WWE Network Thread

Itssoeasy

Btw the more ECW super-shows will be added to the network tomorrow. ECW is the one part of the network where I’ve not really dived into because of what I’ve seen in terms of edits because of music issues.

cian68

Second episode of Ruthless Aggression is boring as f*ck besides the reveal that Stephanie had seemingly never heard of freestyle rap

Itssoeasy

I watched the first episode of the ruthless aggression documentary series and I'm sure we all know that WWE at times likes to sugarcoat or omit things from the past and I've just accepted it because if I smell bull**** I'll go and find what really happened if I don't already know the real backstory.

With that being said WWE have outdone themselves big time in regards to their recent history. The name change from WWF to WWE happened in 2002 because of the panda crowd sueing the world wrestling federation and the WWF changed their name to WWE. That's well documented and known about. Until now, were it appears that the lawsuit wasn't the reason at all. It's brassneckness to a massive scale.

Blue_Dabadee

It is funny to watch Cena WM 23 entrance again now that he is apart of F&F franchise.

Monokne

Schedule for Ruthless Aggression:

OneEightSeven

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Btw the more ECW super-shows will be added to the network tomorrow. ECW is the one part of the network where I’ve not really dived into because of what I’ve seen in terms of edits because of music issues.

For the past 14 months, a couple of pirates have been downloading shows from the Network and re-dubbing them with audio from VHS rips. They also added footage that originally aired but was cut out for the Network. I haven't watched any but I can see the quality is only 720p with a bitrate of 3000 - 3500kbps, which is lower than the 1080p with a bitrate of 7808kbps the Network currently offers.

During last summer I watched a bunch of shows from 1993 and they were pretty good, but I stopped when I noticed every supercard from that year was missing. There's so much stuff missing, you can't watch any promotion in chronological order.

PTH2009

Quite enjoying the ruthless aggression series but as someone else noticed here 'a few tall tales were said' esp with the name change

Not sure if true but Cena almost getting released before he picked up the rapping gimmick. That was one hell of a development class back then Brock, orton, cena, batista etc. Odd seeing Cena with someone like Rico

I wonder will we eventually get 'the reality era' and 'the pg era' series

Itssoeasy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Quite enjoying the ruthless aggression series but as someone else noticed here 'a few tall tales were said' esp with the name change

Not sure if true but Cena almost getting released before he picked up the rapping gimmick. That was one hell of a development class back then Brock, orton, cena, batista etc. Odd seeing Cena with someone like Rico

I wonder will we eventually get 'the reality era' and 'the pg era' series

Well I've always heard that cena was in trouble before he went with the rap gimmick.

Pentecost

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well I've always heard that cena was in trouble before he went with the rap gimmick.

Not that surprising that he'd be struggling without a defined gimmick. Nobody ever said he was a ring technician.

Monokne

PTH2009 wrote: »

Quite enjoying the ruthless aggression series but as someone else noticed here 'a few tall tales were said' esp with the name change

Not sure if true but Cena almost getting released before he picked up the rapping gimmick. That was one hell of a development class back then Brock, orton, cena, batista etc. Odd seeing Cena with someone like Rico

I wonder will we eventually get 'the reality era' and 'the pg era' series

That was in the sheets at the time. Have always heard it was true. Never heard Cena acknowledge he knew it but then I suppose he must have.

Itssoeasy

Pentecost wrote: »

Not that surprising that he'd be struggling without a defined gimmick. Nobody ever said he was a ring technician.

He was poor in the ring and never exactly seemed to expand his in ring ability. I mean it worked for hogan before him although as much I hate to say it hogan used a limited move set but he was capable of much more as shown by Japanese footage of him. Cena isn't a good wrestler and I make a distinction between that and Bret hart or ric flair who had certain signature moves and did them every match but they were able to adapt if needed.

Monokne

Itssoeasy wrote: »

He was poor in the ring and never exactly seemed to expand his in ring ability. I mean it worked for hogan before him although as much I hate to say it hogan used a limited move set but he was capable of much more as shown by Japanese footage of him. Cena isn't a good wrestler and I make a distinction between that and Bret hart or ric flair who had certain signature moves and did them every match but they were able to adapt if needed.

This is just wrong.

Without blinking I can think of 4*+ matches John Cena had with Edge, Orton, Batista, Umaga, Angle, Rollins, Michaels, Lashley, Punk, JBL, Rock, Owens, Styles - a raft of different opponents with different capabilities and different styles. Indeed you could argue his legacy was sealed with his US title open challenge at the back end of his career where he had really good matches with young guys every week on Raw.

He was never graceful nor could he throw a good punch but to say he was poor in the ring is absurd.

Did he get the people into his matches? Yeah he did. Did he take the audience on a journey? Yeah he did.

sky88

Cena was never smooth in the ring but my god he had some classics as mon said

Insect Overlord

Monokne wrote: »

Indeed you could argue his legacy was sealed with his US title open challenge at the back end of his career where he had really good matches with young guys every week on Raw.

He was never graceful nor could he throw a good punch but to say he was poor in the ring is absurd.

The US Title run, and the series with Kevin Owens, were real quality. He was very meta at that stage as well, and throwing stuff into his promos to acknowledge/wind up Internet fans. I think we all remember his little "heel turn" dance.

Itssoeasy

Monokne wrote: »

This is just wrong.

Without blinking I can think of 4*+ matches John Cena had with Edge, Orton, Batista, Umaga, Angle, Rollins, Michaels, Lashley, Punk, JBL, Rock, Owens, Styles - a raft of different opponents with different capabilities and different styles. Indeed you could argue his legacy was sealed with his US title open challenge at the back end of his career where he had really good matches with young guys every week on Raw.

He was never graceful nor could he throw a good punch but to say he was poor in the ring is absurd.

Did he get the people into his matches? Yeah he did. Did he take the audience on a journey? Yeah he did.

Fair enough maybe saying he was poor in the ring wasn't correct or fair but he was limited in the ring. I don't think you or I are calling him the Second coming of jack Brisco are I ? The list of names he had four star matches with are some of the best to every do it so that does help a bit.

Monokne

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Fair enough maybe saying he was poor in the ring wasn't correct or fair but he was limited in the ring. I don't think you or I are calling him the Second coming of jack Brisco are I ? The list of names he had four star matches with are some of the best to every do it so that does help a bit.

Lashley? Umaga? JBL?

I deliberately listed those guys as he had the best matches of their careers, and none of them were known for 4* matches. Even Batista needed the right opponent.

There are two separate conversations here.

Was John Cena Bret Hart-like in his execution? Absolutely not.

Did Johns matches generally take the audience up & down and emotionally engage them? Resoundingly yes.

My own taste is, ironically given the conversation, for guys like Bret, Angle, or Benoit - tight, snug, detailed wrestling that feels closer to reality than most styles. However I can't diminish what John did just because it's not my ideal style. He was a mostly brilliant performer on the biggest stage.

Itssoeasy

Lookit I try to be positive on this forum and I wasn't trying to cause annoyance. Saying that cena was poor clearly wasn't the right way to describe him but as others have said he won't be remembered as the most graceful wrestler ever

So again all I'm trying to do is help this forum be a good one. Obviously we have different opinions of wrestling and we have different eras we like and don't like which is how things should be.

Monokne

Of course. I am emphasising my point on the topic, I've nothing against you brother nor was/am I annoyed.

The White Wolf

I'm trying to skip to a certain point watching NXT Portland but it's not allowing me. Am I missing something here????

PTH2009

Enjoyed this week's episode of ruthless aggression

Evolution was a fantastic stable, I always thought it was Jindrak that was replaced by Batista before the stable began and not in in middle of there run ??. Jindrak ****ed it up himself

TimesArrow

Enjoyed the latest Ruthless Aggression episode which focused on Lesnar.. his very early run which peaked at SS 02, was absolutely outstanding.. many people are jaded of him nowadays, but there really has been no one like him.. speed, power and I’d forgotten what an absolute ( sorry) beast he was in the early days

Blue_Dabadee

FCW documentary was fantastic, it was really insightful with what goes on behind the scenes of FCW for a developmental system.

The Ayatolla

Why does the app make it so hard to see the schedule of what's on next?

Just spent ten mins trying to find out when the KO show starts etc. Very annoying.

Itssoeasy

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Why does the app make it so hard to see the schedule of what's on next?

Just spent ten mins trying to find out when the KO show starts etc. Very annoying.

The KO show and PPV are LITERALLY on the first page you see when you open the wwe Network app.

Monokne

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The KO show and PPV are LITERALLY on the first page you see when you open the wwe Network app.

I have had the same problem as this before where I've to close and reopen the app multiple times for the latest content to show.

The Ayatolla

Monokne wrote: »

I have had the same problem as this before where I've to close and reopen the app multiple times for the latest content to show.

Yep same here. Using an LG TV (2019) with the app installed and iOS. Pain in the arse.

SureYWouldntYa

New PS4 app is dogsh1te, I dunno how new it is because the month since the Rumble was my first sub since Mania and it was even free with a new Revolut card, but my god it was awful and i instead torrented the ruthless aggression eps I wanted to see

Blue_Dabadee

I can relate to Becky since I could only watch Smackdown on Sky One since I didn't have Sky Sports.

It has been hard not to show Chris Benoit at all throughout this series since he was a big part of that era.

PTH2009

The Ruthless Aggression series is amazing and brings back a lot of memories of the 2000s . Sky One Saturday mornings for SD with the taped Raw for Tuesdays after school

The first few drafts were great and you really got invested in them back then

Itssoeasy

Given that we are on a lockdown but not a Spain and Italy lockdown the old WWE network may come into its own.

Anyway wrestlemania 29 is on the live channel today at 4:30pm if you need to pass a few hours.

bot43

If you cancel the network today with, say, 15 days left on your sub, can you continue to log in and watch?

Or does logging in again undo your cancellation request ??

SureYWouldntYa

bot43 wrote: »

If you cancel the network today with, say, 15 days left on your sub, can you continue to log in and watch?

Or does logging in again undo your cancellation request ??

You have it up to the day you paid for, cancel away and you’ll still have it for 15 days

OneEightSeven

There was no such thing as the ruthless aggression era and it doesn't deserve to be validated by capitalising the phrase. It's just some inane catchphrase McMahon came out with to make the post-Attitude Era seem edgy after ratings plummetted over the past year. Every other era had some meaning behind it: the Golden Generation was the decade of Hogan and Savage and wrestling becoming pop culture; the New Generation was McMahon deeming Hogan and Savage too old and wanted to create new stars in Bret Hart, HBK, Razor and Nash; the Attitude Era was a raunchy and vulgar TV14 product with monstrous TV ratings; for the so-called ruthless aggression era, all we got was John Cena uttering the words "ruthless aggression" in response to Kurt Angle's challenge.

Apart from a few episodes during the Invasion angle, I stopped watching wrestling a couple of weeks after Wrestlemania 2001 because it was shíte, but I've since gone back and watched every Raw from 2001 to 2003 and I didn't see any evidence of ruthless aggression. With the declining in TV ratings, the mundane storylines and declining PPV buys, it should be called the Comedown Era instead because the business just returned back to normality.

El Gato De Negocios

My resounding memory of the term ruthless aggression was either Rock or Jericho referring to it as toothless aggression when insulting Benoit.

Monokne

OneEightSeven wrote: »

There was no such thing as the ruthless aggression era and it doesn't deserve to be validated by capitalising the phrase. It's just some inane catchphrase McMahon came out with to make the post-Attitude Era seem edgy after ratings plummetted over the past year. Every other era had some meaning behind it: the Golden Generation was the decade of Hogan and Savage and wrestling becoming pop culture; the New Generation was McMahon deeming Hogan and Savage too old and wanted to create new stars in Bret Hart, HBK, Razor and Nash; the Attitude Era was a raunchy and vulgar TV14 product with monstrous TV ratings; for the so-called ruthless aggression era, all we got was John Cena uttering the words "ruthless aggression" in response to Kurt Angle's challenge.

Apart from a few episodes during the Invasion angle, I stopped watching wrestling a couple of weeks after Wrestlemania 2001 because it was shíte, but I've since gone back and watched every Raw from 2001 to 2003 and I didn't see any evidence of ruthless aggression. With the declining in TV ratings, the mundane storylines and declining PPV buys, it should be called the Comedown Era instead because the business just returned back to normality.

Ruthless aggression was no more or less an inane catchphrase than Attitude. How is this not immediately clear to you!? They are both just two completely arbitrary terms Vince put on stretches of the company's history.

Itssoeasy

26 years ago today wrestlemania X happened from MSG. This event holds a very special place in my wrestling fandom as it is the very first PPV I recorded myself. I remember watching that tape like it was going out of fashion. It had two amazing five star matches in the Owen vs Bret match and the ladder match. I think I'll watch it tonight.

Monokne

Itssoeasy wrote: »

26 years ago today wrestlemania X happened from MSG. This event holds a very special place in my wrestling fandom as it is the very first PPV I recorded myself. I remember watching that tape like it was going out of fashion. It had two amazing five star matches in the Owen vs Bret match and the ladder match. I think I'll watch it tonight.

Great show. Well, two great matches anyway. The closing scene of Bret up on everyones shoulders while Owen watches on from the entrance is brilliant.

I watched it a couple months ago. I thought Owen & Bret aged much better then Shawn & Razor. Just a classic wrestling battle. Be sure to post your thoughts.

Itssoeasy

Monokne wrote: »

Great show. Well, two great matches anyway. The closing scene of Bret up on everyones shoulders while Owen watches on from the entrance is brilliant.

I watched it a couple months ago. I thought Owen & Bret aged much better then Shawn & Razor. Just a classic wrestling battle. Be sure to post your thoughts.

I will but from memory the macho man match was a good idea but suffered from the stipulation. The 60 second time between falls was bad. Well the ladder match hasn't aged well probably because of subsequent ladder matches.

The Owen vs Bret match has aged well monokne because good solid wrestling isn't timeless.

Lord TSC

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

Itssoeasy

Lord TSC wrote: »

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

Haha so is NFL gamepass. I also see that the talks between WWE and espn on putting the ppvs on espn have stopped. Covid-19 will give vince the excuse to backtrack. The WWE network is the premier wrestling steaming service around and streaming services above anything should see a rise.

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

Link (to the offer/Reddit thread)? I cancelled the network last summer when they did that awful update but wouldn't mind it for free atm.

thenightman

Deleted User wrote: »

Link (to the offer/Reddit thread)? I cancelled the network last summer when they did that awful update but wouldn't mind it for free atm.

https://www.cricketsweepstakes.com/wwenetwork


Just google a 10 digit US number for that requirement. I used Mickie D's in Times Square.

cripesonfriday

Lord TSC wrote: »

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

Worked for me. I used a different email address than I have before but the same PayPal. Thanks a lot.

Wuff Wuff

Lord TSC wrote: »

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

It's worked for me on a lapsed account, doesn't need to be a brand new account

Nice one for the tip Lord

Monokne

Will cancel and take advantage of that.

ThePott

Yeah did this after seeing it on Reddit no problems just put in a 10 digit number that doesn't begin with a 0.

Itssoeasy

I started watching mania X last night and watched the opening match twice and then got the ladder match and have to watch the rest. Also the first title match between Luger and yoko isn't aging that good. Nerve hold of doom.

Monokne

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I started watching mania X last night and watched the opening match twice and then got the ladder match and have to watch the rest. Also the first title match between Luger and yoko isn't aging that good. Nerve hold of doom.

Yoko with the two fingers on Luger's shoulder while he sits there and catches his breath.

Always thought it odd that match went like 15 minutes while the main event only had 10.

eh i dunno

Lord TSC wrote: »

Network is currently free for three months to non-subscribers.

Apparently. Not tested myself, just seen it on Reddit.

Cheers tsc. Signed up but dunno if I did it right but at this stage of boredom I don't mind paying for it

Itssoeasy

I've just seen a rivalries section and the first match is the iron match between kurt angle and brock lesnar. I haven't seen that since the network launched when I watched it. Okay that's a match in the watchlist.