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Guinness draught and guinness bottled completly different drinks

  • 03-01-2014 11:50PM
    #1
    shadowcomplex
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    why is this ?
    which is the real guiness?
    which do you prefer?


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  • #2
    Creamy Goodness
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    shadowcomplex wrote: »
    why is this ?
    One is pumped full of nitrogen the other is bottled.
    shadowcomplex wrote: »
    which is the real guiness?
    Define real guinness? They are produced by the same company so they both are.
    shadowcomplex wrote: »
    which do you prefer?

    Bottle, if I must.


  • #3
    Seaneh
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    Creamy Goodness wrote: »
    One is pumped full of nitrogen the other is bottled.

    They are actually totally different beers.

    The draught guinness recipe isn't very old at all.

    The Guinness Extra recipe is a lot older.

    Creamy Goodness wrote: »

    Bottle, if I must.

    Definitely the better of the two.


  • #4
    Busted Flat.
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    People are drinking Guinness sine 1798, and you are only questioning it now.


  • #5
    amdublin
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    Are cans different again?


  • #6
    irish_goat
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    shadowcomplex wrote: »
    why is this ?
    which is the real guiness?
    which do you prefer?

    They're different because they're marketed at different people. Most draught Guinness drinkers would baulk at the amount of flavour in a bottle of it. "Real" Guinness arguably doesn't exist anymore, the product has constantly evolved and changed since Arthur's time.
    amdublin wrote: »
    Are cans different again?

    Same, although it comes in Draught or Extra Stout.


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  • #7
    adamski8
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    They are actually totally different beers.

    The draught guinness recipe isn't very old at all.

    The Guinness Extra recipe is a lot older.




    Definitely the better of the two.
    do you have some evidence that they are different? All ive heard is that they are the same


  • #8
    irish_goat
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    adamski8 wrote: »
    do you have some evidence that they are different? All ive heard is that they are the same

    http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/FAQs.aspx#faq27
    Does GUINNESS® Draught use the same brewing recipe as Extra Stout?
    The recipes for GUINNESS® Draught and GUINNESS® Extra Stout are very similar in all aspects. The difference is that GUINNESS® Draught is dispensed using a mixture of Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide to produce the famous tight creamy head while GUINNESS® Extra Stout has more carbonation for increased refreshment.

    Typical of large companies, they don't give a straight answer. The difference between bottled and draught Guinness is massive compared to the difference between say O'Hara's draught and bottled stout.


  • #9
    Busted Flat.
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    adamski8 wrote: »
    do you have some evidence that they are different? All ive heard is that they are the same

    Eh, I can't say more, than what I could actually say about your post, in case of retribution from the mods. I would take from your post you have never tasted the devils buttermilk.


  • #10
    kaimera
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    irish_goat wrote: »
    http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/FAQs.aspx#faq27



    Typical of large companies, they don't give a straight answer. The difference between bottled and draught Guinness is massive compared to the difference between say O'Hara's draught and bottled stout.
    It's not even bottled; try the stout cans v the draught and the difference is the same.

    Widget in the draught isnt there for show!


  • #11
    irish_goat
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    The brother is in Panama at the minute and just sent me this photo. ABV: Nobody knows.

    1489071_10151879280597895_2081471714_n.jpg


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    BeerNut
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    irish_goat wrote: »
    ABV: Nobody knows.
    Exactly the same as here only they're more honest about it. When Guinness puts "4.3% ABV" on their labels, the beer inside can legally be anywhere between 3.8 and 4.8% ABV.

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  • #13
    ciaran76
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    Yesterday I did the connoisseur tour at Guinness.(Xmas present)
    Got to taste the 3 main Guinness's plus the lager.

    Only a small amount of people on the tour but people were shocked esp the older men when it was told draught Guinness only started in 1959.

    Liked how they told people to drink Guinness, breath in swallow hold breath exhale etc.


  • #14
    Busted Flat.
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    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Yesterday I did the connoisseur tour at Guinness.(Xmas present)
    Got to taste the 3 main Guinness's plus the lager.

    Only a small amount of people on the tour but people were shocked esp the older men when it was told draught Guinness only started in 1959.

    Liked how they told people to drink Guinness, breath in swallow hold breath exhale etc.

    Before 59 you had a pint of plain, it was your only man. The lung was brought in, in 59.


  • #15
    Technocentral
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    I'd rate them thus-ly:

    Guinness Draught (from tap): 3/10
    Guinness Extra Stout (Bottle): 5/10
    Guinness Foreign Extra: (Bottle is all it comes in): 9/10

    So the FES is the only essential version IMO.


  • #16
    drumswan
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    As I understand it, of the beers produced in James Gate:

    Guinness Draught comes in cans, kegs and bottles.
    Guinness Extra comes in cans and bottles (unpasteurised for the Irish market, pasteurised for other markets).
    Foreign Extra and Special Export come in bottle only.

    The wiki article on FES makes dizzying reading, there are gazillions of versions of it and it accounts for almost half of Guinness sales worldwide

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Foreign_Extra_Stout


  • #17
    oblivious
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    The draught guinness recipe isn't very old at all.

    1983 Park Royal london ;)


  • #18
    oblivious
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    drumswan wrote: »
    The wiki article on FES makes dizzying reading, there are gazillions of versions of it and it accounts for almost half of Guinness sales worldwide

    The roasted barley extract is produce in St James gate, that's blended with a locally produce pale ale or lager on site. In the case with some African production a sorghum based beer is used as its a local grain


  • #19
    the_syco
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    Technocentral wrote: »
    Guinness Foreign Extra: (Bottle is all it comes in): 9/10

    So the FES is the only essential version IMO.
    First brewed by Guinness in 1801, it was designed for export, and is more heavily hopped than Guinness Draught and Extra Stout, and typically has a higher alcohol content (at around 7.5% ABV), which gives it a more bitter taste.
    Uh. Interesting. Must get around to having a taste (regular Guinness tastes "burnt" to me).


  • #20
    oblivious
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    the_syco wrote: »
    Uh. Interesting. Must get around to having a taste (regular Guinness tastes "burnt" to me).

    The early 19th century Guinness would have contained a lager amount of brown malt (gives a coffee like flavour) and no roasted malted. In short it was a very different product than today product.


  • #21
    Losty Dublin
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    oblivious wrote: »
    The roasted barley extract is produce in St James gate, that's blended with a locally produce pale ale or lager on site. In the case with some African production a sorghum based beer is used as its a local grain

    I was of the impression that they were bringing in a lot more malted extract than they used to. Certainly, there are bugger all trucks of malt around the brewery and there is less of a pungent aroma around the area; I live locally to the brewery/chemical plant and many local have remarked about this.


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  • #22
    drumswan
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    Anyone seen the Ghanian/Kenyan/Nigerian brews as a grey export over here?


  • #23
    irish_goat
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    I was of the impression that they were bringing in a lot more malted extract than they used to. Certainly, there are bugger all trucks of malt around the brewery and there is less of a pungent aroma around the area; I live locally to the brewery/chemical plant and many local have remarked about this.

    They don't bring any extract into Dublin, it all goes out.


  • #24
    [-0-]
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    There is two n's in Guinness.


  • #25
    Ravelleman
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    I had a bottle of Belgian-made Guinness 'Original' in Spain the other day. It tasted rather like Guinness Extra, but rather bland in general.

    FES is a very nice beer and I will happily drink it on all occasions. It's typically quite cheap in Probus in relation to the other beers if you drink at the tables there.

    Do any of the bottled versions of Guinness contain nitro? Left Hand seem to have cracked that. Have Guinness?


  • #26
    drumswan
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    Ravelleman wrote: »
    Do any of the bottled versions of Guinness contain nitro? Left Hand seem to have cracked that. Have Guinness?
    http://www.guinness.com/en-row/thebeer-draught-bottle.html


  • #27
    Berteee
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    Is the Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide harmful to people?
    I know people have been drinking years so probably not but I didn't realise myself they were included which turns me off .


  • #28
    Pinch Flat
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    I love a bottle of Guinness off the shelf when down home (Waterford)


  • #29
    drumswan
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    BigJohn1963 wrote: »
    Is the Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide harmful to people?
    Not at the levels at which they are present in beer. Earths atmosphere contains plenty of both.

    Nitrogen is harmful to the beers aroma though, prevents it escaping from the liquid making beer seem bland.


  • #30
    ciaran76
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I love a bottle of Guinness off the shelf when down home (Waterford)

    Funnily enough while on the Guinness tour he mentioned that pockets of Waterford have higher sales of bottled Guinness than draught.
    Their only blip in the trend in Ireland.


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  • #31
    Lovely Bloke
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    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Funnily enough while on the Guinness tour he mentioned that pockets of Waterford have higher sales of bottled Guinness than draught.
    Their only blip in the trend in Ireland.

    Weird place is Waherfur, laarge bottles of Smithwick's a good seller there too.

    They also hold their pint bottles tucked under their armpit, with their half-pint glass in the other hand - standing at the bar. It's all very rural.


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