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BonnieSituation

Bambi wrote: »

No choice but to start Rock with Cluxton back in spazz mode

Bastik coming on and then going off were the turning points for and against us I thought. He showed real leadership

Leadership is when you don't do something stupid like he did.

Until then he was brilliant. Some of the ball he took was sensational. But I'm pissed off he got carded for what he did.

Him and Fenton have to start. MDMA needs to be given a ticket for the Cusack.

CurryFlavoured

Bastick has to start, if he's not fit to play 70 then so be it but he'll be big for the first 50 at least.

Mayo's midfield aren't exceptional footballers but they are very strong in the air, we need Bastick to compete on the long kickouts as Mayo had our short ones sussed in the 2nd half.

DoctaDee

My team for Saturday - taking P Mc and DC are sidelined

Cluxton
Fitz ROC Cooper
McCarthy Small Jack Mc
COS Fenton
Flynn Alan B Kilkenny
Andrews MDM Bernard

I thought we were crying out for the direct ball into the big man inside, O'Gara has caused huge problems previously and there was encouragement 1st half with the diagonal even into BB and Rock - it's for that reason I wouldn't mind seeing MDM being put in the mix on the square

Kavrocks

Yeah as somebody not too sure of Bastic all season. I'd definitely put my hand up and say he deserves a start next weekend with Fenton.

Wacker The Attacker

Godge wrote: »

The O'Carroll incident was what set the whole game alight.

When something like that happens early in the game, a referee, if he doesn't see it (as McQuillan appears not to have seen it) should make it clear by consulting his linesmen that he isn't going to stand for any off-the-ball stuff. McQuillan did nothing about it and that set the tone for the game.

The second point about referees is that Dublin move the ball too fast for referees. Unlike teams like Mayo who move the ball up the field slowly, Dublin turn defence into attack too quickly for referees who are left 40 yards behind the game. Not their fault, they would have to be as fit as Flynn to keep up. As a result, Dublin don't get their fair share of frees as opposition defenders are free to make the cynical fouls away from the referee's eyes. None of this is seen on television but if you are in the right part of the ground it happens in front of your eyes.

McQuillan didn't injure anyone. He's blame free on that front. He may have handled it differently. That's true and everyone is entitled to an opinion on it. However, the blame for injuring an opponent lays with the player involved. Plain and simple.

Is "referees are not fit enough to keep up with the Dublin team" a valid excuse for poor performance. I don't believe so. I accept that referees are humans and mistakes will happen but McQuillan gets more than his fair share wrong. There are three officials. What was the linesman doing?

Dyr

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Leadership is when you don't do something stupid like he did.

Until then he was brilliant. Some of the ball he took was sensational. But I'm pissed off he got carded for what he did.

Him and Fenton have to start. MDMA needs to be given a ticket for the Cusack.

I thought it was nailed on hand trip at the time, but looking at it again on the sunday game its not clear at all that it was.

DoctaDee

Cormac Reilly gets to try and put manners on them next Saturday

Slattsy

Has Gavin spoke yet?

DoctaDee

DoctaDee wrote: »

Cormac Reilly gets to try and put manners on them next Saturday

Cormac Reilly, you can't be serious ?? After what he did last year for his Kerry buds and friend Donaghy. He is a shocking referee. McQuillan is much better than him. Mickey mouse would be better.

BonnieSituation

DoctaDee wrote: »

Cormac Reilly gets to try and put manners on them next Saturday

You have to be kidding?

Pierce_1991

GAA just tweeted the public allocation of tickets for the replay is sold out. Glad I got mine last night!

ProudDUB

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Mayo scored one point from play in 35 minutes.


Surely a similar logic applies?

Not really. They kept the score board ticking over from all the handy frees they were getting. And they had a player on the pitch who was well capable of kicking them. We didn't do that or have that, during our scoring drought.

I wouldn't have minded our lack of scoring in the last 15 minutes, if we pulled most of our players back, slowed down the game and protected the lead. I'm a fan of playing attacking football as much as the next person. But when you are within 10 minutes of an All Ireland final and you are down key players all over the place, common sense should prevail. The game kept on being played at a helter skelter pace and our lads should have shown a bit of cop on and calmed things down a bit. The hectic pace suited the team who was chasing the lead and they should have known that.

I was sorely disappointed by the lack of leadership shown yesterday, especially as the game wound down and things got ugly. We really need an outfield captain too, even if Cluxton is the titular captain. Connolly is the vice captain, but I don't think he has the temperament for it. He was the worst offender for mouthing off to the ref yesterday. We needed someone to get him to shut the eff up, especially as the ref was so quick to move the frees up for dissent.

Padkir

corny wrote: »

That's a cop out IMO. The nastiness and near constant dialogue with the referee betrays a serious lack of self control. I hope the players and Jim Gavin are honest with themselves. Lads should be focused on what they have to do and nothing should get in the way of that.

If I'm wrong and what went on yesterday was part of a plan to, dare I say it, be more Tyrone like, I'd despair.

Gavin seems to be focused on the free count against Dublin being something that is just against them and they can't control, whereas he should be acknowledging that it is coming from poor Dublin tackling.

Leaving aside the dirty and cynical fouls from both sides, Dublins tackling technique was poor and clumsy for the most part.

As a Mayo man, I hope he doesn't realise this and continues along the thinking that refs are just against them, because that way nothing will change.

corny

DoctaDee wrote: »

My team for Saturday - taking P Mc and DC are sidelined

Cluxton
Fitz ROC Cooper
McCarthy Small Jack Mc
COS Fenton
Flynn Alan B Kilkenny
Andrews MDM Bernard

I thought we were crying out for the direct ball into the big man inside, O'Gara has caused huge problems previously and there was encouragement 1st half with the diagonal even into BB and Rock - it's for that reason I wouldn't mind seeing MDM being put in the mix on the square

I get the imperative but just wouldn't be confident MD could do any damage though. He just doesn't have the mobility to break tackles these days. He wouldn't be any good at linking play from that position either.

O' Gara is a huge loss alright but we just don't have anyone to replace him. Have to accept that imo.

I'd go for

Cluxton
Fitz ROC Cooper
Mc Small Mc
COS Bastick
Flynn KK Fenton
Andrews BB Kev Mc

I'd be open to Alan Brogan playing for Fenton or Kev Mc.

Doubt Gavin will go for that though. O' Sullivan will start 6.

EnergyBlaster

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I expect McMahon to be banned, O'Connor and Cooper to be let off, and I'm not sure on Connolly. The red was deserved but the Keane rescind makes it messy.

We really need Rory if Philly's suspended, otherwise who marks AOS?

If Rory can't play I'd play Bastic on AOS at all times and have Cian O Sullivan in midfield where they can interchange between Full Back and Midfield.

DoctaDee

corny wrote: »

I get the imperative but just wouldn't be confident MD could do any damage though. He just doesn't have the mobility to break tackles these days. He wouldn't be any good at linking play from that position either.

O' Gara is a huge loss alright but we just don't have anyone to replace him. Have to accept that imo.

I'd go for

Cluxton
Fitz ROC Cooper
Mc Small Mc
COS Bastick
Flynn KK Fenton
Andrews BB Kev Mc

I'd be open to Alan Brogan playing for Fenton or Kev Mc.

Doubt Gavin will go for that though. O' Sullivan will start 6.

Yeah I know it's a big leap of faith - just think there's a nuisance value in having him there, if only to break ball - I'd be far from pushing him to start in any position tbh.

I'd agree with a post you had previously regards COS as sweeper - it's a relative dud and Small has played similar in a defence minded BK set up, I'd think there's more gained pushing COS into an attacking/running role

rebel girl 15

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You have to be kidding?

Turns out yes - Eddie Kinsella appointed

DoctaDee

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Turns out yes - Eddie Kinsella appointed

That's your fault :P ..

Stoner

My team for Saturday assuming no DC or McMahon, I'd drop Cooper.

Cluxton
O'Sullivan Roc Fitzsimons
McCarthy Small McCaffery
Bastic Fenton
Flynn MDMA Kilkenny
B Brogan Rock Andrews

A Brogan, McManamon, Brady Deveraux, Costello as subs.

We've seen Small play well jumping with tall men at BK before.

Slattsy

Seen a clip on Twitter of the AOS / McMahon incident. Its from the opposite angle that the replays/tv camera's had.
Quite clear AOS yanks Philly's jersey towards him and he reacts looking to the ref straight away - he knew what he was doing alright. Nothing to see here

Tweet is on Dublinmatchtracker.

CurryFlavoured

In terms of defence I'd do the exact same thing but swap ROC for Philly - Fitz on COC, ROC on Aidan, Cian as sweeper. The defence was very good bar the frees until we got cocky. We need to stop the stupid fouling unless its in a very dangerous area and cut out the mouthijg at the ref. Make Mayo work for their scores.

Midfield - swap Mick for Bastick, that's already a big improvement.

Not confident in the forward line, thought Mayo had us snuffed out in the 2nd half bar a strong 10 minute spell.

Blackjack

Kavrocks wrote: »

Pull the jersey is a noting offence.


Your point was O'Carroll shouldn't have been on the pitch when he got hit. Neither a noting or a yellow card would have taken him off the pitch so your point doesn't stand.

I was referring to my other point about Dublin indiscipline costing them the win but in hindsight idn't make that clear in my post.

Slattsy

I'd leave Philly on AOS, sure he owned him. AOS hasnt had a tougher game in his life.

In fairness to OS, he probably loved that battle and might relish coming up against Philly on Saturday, he reminds me of me, loves a good duel, except he's a lot uglier.

BonnieSituation

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Turns out yes - Eddie Kinsella appointed

Phew.

Wait... Dammit.

ProudDUB

And you have better hair Slats. I've never met you and I have NO idea what you look like, but I know for a FACT that you have better hair than Aidan O'Shea. Mind you, I have potted plants on my patio that have better hair than him, so it's probably not much of a compliment. :P

BKWDR

Slattsy wrote: »

Seen a clip on Twitter of the AOS / McMahon incident. Its from the opposite angle that the replays/tv camera's had.
Quite clear AOS yanks Philly's jersey towards him and he reacts looking to the ref straight away - he knew what he was doing alright. Nothing to see here

Tweet is on Dublinmatchtracker.

Philly be alright...

Check out @DubMatchTracker's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DubMatchTracker/status/638361943342993408?s=09

ProudDUB

It's up on the Indo's website too.

Philly owes Dave Whelan a pint !

Dublinproud

Stoner wrote: »

My team for Saturday assuming no DC or McMahon, I'd drop Cooper.

Cluxton
O'Sullivan Roc Fitzsimons
McCarthy Small McCaffery
Bastic Fenton
Flynn MDMA Kilkenny
B Brogan Rock Andrews

A Brogan, McManamon, Brady Deveraux, Costello as subs.

We've seen Small play well jumping with tall men at BK before.

Nice! I'd like to see Kilkenny at FF under a few high balls. Very very strong and can win his own ball.

Slattsy

ProudDUB wrote: »

And you have better hair Slats. I've never met you and I have NO idea what you look like, but I know for a FACT that you have better hair than Aidan O'Shea. Mind you, I have potted plants on my patio that have better hair than him, so it's probably not much of a compliment. :P

Flukey

ProudDUB wrote: »

And you have better hair Slats. I've never met you and I have NO idea what you look like, but I know for a FACT that you have better hair than Aidan O'Shea. Mind you, I have potted plants on my patio that have better hair than him, so it's probably not much of a compliment. :P

Well, if you ever do meet, don't touch that hair.

BKWDR

Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand

CurryFlavoured

BKWDR wrote: »

Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand

How would that exonerate Connolly?

JRant

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

How would that exonerate Connolly?

Doesn't look like it's a red card from seeing that footage.

Gael85

Dublin have used 26 players in 5 Championship game.Appearances+Subs for 2015 Championship Game

Brogan, Bernard 5
Cluxton, Stephen 5 (3 Clean Sheets. Conceded 3 Goals)
Connolly, Diarmuid 5
Cooper, Jonny 5
Fenton, Brian 5
Flynn, Paul 5
Kilkenny, Ciaran 5
McCaffrey, Jack 5
McMahon, Philip 5
Rock, Dean 5
Macauley, Michael Darragh 3+2
McManamon, Kevin 3+2
Andrews, Paddy 2+3
Small, John 2+3
Brogan, Alan 0+5
Fitzsimons, Michael 0+5
O’Carroll, Rory 4
O’Sullivan, Cian 4
McCarthy, James 3+1
Bastick, Denis 2+2
Brady, Tomas 0+3
Daly, Darren 1+1
Lowndes, Eric 0+2
Byrne, David (Olafs) 1
Costello, Cormac 0+1
O’Conghaile, Emmett 0+1


Dublin have scored 15-91 and conceded 3-60 in 5 Championship games. Scorers 2015 Championship Games

Brogan, Bernard 5-18
Rock, Dean 2-19
Connolly, Diarmuid 4-10
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-16
Flynn, Paul 2-4
Andrews, Paddy 0-6
McManamon, Kevin 1-3
Brogan, Alan 0-5
McCaffrey, Jack 1-1
McMahon, Philip 0-3
Fenton, Brian 0-2
Brady, Tomas 0-1
Lowndes, Eric 0-1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0-1
McCarthy, James 0-1


Dublin have used 35 players in 9 League games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 League Games
Cooper, Jonny 9
McManamon, Kevin 9
Rock, Dean 9
McCaffrey, Jack 8+1
Brady, Tomas 7+2
Bastick, Denis 8
Kilkenny, Ciaran 6+2
McMahon, Philip 6+2
O'Carroll, Rory 7
Brogan, Bernard 5+2
Small, John 5+2
Costello, Cormac 3+4
Fenton, Brian 3+4
Cluxton, Stephen 6 (4 Clean Sheets. Conceded 3 Goals)
Culligan, Eoin 6
McCarthy, James 3+3
O'Conghaile, Emmett 2+4
Connolly, Diarmuid 5
Flynn, Paul 4+1
Daly, Darren 3+2
O'Gara, Eoghan 3+2
O'Sullivan, Cian 3+2
Andrews, Paddy 1+4
Fitzsimons, Michael 2+2
Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 1+3
Currie, Sean 3 (2 Clean Sheets. Conceded 1 Goal)
Carthy, Shane 2+1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 2+1
Byrne, David (Olafs) 1+2
Devereux, Nicky 1+2
Lowndes, Eric 1+2
Reddin, Ciaran 0+2
Deegan, Michael 0+1
McHugh, Conor 0+1
Ryan, Philip 0+1

Dublin have scored 8-131 and conceded 4-101 in 9 League games. Scorers 2015 League Games
Rock, Dean 1-52
Brogan, Bernard 2-8
McCaffrey, Jack 1-7
Brady, Tomas 0-8
McManamon, Kevin 0-8
Connolly, Diarmuid 1-5
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-7
Fenton, Brian 1-3
Flynn, Paul 0-5
McMahon, Philip 0-5
Costello, Cormac 1-2
O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-4
O'Gara, Eoghan 0-4
Bastick, Denis 1-1
Andrews, Paddy 0-3
Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 0-2
Carthy, Shane 0-2
Cooper, Jonny 0-2
Deegan, Michael 0-1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0-1
Ryan, Philip 0-1

Dublin have used 34 players in 5 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 O'Byrne Cup
Brady, Tomas 5
Culligan, Eoin 5
Devereux, Nicky 5
O'Conghaile, Emmett 5
Rock, Dean 5
Small, John 5
Daly, Darren 5
Fitzsimons, Michael 4+1
Bastick, Denis 4
O'Gara, Eoghan 4
Hannigan, Graham 3+1
Ryan, Philip 2+2
Carthy, Shane 1+3
Scully, Niall 0+4
Costello, Cormac 3
McManamon, Kevin 3
Molloy, Lorcan 3 (1 Clean Sheet)
Collins, Niall 2+1
O'Carroll, Rory 2+1
Cooper, Jonny 1+2
Dawson, Harry 1+2
Lowndes, Stuart 0+3
Currie, Sean 2 (1 Clean Sheet)
McCaffrey, Jack 1+1
Dunleavy, Craig 1+1
Deegan, Michael 0+2
Kavanagh, Ian 0+2
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0+2
O'Higgins, Paddy 0+2
McCarrick, Alan 0+1
McGowan, Ross 0+1
McGuire, Conor 0+1
McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0+1
McMahon, Philip 0+1

Dublin have scored 3-80 and conceded 3-43 in 5 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2015 O'Byrne Cup Games
Rock, Dean 0-38
O'Gara, Eoghan 2-7
McManamon, Kevin 1-6
Brady, Tomas 0-7
O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-6
Carthy, Shane 0-5
Ryan, Philip 0-3
Costello, Cormac 0-2
Deegan, Michael 0-2
Cooper, Jonny 0-1
Culligan, Eoin 0-1
McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0-1
Scully, Niall 0-1

CurryFlavoured

JRant wrote: »

Doesn't look like it's a red card from seeing that footage.

Am I blind? Keegan blocks his run, Connolly pushes him, they push back and forth, they wrestle each other leading to the headlock and punch thrown. No punch = yellow each, Connolly couldn't keep his cool yet again though.

If he gets away with it it will be because Keane was lucky enough to get a rescind, nothing else.

JRant

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Am I blind? Keegan blocks his run, Connolly pushes him, they push back and forth, they wrestle each other leading to the headlock and punch thrown. No punch = yellow each, Connolly couldn't keep his cool yet again though.

If he gets away with it it will be because Keane was lucky enough to get a rescind, nothing else.

I must be seeing a different video to you because I can't see a punch been thrown.

keane2097

JRant wrote: »

I must be seeing a different video to you because I can't see a punch been thrown.

He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

ThunbergsAreGo

keane2097 wrote: »

He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

There is a clear dig. Think Coopers looks worse in slow motion tbh yellow was right.

Anyways no action taken let's stop all this ****e

ProudDUB

Philly and CO'C in the clear.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/mcmahon-in-the-clear-as-dubs-expected-to-appeal-connolly-red-card-31492196.html

JRant

keane2097 wrote: »

He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

I didn't get a good look at it while at the game and that clip doesn't show much other than some wrestling going on so I've no idea whether a dig was thrown or not.

Anyway it matters not as he'll probably get a ban off the back of it.

Slattsy

Keegan gets up and gets on with after that clip, which i admire tbh.
But that sly dog COC is giving it socks to the linesman, that pisses me off.

Stoner

keane2097 wrote:

He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

He does when they are on the ground Connelly is in a headlock at the time, it's not in that footage

kyote00

Looks like an elbow/arm throw backwards into DC face by the mayo player as DC passed by...(6 second mark - if you slow it down)
DC follows, reacts ....

BKWDR wrote: »

Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand

JRant

Stoner wrote: »

He does when they are on the ground Connelly is in a headlock at the time, it's not in that footage

Just seen a clip in the match thread that's al lot clearer. Looks like a punch alright but he could probably argue he was trying to pull his arm free and Keagan pulled it back in.

Slattsy

Just watching replay again tonight, kicked wifey up to bed. Some points now that im sober (ish).

How do we get BB in the game more next Saturday?
Rock was non-existent again, he's too easily marked out of the game.
Andrews needs to be targeted more often, his use of the ball good.
Really hope Alan B starts in place of Connolly, instead of Kev Mc. Much prefer Kev Mc coming on early in the second half.
Mayo were really negative weren't they actually, they had so many men behind the ball. Will they be like that again?
Bastic has to start, as i said before MDM is gone to pot.
Cluxton needs to get back to what he's good at, there's a chance that was Gavins tactics though and not necessarily Cluxton, was he under orders?
I dont like COC - sly fcker. In the refs ear all game.

Slattsy

McStay was brutal on TSG too.

ProudDUB

Slattsy wrote: »

Just watching replay again tonight, kicked wifey up to bed. Some points now that im sober (ish).

How do we get BB in the game more next Saturday?
Rock was non-existent again, he's too easily marked out of the game.
Andrews needs to be targeted more often, his use of the ball good.
Really hope Alan B starts in place of Connolly, instead of Kev Mc. Much prefer Kev Mc coming on early in the second half.
Mayo were really negative weren't they actually, they had so many men behind the ball. Will they be like that again?
Bastic has to start, as i said before MDM is gone to pot.
Cluxton needs to get back to what he's good at, there's a chance that was Gavins tactics though and not necessarily Cluxton, was he under orders?
I dont like COC - sly fcker. In the refs ear all game.

Someone get a nice cup of tea and some chocolate hobnobs up to that poor, long suffering creature Mrs Slats.

Mossy Quinn made some great points on Off the Ball tonight. Shockingly, just this once, David Brady and James Horan were not on tonight show, doing Party Political broadcasts on behalf of The Peoples Liberation Front of Belmullet. What a loss to democracy & humanity that was ! :rolleyes:

Anyway, he wasn't a big fan of the short kickouts and even worse, the number of times Cluxton got the ball back again and had to do the restart all over again. Said the short kick outs were understandable given our problems in midfield, but that the knock on effect was that they gave Mayo time to clog up the half back line, which cut off the supply line to the full forwards. Once in a while, Flynn sent a long, diagonal ball in that they could make hay from, but it didn't happen often enough. I agreed 100%. Our attacking formation seemed very slow and ponderous at times. There was none of the speed and support runs of the shoulder, than have been such a strong characteristic of our attacking play up to this.

I wouldn't start Kev Mc. He just runs into dead ends & traffic when he starts. For whatever reason, he is a game changer when he is a sub, in ways that he just isn't when he starts. Rock was worse than useless from play, but we need him for the frees. If had been left on, we would have won the game. Seeing Cluxton miss all three frees so badly was truly heart breaking.

Padkir

naughtb4 wrote: »

There is a clear dig. Think Coopers looks worse in slow motion tbh yellow was right.

Anyways no action taken let's stop all this ****e

I disagree. I said in one of the other threads that I think it was the worst action in the game. Absolute filth and he knew what he was doing, extended the leg in a stamping motion just as he was coming into contact with Diarmuid.

Red for me and (not sure the exact rules for the different types of red card offence) should get a couple of games banned.

Stoner

Padkir wrote:

I disagree. I said in one of the other threads that I think it was the worst action in the game. Absolute filth and he knew what he was doing.

You and I agree,
Dont think ROC would agree with us though since he only played three minutes.

Anyway, I've been instructed to keep this thread about positive stuff from now on.

I predict McMahon and AOS may fall in love over the next week, they have the awkward first shift out of the way now.

TCDStudent1

ProudDUB wrote: »

Someone get a nice cup of tea and some chocolate hobnobs up to that poor, long suffering creature Mrs Slats.

Mossy Quinn made some great points on Off the Ball tonight. Shockingly, just this once, David Brady and James Horan were not on tonight show, doing Party Political broadcasts on behalf of The Peoples Liberation Front of Belmullet. What a loss to democracy & humanity that was ! :rolleyes:

Anyway, he wasn't a big fan of the short kickouts and even worse, the number of times Cluxton got the ball back again and had to do the restart all over again. Said it was understandable given our problems in midfield, but that the knock on effect was that they gave Mayo time to clog up the half back line, which cut off the supply line to the full forwards. Once in a while, Flynn sent a long, diagonal ball in that they could make hay from, but it didn't happen often enough. I agreed 100%. Our attacking formation seemed very slow and ponderous at times. There was none of the speed and support runs of the shoulder, than have been such a strong characteristic of our attacking play up to this.

I wouldn't start Kev Mc. He just runs into dead ends & traffic when he starts. For whatever reason, he is a game changer when he is a sub in ways that he just isn't when he starts. Rock was worse than useless from play, but we need him for the frees. If had been left on, we would have won the game. Seeing Cluxton miss all three frees so badly was truly heart breaking.

His pace causes trouble against tired defenders. Similar to Shane Long in soccer - looks class when he comes on sometimes and often gets a goal.But doesnt look the same player when he starts.