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Slattsy

wazzer1 wrote: »

Sorry but 0-17 against the "blanket" isnt bad scoring.

Would Cork, Kerry, Mayo or even Donegal have scored 17 today? Definitely.

Slattsy

I see the same old signs as previous years, ah maybe im just a bit negative after that performance.

Lots of time to improve

ThunbergsAreGo

Slattsy wrote: »

I see the same old signs as previous years, ah maybe im just a bit negative after that performance.

Lots of time to improve

It was the defending or lack of that has me more worried tbh

thinkstoomuch1

Slattsy wrote: »

Would Cork, Kerry, Mayo or even Donegal have scored 17 today? Definitely.

No they wouldn't
Forget donegal today as they had no interest in that game with Tyrone looming
Cork couldn't break down donegal blanket in league game few weeks back a more accurate reflection

thinkstoomuch1

naughtb4 wrote: »

It was the defending or lack of that has me more worried tbh

I worry for the rest of the country if Dublin think today or lowest concession scores league with 2-94 is lack of defending in eight games
If that's bad defending then no team has a chance to best good defence which must surely concede less
Fact is Dublin defensive structure has been outstanding so far this league and it's the best in division one
That's tell it own story imo

Gael85

Dublin have used 35 players in 8 League games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 League Games

Cooper, Jonny 8
McManamon, Kevin 8
Rock, Dean 8
McCaffrey, Jack 7+1
Brady, Tomas 6+2
Bastic, Denis 7
Kilkenny, Ciaran 5+2
McMahon, Philip 5+2
Culligan, Eoin 6
O'Carroll, Rory 6
Small, John 5+1
Brogan, Bernard 4+2
Costello, Cormac 3+3
Fenton, Brian 2+4
Cluxton, Stephen 5 (4 Clean Sheets. Conceeded 1 Goal)
Flynn, Paul 4+1
O'Gara, Eoghan 3+2
McCarthy, James 2+3
O'Conghaile, Emmett 2+3
Connolly, Diarmuid 4
Daly, Darren 3+1
O'Sullivan, Cian 2+2
Andrews, Paddy 1+3
Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 1+3
Currie, Sean 3 (2 Clean Sheets. Conceeded 1 Goal)
Carthy, Shane 2+1
Fitzsimons, Michael 2+1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 2+1
Byrne, David (Olafs) 1+2
Devereux, Nicky 1+2
Lowndes, Eric 1+2
Reddin, Ciaran 0+2
Deegan, Michael 0+1
McHugh, Conor 0+1
Ryan, Philip 0+1

Dublin have scored 7-110 and conceded 2-94 in 8 League games. Scorers 2015 League Games

Rock, Dean 1-42
Brogan, Bernard 2-6
McCaffrey, Jack 1-6
Brady, Tomas 0-7
McManamon, Kevin 0-7
Fenton, Brian 1-3
Connolly, Diarmuid 0-5
Flynn, Paul 0-5
Costello, Cormac 1-2
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-4
McMahon, Philip 0-4
O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-4
O'Gara, Eoghan 0-4
Bastic, Denis 1-1
Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 0-2
Carthy, Shane 0-2
Cooper, Jonny 0-2
Andrews, Paddy 0-1
Deegan, Michael 0-1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0-1
Ryan, Philip 0-1

Dublin have used 34 players in 5 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 O'Byrne Cup

Brady, Tomas 5
Culligan, Eoin 5
Devereux, Nicky 5
O'Conghaile, Emmett 5
Rock, Dean 5
Small, John 5
Daly, Darren 5
Fitzsimons, Michael 4+1
Bastick, Denis 4
O'Gara, Eoghan 4
Hannigan, Graham 3+1
Ryan, Philip 2+2
Carthy, Shane 1+3
Scully, Niall 0+4
Costello, Cormac 3
McManamon, Kevin 3
Molloy, Lorcan 3 (1 Clean Sheet)
Collins, Niall 2+1
O'Carroll, Rory 2+1
Cooper, Jonny 1+2
Dawson, Harry 1+2
Lowndes, Stuart 0+3
Currie, Sean 2 (1 Clean Sheet)
McCaffrey, Jack 1+1
Dunleavy, Craig 1+1
Deegan, Michael 0+2
Kavanagh, Ian 0+2
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0+2
O'Higgins, Paddy 0+2
McCarrick, Alan 0+1
McGowan, Ross 0+1
McGuire, Conor 0+1
McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0+1
McMahon, Philip 0+1

Dublin have scored 3-80 and conceded 3-43 in 5 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2015 O'Byrne Cup Games

Rock, Dean 0-38
O'Gara, Eoghan 2-7
McManamon, Kevin 1-6
Brady, Tomas 0-7
O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-6
Carthy, Shane 0-5
Ryan, Philip 0-3
Costello, Cormac 0-2
Deegan, Michael 0-2
Cooper, Jonny 0-1
Culligan, Eoin 0-1
McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0-1
Scully, Niall 0-1

TouchingVirus

Slattsy wrote: »

I see the same old signs as previous years, ah maybe im just a bit negative after that performance.

Lots of time to improve

Me and dad had the same discussion on the walk back to the car after the game and we came down on the same side as you. "There wasn't much out there today that said we'll be around in September". That was the cue for a long conversation on how maybe we're too hard on Dublin and need to sit back and take stock of where we are.

ProudDUB

Hard to know what to make of today really. Always great to get the win, even better to see things so tight at the back. But dear God, the lack of creativity in the full forward line is truly worrying, this late in the league. No spark of energy from anywhere else in the line, except maybe Kev Mc. With O'Gara gone for the year and BB's fitness always questionable these days, its time for others to step up, show some initiative & make the effort, on a consistent basis & I'm just not seeing it.

Paranoid Mandroid

Another day and Monaghan might not have been so clinical. They were so accurate, some great scores and very few wides from them. I don't think Dublin ever looked in much danger really and I thought it was Monaghans accuracy that kept them in the game and McManus of course. We scored plenty against a defensive team, I don't think its as bad as what's being made out.

CurryFlavoured

Full forward line is a worry for sure, the signs were there last season. I don't see a top performer like a McManus or O'Donoghue level guy there to bail us out when needed.

Stoner

naughtb4 wrote:

Was a free given at the end for the push on cluxton?

I don't think he was pushed. I think he dummied going for the ball, just as he was about to touch it he pulled his hands down fooling the inside forwards and it went wide. I might be wrong but it's something he does every now and then

Kavrocks

TouchingVirus wrote: »

That was the cue for a long conversation on how maybe we're too hard on Dublin and need to sit back and take stock of where we are.

Most Dublin football fans are horrendously hard on Dublin. It amazes me how hard they are. Its something I've noticed a lot of over the last year especially.

ThunbergsAreGo

Stoner wrote: »

I don't think he was pushed. I think he dummied going for the ball, just as he was about to touch it he pulled his hands down fooling the inside forwards and it went wide. I might be wrong but it's something he does every now and then

Cheers, hard to tell from where we were sitting, risky enough move!

CurryFlavoured

I'm not worried. We are coming good and if I'm being honest I think we would have beaten Kerry last season in the final, Donegal was a bad match-up where we played on their terms. Right now I'd say we'll be there or thereabouts again crunch time.

The problem for me is that the problem areas are still the problem areas (midfield, centre back, maybe corner back but that's more an issue with the system), and our full forward line isn't really firing either. I'd have loved Costello to have come through but he seems a bit frail. I might be nitpicking but that's the standard it takes to win All Irelands.

DoctaDee

Kavrocks wrote: »

Most Dublin football fans are horrendously hard on Dublin. It amazes me how hard they are. Its something I've noticed a lot of over the last year especially.

Yeah this is partly true, I wouldn't say most but there's a sizeable number in the grumbling masses. I went onto The Hill yesterday for a change of scenery and there was a level of discontent which I can only put down to over expectation.

Look to be fair to Monaghan and Malachy O'Rourke having lost the previous 2 encounters by a combined 20 something points there had to be a level of learning that they'd bring to the game yesterday and in fairness they did - I think their game plan was to stifle and keep it close and they walked away with an honourable defeat that they can take into the Ulster Championship with excellent displays from McManus & Hughes. They are a formidable defensive unit when they can get set and play the game on their terms and for the vast majority of the game yesterday (unlike the previous 2 meetings) they could afford to do that.

I'd definetely be a glass half full type after the league campaign - with all the clamour around blanket defences we beat them all bar Tyrone, and history will show that those games are notoriously tight affairs. Something I'd said previously and thinkstoomuch again brought it to our attention is that Dublin have the best defence in the league this year, so while others maybe looking to improvement further up the field it can't be denied that Jim Gavin has looked to other defensive aspects of the team.

While I'd respect everyones right to an opinion, the man on the ditch comment "there's no all ireland in that team" would seem a little OTT bearing in mind that to my way of thinking they've been the best team in Ireland the last 2 and a bit years. Ta

ThunbergsAreGo

Monaghans kicking was extremely impressive yesterday, some great scores

zAbbo

Dublin fans are very hard on a team that has 2 All Irelands in 20 years.

I was at both of the games over the last 2 weeks, and the difference came down to accuracy and finishing off moves.

Dublin had that in spades last week, and Monaghan were poor. Some days it comes off, some days it doesn't.

Monaghan players are expected to follow their men if they go into the Monaghan half, this is hardly blanket defence as it's the same for Dublin.

Dublin won the majority of kickouts, so the players had to stay with their men.

An enjoyable game, and probably the best performance/result for both teams to kick on.

Lombardo86

naughtb4 wrote: »

Monaghans kicking was extremely impressive yesterday, some great scores

I always felt McManus was riding a bit of luck but i was thoroughly convinced yesterday he is the real deal. Double marked - Yet always managed to get hands on the ball and while Byrne was trying to be smart sticking to his left, McManus proved more than capable hitting them with his right also. If i could put myself in an impartial observers position - he was great to watch.

Dublin i did feel lacked a bit of penetration up front. Kev mc is like a bull when on the ball but if you force him to be the only one to contribute in that way he will gas out and be subbed quite early. I felt the rest of the forwards were not great. Kilkenny can win ball and is a very good distributor - but I wish he was sharper on his feet to turn/move.

Positives i took from it:

decent fielding from Dublin (even though its most likely Bastick won't get a start in Championship)

A hands on example of what needs to be changed defensively when coming up against top, scoring forwards

Clear evidence we need a reshuffle in the inside forward line when it comes to ensuring scores when in tight spaces against a packed last quarter

Slattsy

What was up with BB yesterday anyway ?

Stoner

Thought they were two low intensity games yesterday it was a flat day overall. Best part of yesterday was Corks corner forwards IMHO.

Not too many Dubs arrived early for the first game.

Very few from Cork went at all. They should play the final somewhere else closer to Cork or just in Cork. Possibly top of the league gets the game at home, a bit of an incentive to finish top. Would have made Cork concentrate more on Derry last week rather than it being a nothing game.

A large chunk of the Donegal support left after their game.

I thought it was there for monaghan yesterday. Of all four teams it would have meant the most to them.

Our forwards didn't really gel. Rory OCarrol was missed at full back. We were shown up again in the corners.

Bastic put in a good shift, but Monaghans lack a ball winner in midfield made us look a little better. Thought O'Sullivan looked sharp. Had some nice interceptions.

It was a good run out for Small and Fenton, Andrews looked shot shy again when he came on. Kilkenny moved well again, however he seems to have cured his dropped short point efforts by not shooting at all. Thought it was Mcmanamans least effective game this year. One really nice point but largely ran into trouble and gave the ball away a bit too. I agree the forwards are not gelling.

Thought McAdam did a decent job on Flynn. Monaghan learned a lot in a week. Although it was not ideal playing the same team one week later. Not starting O Carroll and Brady made it harder for us.

DoctaDee

Slattsy wrote: »

What was up with BB yesterday anyway ?

"Soft tissue" injury nothing serious will be ready for Cork game

ProudDUB

Bernard fell hard on his wrist late in the Clone game. The physio came on and looked at it. We had used up all our subs by then, so its hard to tell if he was left on because we had no subs left, or the injury didn't seem that bad at the time. So hopefully, it was just a mildly sprained wrist and nothing more.

Lombardo86 wrote: »

Dublin i did feel lacked a bit of penetration up front. Kev mc is like a bull when on the ball but if you force him to be the only one to contribute in that way he will gas out and be subbed quite early. I felt the rest of the forwards were not great. Kilkenny can win ball and is a very good distributor - but I wish he was sharper on his feet to turn/move.

Exactly. Kev Mc is at his most effective when there are other forwards on too, who are performing to a good standard also. Their markers can't leave them alone, so Kev Mc gets time and space to do what he does best...get the head down and drive on at defenses like a battering ram. But when Kev Mc has to do it all by himself, other teams can see that and they crowd him out very quickly. That then limits his over all effectiveness. It's hard to see him working like a trojan to do it all himself (when O'Gara and BB aren't around) and getting so little support from the other full forwards.

diceyreilly

Any hurling season ticket holders that can't make the game on Sunday will you gis a shout please. Looking for 2.

Pierce_1991

Anyone know is there a fans bus going down to the game? I know Friends of Dublin Hurling organise one sometimes.

DoctaDee

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Anyone know is there a fans bus going down to the game? I know Friends of Dublin Hurling organise one sometimes.

Yeah the FODH fun bus leaves Connolly at 11, tenner for members 15 non members

Slattsy

Terribly sad news that Dave Billings passed away suddenly last night.

Never met him personally but a true blue and helped many a good player through the ranks over the years.

castletownman

Have no affiliation with Dublin GAA whatsoever, but knew Dave through my time at UCD. Got me heavily involved with various football teams and really looked after everyone involved in the games within the college. Bumped into him a few times since in Croker, and even once when passing through campus a few weeks ago, and he'd always stop for a chat.

RIP Dave

Pierce_1991

Just went onto Tickets.ie there looking to get two tickets for the games on Sunday but they're saying online purchasing is no longer available. The game wouldn't be sold out would it?

C.O.Y.B.I.B

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Just went onto Tickets.ie there looking to get two tickets for the games on Sunday but they're saying online purchasing is no longer available. The game wouldn't be sold out would it?

Not a chance, might be they were selling lr levels first and that sold out, but even then I'd be surprised

ProudDUB

Doubt it its a sell out now. It might be by throw in tomorrow, when you factor in the walk up crowd. But it would hardly sell out in advance.
Tickets.ie have a cut off period that you can't buy tickets online after. (I presume its so that they can figure out how many tickets they have left over to sell at the gate.) I thought it was 24 hrs before the event, but the cut off may be the day before. So if you go online past midnight on Friday night, you are technically into the day before the game, so online sales have been cut off.

dirtyden

It will never be a sell out. There will be a decent crowd there, maybe even close to 20K. You will have no bother going down without a ticket though, should be a decent day out.

DoctaDee

Big disappointment for the U21's this evening can't say it wasn't coming based on their ability to play for only half a game up to now - but congrats to Tipp it was well deserved on their 2nd half performance.

Pierce_1991

Got tickets today in Super Valu in Raheny, they told me the new stand is sold out but I got two for the old stand. Definitely looks like there will be a good crowd for the games anyway.

TouchingVirus

Ger needs to teach Dublin how to close out games. Three times this year we've racked up a great lead against great teams (Tipp, Kilkenny and Cork today) and three times we've ended up fading in the second half. Twice we got away with it, but not today - gutted. Mark Schutte - take your points.

DoctaDee

Yeah very disappointed to see that one leak away. I wouldn't be a close follower of the hurlers but it does strike me that the quality of some of the hurling from Dublin this year is a good step above anything we've seen recently ? ... I'm particularly impressed with their stick work - Peter Kelly has been as good a full back there is.

TouchingVirus

Peter Kelly has been one of the stars of the league for me. His composure under pressure is exactly what Dublin need and even today he was making vital catches and interceptions - long may his form continue. The overall standard is still high, I heard Tipp and Waterford lads around me today commenting on how Dublin are right up there, a considerable challenge and that makes me smile

This year was a really good chance to win the league. We beat Tipp at home, Kilkenny away, narrowly lost to Clare away and beat Galway at home. Cork trounced us, which just makes letting today slip away that much more painful. I'm delighted with where Dublin Hurling has got to the last few years, to get those results and performances is fantastic. But still, we're not looking to be second or third or fourth best - we want to be the very best. I want to see Dublin win the league, the Leinster and the All Ireland and those lads on the pitch want it too. And to do that you need to bring the hunger for the full 70 and close out the games; take the points.

Pierce_1991

Just back from Nolan Park, spent the entire journey trying to figure out how we let that one slip but I'm still at a loss to explain it. How many times this year have we built big leads and let teams back into it? You'd think we would have learned. I'm thinking maybe our lack of options off the bench could cost us this season.

corny

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah very disappointed to see that one leak away. I wouldn't be a close follower of the hurlers but it does strike me that the quality of some of the hurling from Dublin this year is a good step above anything we've seen recently ? ... I'm particularly impressed with their stick work - Peter Kelly has been as good a full back there is.

Yeah absolutely a step up on what we've seen before. The likes of McMorrow and Schutte are very tidy hurlers in this regard. We carry far more threat up front now too which is hugely encouraging.

All in all a horrible way to lose but i wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram. Cunningham couldn't have made a better start as far as i'm concerned.

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Just back from Nolan Park, spent the entire journey trying to figure out how we let that one slip but I'm still at a loss to explain it. How many times this year have we built big leads and let teams back into it? You'd think we would have learned. I'm thinking maybe our lack of options off the bench could cost us this season.

Cork upped the intensity near the close of the game. They were able to this because they literally walked around the place for the first 20 minutes. Were they purposely conserving energy? I don't know but all the while we lashed into them expending ours.

Simple matter of them using the energy wisely. The Dublin footballers to it to every team in Leinster - start slow, allow the other team kill themselves, then take the game away from them (if needs be of course) towards the end.

TouchingVirus wrote: »

And to do that you need to bring the hunger for the full 70 and close out the games; take the points.

Ah no... Lads gave everything today. A couple of poor wides as they got tired shouldn't disguise that.

corny

See Alan Brogan got 4 points today. Anyone out in Skerries?

Pierce_1991

corny wrote: »

Yeah absolutely a step up on what we've seen before. The likes of McMorrow and Schutte are very tidy hurlers in this regard. We carry far more threat up front now too which is hugely encouraging.

All in all a horrible way to lose but i wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram. Cunningham couldn't have made a better start as far as i'm concerned.



Cork upped the intensity near the close of the game. They were able to this because they literally walked around the place for the first 20 minutes. Were they purposely conserving energy? I don't know but all the while we lashed into them expending ours.

Simple matter of them using the energy wisely. The Dublin footballers to it to every team in Leinster - start slow, allow the other team kill themselves, then take the game away from them (if needs be of course) towards the end.




Ah no... Lads gave everything today. A couple of poor wides as they got tired shouldn't disguise that.

I agree but there's also an element of the footballers being able to bring on 4 or 5 lads who are just as good as those on the field whereas the hurlers don't really have that option. If we tire ourselves out going hell for leather in the first half we don't have the option of freshening things up late on.

On another note I think Keaney should be back in the half forwards and Rushe back to CB. Liam played really well today but I think we needed a player like him at the back today in the final ten minutes.

DDC1990

I was out in Skerries today. Dublin were lucky to get the draw IMO, but it wasn't bad fare for a friendly.

The scorers for Dublin were:
Phillip Ryan 1-2 (Came on in the second half)
Harry Dawson 0-5 (3 frees) (Umpire gave him 2 points that were very clearly wide though)
Alan Brogan 0-4 (was in and out of the game, but very effective when on form)
Paddy Andrews 0-3 (some shocking kicking from him at times but still came away with 3 points)
Emmet Ó Conghaile 0-1
Shane Carthy 0-1

Galway:
Shane Walsh 1-2 (1 from a 45) Classy footballer. His goal was the score of the game.
Danny Cummins 0-4
Micheal Martin 0-3
Ian Burke 0-2
Paul Conroy 0-2 (both frees)
Michael Lundy 0-1
Paddy Naughton 0-1
Garry O'Donnell 0-1

Collie D

Assume the ticket office is open this week? Might try to renew the Parnell Pass while I'm up there. Can't remember how I've done it in previous years but don't think I've ever received anything from them asking me to renew.

DoctaDee

Collie D wrote: »

Assume the ticket office is open this week? Might try to renew the Parnell Pass while I'm up there. Can't remember how I've done it in previous years but don't think I've ever received anything from them asking me to renew.

Yeah its open til 7 tonight AFAIK. Can't remember myself ever getting a whistler from DCB either .. I used to renew the PP on the old website, but I'm guessing its under the revamped (Hill16 site) now

DoctaDee

corny wrote: »

Yeah absolutely a step up on what we've seen before. The likes of McMorrow and Schutte are very tidy hurlers in this regard. We carry far more threat up front now too which is hugely encouraging...

All in all a horrible way to lose but i wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram. Cunningham couldn't have made a better start as far as i'm concerned......

Agree 100%, the score that stood out for me yesterday was Rushe's point towards the end of the 1st half. It all started with Ryan O'Dwyer chasing back 40 yards to dispossess the Cork runner, a diagonal ball by McMorrow into the corner from O'Dwyers flick and then the ground ball into Rushe from Dotsy... it sorta encapsulated a lot of what I think Ger Cunningham has brought to the Dublin game.

ProudDUB

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah its open til 7 tonight AFAIK. Can't remember myself ever getting a whistler from DCB either .. I used to renew the PP on the old website, but I'm guessing its under the revamped (Hill16 site) now

They don't send out reminder emails for renewals. The only email PP holders get, is a confirmation of purchase receipt after you purchase the PP itself. I think that email comes from the third party company that the DCB use to process online transactions. So it could be that the data is secured & the DCB doesn't even has access to subscribers email addresses to send out renewal notices. It's up to us to keep an eye on their website, Twitter announcements etc etc. Very progressive ! :rolleyes:

DoctaDee

ProudDUB wrote: »

They don't send out reminder emails for renewals. The only email PP holders get, is a confirmation of purchase receipt after you purchase the PP itself. I think that email comes from the third party company that the DCB use to process online transactions. So it could be that the data is secured & the DCB doesn't even has access to subscribers email addresses to send out renewal notices. It's up to us to keep an eye on their website, Twitter announcements etc etc. Very progressive ! :rolleyes:

LOL.. Remember the days there were surplus PP's in August ... they were harder to shift than a constipated elephant :rolleyes:

Collie D

DoctaDee wrote: »

LOL.. Remember the days there were surplus PP's in August ... they were harder to shift than a constipated elephant :rolleyes:

I didn't renew in 2013 and got one after the semi win. Just didn't have the cash in May and then forgot about it. Had resigned myself to watching on telly.

Still a couple of my friends' wives who are none the wiser as to how we got tickets. Not sure they'd have been impressed with the close to €200 paid for pass and ticket

Iseult The Fair

Here's to a great game at Croker today! Baile Átha Cliath Abú!

DoctaDee

The Dubs will have one less voice cheering them on from Croker today, I'm stuck here in 97 degrees in Florida!


Any reports, updates etc will be appreciated. Enjoy the game

Iseult The Fair

DoctaDee wrote: »

The Dubs will have one less voice cheering them on from Croker today, I'm stuck here in 97 degrees in Florida!


Any reports, updates etc will be appreciated. Enjoy the game

Nice one! Are you on Twitter? I follow Dub Match Tracker.