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Your reference about your gel consumption - I'm not sure if you are saying you should have consumed less on race day or if you should have consumed more in training. But, and keep in mind I know virtually nothing about running and also respect that what works for one might not work for another, my first thought when I read that you had only consumed 2 gels by the 20k mark was that you were already behind in nutrition. ??? Typically in a marathon I pop something 15 minutes before the gun, then take my first gel/blok at the 6ish mile mark, then something every 20 minutes to 3 miles after that. But no matter - you pushed on, and honestly a 3:44 finish time is not that bad considering all the stops and cramps and hating-life moments. Congrats to you for getting it done, no matter how it looked!
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Our daily diets and nightly sleep are also two things that play a huge role in how we perform in races, both of which are sometimes overlooked. But 3 gels for 3.5 to 4 hours of running would never even come close to sustaining me. And I'd also need to be consuming some electrolytes along the way too, especially if the conditions were warm and/or sunny. Again, what is good for the goose isn't always good for the gander...but 3 gels??? :eek: (;)) I know some here believe in training with restricted water and nutrition intake on long runs/cycles to condition the body, and I suspect there is merit to that, but I am also a firm believer that you have to train how you race as well. So you have to get out there from time to time and consume those calories like you would in a race so there are no surprises on the day. Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
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Our daily diets and nightly sleep are also two things that play a huge role in how we perform in races, both of which are sometimes overlooked. But 3 gels for 3.5 to 4 hours of running would never even come close to sustaining me. And I'd also need to be consuming some electrolytes along the way too, especially if the conditions were warm and/or sunny. Again, what is good for the goose isn't always good for the gander...but 3 gels??? :eek: (;)) I know some here believe in training with restricted water and nutrition intake on long runs/cycles to condition the body, and I suspect there is merit to that, but I am also a firm believer that you have to train how you race as well. So you have to get out there from time to time and consume those calories like you would in a race so there are no surprises on the day. Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth. Again, well done.
Plenty of food for thought there Dory - thanks. FWIW I was taking the salt capsules as well as the gels, so I don't suspect any problem with electrolytes.0 -
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Have to agree with Steroo for starters! It is a pretty cool looking medal.
I still haven't ventured over half marathon distance myself, and I've only done three half marathon races in total, so I'm intrigued by this fuelling discussion and by your plan. Especially as I was thinking of Rotterdam or Dublin 2017 for my first (and probably "only") marathon, now that I'm finally getting a bit of consistent mileage under my belt.
I never take on much fuel, or even drink much water, in races. I never have anything at all in training. I kind of (naively) assumed that my consumption needs would also be low level enough for a marathon.
I'd been meaning to ask you earlier about the pace you do your long runs at. Mainly because I found it pretty intimidating! Is that in the zone advocated by the 3 day plan or are you working from heart rate?0 -
Have to agree with Steroo for starters! It is a pretty cool looking medal.
I like the front of it alright. The back, where the time gets engraved, not so much.I still haven't ventured over half marathon distance myself, and I've only done three half marathon races in total, so I'm intrigued by this fuelling discussion and by your plan. Especially as I was thinking of Rotterdam or Dublin 2017 for my first (and probably "only") marathon, now that I'm finally getting a bit of consistent mileage under my belt.
I never take on much fuel, or even drink much water, in races. I never have anything at all in training. I kind of (naively) assumed that my consumption needs would also be low level enough for a marathon.
I'd been meaning to ask you earlier about the pace you do your long runs at. Mainly because I found it pretty intimidating! Is that in the zone advocated by the 3 day plan or are you working from heart rate?
I stuck rigidly to the paces on the plan and monitored hr only to verify I wasn't overcooking it. Because it's only 3 runs per week, they are more intense than a 5 or 6 day plan, where you'd typically run 30s/m slower for lsr than on race day. There were a good few tempo runs that are faster than race pace and a few at or around race pace too.0 -
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Haha - I meant to ask Coach what their benefit is (apart from hydration!), because she always has a reason for giving us drills, but I forgot. Any ideas?
Maybe because 4 x 50 fly would be super ugly and out of the question???
We used to do one arm fly a good bit back in the day, and I would imagine it's to keep things interesting, and to work on strength (core strength!!!) and timing. Just a guess, but ask your coach and report back here!!!0 -
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Not you too! :P I reckon you've been talking to K on that one.....The trail run sounds like fun C. Two weeks in a row too. Next marathon could be on trails maybe?
Thanks!Well done on the swimming, it must be nice to see the work paying off. It's gratifying alright, because being a lot further back is still fresh in my mind. 0 -
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