I'm sure many will disagree, but I don't think Connolly is half as important to Dublin as many make out. A supremely talented player who we may miss but I honestly don't feel he contributes as much he could.

dxhound2005

The mass brawls which are common often result in a couple of yellow cards and that is the end of the matter. Serious individual off the ball incidents or bad tackles often result in a card and sometimes a short ban. What happened between Down and Armagh for example is far more serious than what Connolly did, but none of those players will be facing a 12 week ban.

But players know that breaking the rule about interfering with officials is a 12 week minimum ban so that is why it is so uncommon. It could only be described as a harsh "sentence" if a player gets more than the 12 weeks.

DoctaDee

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