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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944
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The didnt look sharp at all yesterday, compared to Glaway they looked out of shape and short of breath after about 20 mins. Still early days mind you and could be the kick up the backside they need. I fear a repeat of 2012 though
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Despite how you feel about it personally we all know there's an incredible element of tribalism to the GAA. There'll always be Dublin/Meath and Kerry/Anybody rivalries, it just adds to the atmosphere for those games. I wouldn't be happy for example to see the Brogans jump ship because Dublin weren't winning Sam, they're panel players. At the same time you've got people who are no longer in the panel like Craig Dias and Eamonn Fennell and I couldn't begrudge them a shot at Sam with another county. As you say - where do you draw the line to stop players swapping counties every season, where would loyalty come into it then? It is, after all, an amateur game.
It's a topic for the wider GAA community and much like you I'm full of conflicting views. So conflicted in fact that, if I espoused on them some more I'd very quickly highlight my hypocrisy
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TouchingVirus wrote: »Despite how you feel about it personally we all know there's an incredible element of tribalism to the GAA. There'll always be Dublin/Meath and Kerry/Anybody rivalries, it just adds to the atmosphere for those games. I wouldn't be happy for example to see the Brogans jump ship because Dublin weren't winning Sam, they're panel players. At the same time you've got people who are no longer in the panel like Craig Dias and Eamonn Fennell and I couldn't begrudge them a shot at Sam with another county. As you say - where do you draw the line to stop players swapping counties every season, where would loyalty come into it then? It is, after all, an amateur game.
It's a topic for the wider GAA community and much like you I'm full of conflicting views. So conflicted in fact that, if I espoused on them some more I'd very quickly highlight my hypocrisy
Yeah I've nothing to disagree with in there. I think at the time I defended Johnston somewhat, saying if he was good enough for county football in his own county but couldn't get a game for non-playing reasons he shouldn't be subjected to the sort of measures he was as an amateur.
Only a small leap then though for say footballers not good enough for Kerry to declare themselves for Limerick etc which would see the whole thing ruined.
We're lucky in Ireland w.r.t rugby that provincial allegiances have largely remained in the 20 or so years that players moving around has become viable, but you can see it already starting to erode as more money enters and clubs can start to hoover up talent a la soccer.
When the lionshare of the work is centralised around a small few places in Ireland you could see it going a similar way even when guys are moving for legitimate reasons of work, never mind when transfers are happening purely for the sake of the sports.
I don't like the idea of dictating to amateur players in these circumstances but it's starting to seem to me that it might be the lesser of the two evils.0 -
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Yesterday was a good day. Seeing a good crowd in the Neller It was a welcome change from the O'Byrne Cup and Galway attendances
And now to the actual performance - what a response from the shambles of last week. Liam Rushe was a talisman at the back, the support he gave the midfield and forwards from the puck outs was phenomenal and he was dogged in defence. Conal Keaney was in flying form and looked dangerous any time he had the sliothar. Alan McCrabbe was a welcome addition who provided some much needed scores from frees and that sublime sideline point was a thing of beauty earning some well deserved applause from both sides in the stands. Peter Kelly had a good match and that was a welcome change from huffing and puffing after 20 minutes like in Galway, glad to see him getting the form back. We're still not up to Championship standards obviously but after a false start we're finally going in the right direction.
Overall I thought Alan Kelly had an abysmal match. He was often off the pace, a good 30 yards away from play, and calling frees on both sides that simply weren't or missing things that were. Some Clare fans I spoke to felt particularly aggrieved about Shane O'Donnell's handling throughout the match by the Dublin backline. I was frustrated at his lack of bottle to stamp out that niggly, thorny shíte that grew and grew in the last 20 minutes - take out the card, dish out the warnings and stop the handbags in their tracks.0 -
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TouchingVirus wrote: »Yesterday was a good day. Seeing a good crowd in the Neller It was a welcome change from the O'Byrne Cup and Galway attendances And now to the actual performance - what a response from the shambles of last week. Liam Rushe was a talisman at the back, the support he gave the midfield and forwards from the puck outs was phenomenal and he was dogged in defence. Conal Keaney was in flying form and looked dangerous any time he had the sliothar. Alan McCrabbe was a welcome addition who provided some much needed scores from frees and that sublime sideline point was a thing of beauty earning some well deserved applause from both sides in the stands. Peter Kelly had a good match and that was a welcome change from huffing and puffing after 20 minutes like in Galway, glad to see him getting the form back. We're still not up to Championship standards obviously but after a false start we're finally going in the right direction.
Overall I thought Alan Kelly had an abysmal match. He was often off the pace, a good 30 yards away from play, and calling frees on both sides that simply weren't or missing things that were. Some Clare fans I spoke to felt particularly aggrieved about Shane O'Donnell's handling throughout the match by the Dublin backline. I was frustrated at his lack of bottle to stamp out that niggly, thorny shíte that grew and grew in the last 20 minutes - take out the card, dish out the warnings and stop the handbags in their tracks.
If Cork had handled O Donnell like Kelly and the boys did yesterday they would have another All Ireland0 -
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A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow
This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredible overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out on their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.
It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.0 -
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TouchingVirus wrote: »A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow
This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredibly overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out of their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.
It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.
Dint think anyone is blaming the referee, we had more then enough chance to win and can blame only ourselves. That said we should have had a free in the lead up their goal.0 -
TouchingVirus wrote: »A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow
This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredibly overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out of their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.
It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.
I thought James McCarthy did ok there in second half and he plays there for the club. May have made himself an option.
Re the black card, for such a fussy ref he let himself down badly in my opinion on that aspect. mcmaneman was hauled back by jersey through on goal and 7 for Cork given neither a black or a yellow. Later on same player rugby tackles out wide left and after a long discussion ref gives him a yellow not a black?
Poor work. Ref must have wasted 5 or 6 minutes on his own just talking to players and discussing things with linesmen and umpires, there are about 10 subs in second half, cork waste time going down injured, hoping back up when there is a goal chance then going back down injured. and then we only get 2 added minutes?
None of it is why we lost, but it's the same poor quality reffing as we saw throughout last year across most high level games. It's not good enough.0 -
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Well imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. and to that end you'd have to applaud the Cork performance on Saturday full of vigour and athleticism and a radical change to what we'd seen last year with their over reliance on the hoofball into Sheehan. Cork were back to their clinical best with their general point scoring and particularly the free taking which was our ultimate demise in both the 2010 AI SF and League Final.
We've a habit here of reflecting on the dominance of the opposition midfield through different stages of a game - but ultimately the Dublin midfield in whatever guise eventually get a stranglehold on a game in the latter stages. Their direct opponents are nearly always physically bigger and giving away a fair height difference but ultimately the greater agility/fitness tends to turn the tide. Goold and Walsh dominated the 1st half, but the tank ran dry for both of them - the blueprint wont change this year either - stay with them for 50 mins and impose their greater endurance late on.
Dublin weren't as dynamic as we've seen them previously .. I think Jack Mc was on the pitch over half an hour before we saw one of his lung bursters, he seemed quite content dinking 20-30 yard passes into the HF line. On the other hand Philly was offering great support running but then inexplicably putting the brakes on and taking the pace out of the attack turning back in on himself.
As others have said the kicking and shot selection was poor, strangely 2 of the biggest culprits Carthy & Reddin also scored fantastic points. I felt that the success of this years outfit was dependent on 1 or 2 new lads forcing their way into the shake up, so far I've seen little other than the emergence of Costello - and to be honest we're really quite ok in the front 6, I'd hoped that George may have forced his way into a corner back role with KOB gone for the year - Mick Fitz likewise was a bit at sea at times.
Finally was great to see the comeback of Colm O'Neill, young fella has been through the mill and I had only spoken with him last year 3 weeks before his injury when he was full of enthusiasm for the coming year.
I hope he picks up a losers medal this year
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Finally was great to see the comeback of Colm O'Neill, young fella has been through the mill and I had only spoken with him last year 3 weeks before his injury when he was full of enthusiasm for the coming year.
I hope he picks up a losers medal this year
I enjoyed the match last week, particularly the first fifteen minutes. I thought the pace of that period was exceptional, although I wouldn't have been overly thrilled by some of the defending on both sides during that period.
Costello had a great first half. Reddin was wasteful on occasion but scored a couple of fine points. Our full back line needs a lot of work, and looked much more effective when Johnny Cooper went back.
Giving McCarthy a run in midfield was long overdue. He played quite well and is definitely an option. Is Bastic injured or still in hibernation. Paul Flynn has to be given a run in midfield at some stage.
I haven't seen Kevin Mac work as hard throughout a match as he did last weekend. He wasn't brilliant by any stretch of the imagination but he worked his socks off.
Finally, I have to echo DoctaDee's comment about Colm O'Neill. Fine player. Delighted for him.0 -
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