LEAP CARD - Updated Summary of Cards/Functionality Available - January 2014

LXFlyer

I've updated the earlier thread as below for additional functionality and more period passes available.


LEAP CARD – Cards Available:

• Adult unpersonalised
• Adult personalised
• Child leap card (Under 12)
• Child leap card (12-15) - Personalised
• Student travelcard - Personalised

LEAP CARD – Summary of Ticket Products Available:


PAY-AS-YOU GO E-PURSE:

· Dublin Bus (All services) - Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies – Tag on only - May require to interact with driver

· Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone only) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies – Tag on and off

· Bus Eireann (limited to Greater Dublin Area –excepting 100X and 101) – Tag on only via driver

· LUAS (All services) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies – Tag on and off

· Matthews Coaches (Bettystown-Laytown-Dublin service) – Tag on only via driver

· Wexford Bus (Wexford-Dublin-Dublin Airport service only) – Tag on only via driver

· Swords Express (All services) – Tag on only via driver



PERIOD PASSES:

Dublin Bus:

Rambler 5 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 5 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 1 Day Family - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Annual Bus Only Travelwide Ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side


Irish Rail:

Annual Rail Only (Short Hop Zone) - Tag on/tag off


Bus Eireann:

Daily (24 hours) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver

Weekly (7 day) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver


LUAS:

Annual LUAS all zone tickets - Tag on/tag off

Monthly LUAS all zone tickets - Tag on/tag off


Wexford Bus:

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Adult - Tag on only via driver

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Student - Tag on only via driver


Swords Express:

10 Journey Ticket - Tag on only via driver


Multi-Operator:

Bus/Rail:

Annual Dublin Bus/Irish Rail Short Hop ticket (Tag on only on Dublin Bus, tag on/tag off on Irish Rail)

bikeman1

Many Thanks LX.

Is there capping for the same point to point journey's on Irish Rail.

Example a Raheny - Pearse weekly or monthly ticket allows you unlimited travel between those stations for the period of validity. Does the leap card know to cap at the weekly or monthly max? Which of course would be lower than the short hop zone.

bk

Excellent post, according to the following, multi operator (DB, Dart, Luas, Commuter Rail) daily and weekly capping is now available:

https://www.leapcard.ie/en/PageSetting/ContentViewer.aspx?Val=T%2fHcRN0lgkhyO2TJbCpdXbpkQ6D59bgR9MwK7i5q52U2rfQVZcNw%2bAb2e13wL37V62K83icu4wP%2fKxugVQHB8%2ftfq8sS44StQmsdGiKYqRWG4lf%2bgc7EYaq1dJckxC1SOs8Oi5WHyaggCxyPdGXNqCkz6KJl%2fC2vRG9pBSEkDcc%3d

€10 for a day, €40 for a week.

GLaDOS

Still no auto top up

LXFlyer

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Still no auto top up

Due imminently I believe.

LXFlyer

bikeman1 wrote: »

Many Thanks LX.

Is there capping for the same point to point journey's on Irish Rail.

Example a Raheny - Pearse weekly or monthly ticket allows you unlimited travel between those stations for the period of validity. Does the leap card know to cap at the weekly or monthly max? Which of course would be lower than the short hop zone.

The only capping is for the short hop zone as a whole.

Point to point unlimited travel tickets are not on LEAP.

bikeman1

Not sure if it is in place or not.

An example, I live in Raheny and work in town and travel to / from work everyday Mon-Fri. Also make a trip in and out once at the weekend. Also hop off at the gym in Clontarf 2 times a week on the way home, which requires to be dinged in and out.

Currently paying cash it costs €23.70 per week and I can make unlimited journeys.

Does leap cap at this level or not? Would leap keep charging the €2 leap fare (Raheny-Pearse) only capping at €10 per day and €40 per week?

LXFlyer

There is only one cap on Irish Rail using LEAP.

That is - 1 day: €9.20 and Weekly: €35.50 which covers the entire Short Hop zone.

Point-to-point capping is NOT available, nor are point-to-point unlimited travel tickets.

Fred Swanson

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LXFlyer

Only the products listed above.

1 day rambler is covered by the Dublin Bus daily cap of €6.90.

bikeman1

Ah that would explain where the money went from on my leap card. I thought it would cap.

Back to using cash on my busy weeks again. Got to love leap! Keeping people on cash / paper tickets!

Why the booking offices don't have a leap reader / top up machine like in shops is beyond me. Also the facility to load on such tickets to the leap card.

Victor

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Still no auto top up

I had an account 'event' today, so I'm awaiting an update.

bikeman1 wrote: »

Back to using cash on my busy weeks again. Got to love leap! Keeping people on cash / paper tickets!

Surely you should be buying a weekly / monthly ticket and should only need 'cash' once a week / month?

Why the booking offices don't have a leap reader / top up machine like in shops is beyond me.

I imagine they want to move as many people to self-service as possible.

Also the facility to load on such tickets to the leap card.

Such tickets may come, but there are other things happening also.

bg07

I am one of the trial auto topup users. Got an email today from leap regarding the transfer to SEPA. Maybe issues with that were delaying the full launch of auto top up. Full transfer of all EU banking to SEPA only is Feb 1st

Carawaystick

Leaps website days they only do a subset of the companies leap works on
Would it be too hard to keep this up to date?

Leap only serve children over 3
Dublin bus only allow one child per adult to travel free, so parents of triplets, twins or Irish twins with rambler or t90 tickets are getting screwed

n97 mini

Will there ever be T90 functionality? Using two buses to do even a relatively short journey can be very expensive otherwise.

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

Will there ever be T90 functionality? Using two buses to do even a relatively short journey can be very expensive otherwise.

The proposal is for transfer fares, e.g. if you use a second vehicle / mode within X minutes, you would get a steep discount on the second fare.

n97 mini

A "second vehicle mode" is what exactly?

LXFlyer

After taking one trip, then taking another, be either of them bus, rail, or LUAS.

n97 mini

The discount would want to be 100% where the first fare is €2.50 already!

lucernarian

lxflyer wrote: »

Only the products listed above.

1 day rambler is covered by the Dublin Bus daily cap of €6.90.

Except for the Airlink usage.

Fred Swanson

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AngryLips

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Except for the Airlink usage.

Bizarre really, given that 1 Day Rambler tickets are valid on Airlink...

LXFlyer

I'm no more enthusiastic about this restriction than anyone, but the issue unfortunately is that Airlink is a commercial service, and Dublin Bus made a commercial decision to allow rambler ticket holders to use it.

LEAP is an NTA publicly funded product and as such the cap does not cover commercial services, but only PSO services.

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

A "second vehicle mode" is what exactly?

Typo! I meant "second vehicle / mode".

carlmango11

Limiting the capping to Mon-Sun is stupid. So if you make €20 worth of journeys from Friday to Sunday the slate is wiped clean and if you want the cap you've to make another ~€30 worth...?

Also ridiculous that there's no straightforward T90 as someone else said. Dublin transport is just so fragmented. Passengers have to think in transport modes and are penalised for switching to a different line that happens to be run by a different company - even though most are owned by the same parent company.

You can cross the city on a bus cheaper than taking a bus around the corner and hoping on a tram for a few minutes.

Passengers should be able to just think about the journey they need to make, perhaps in distance/zones and buy one ticket, not having to worry about switching from bus/dart/luas.

bikeman1

I have loaded 5 day ramblers for €25 onto my leap card. When I am flying out of Dublin Airport I regularly use the bus and catch the Airlink from Bus Aras. The rambler ticket on the leap card has worked fine each time.

Most recent was on 27/12. The loading on of the 5 rambler tickets working out at €5 per day is great value. I used an expresso into work, two other buses during the day and then the Airlink all for €5 on one of the days!

Victor

carlmango11 wrote: »

Limiting the capping to Mon-Sun is stupid. So if you make €20 worth of journeys from Friday to Sunday the slate is wiped clean and if you want the cap you've to make another ~€30 worth...?

Running the weekly cap for every day of the week was looked at, but it was concluded to be too messy.

Fred Swanson

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syklops

bikeman1 wrote: »

I have loaded 5 day ramblers for €25 onto my leap card. When I am flying out of Dublin Airport I regularly use the bus and catch the Airlink from Bus Aras. The rambler ticket on the leap card has worked fine each time.

Most recent was on 27/12. The loading on of the 5 rambler tickets working out at €5 per day is great value. I used an expresso into work, two other buses during the day and then the Airlink all for €5 on one of the days!

Does the rambler work across DB and Luas?

Currently I get a bus into town (2.50) and then a luas, (another ~2), which is 4.50 and the same home 9 euros, over 5 days is 45 euros. If I could instead get 5 ramblers it would save me 20 euro a week

Fred Swanson

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syklops

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Flip sake.

Thanks.

I'd already spent the 20 euro saving in my head.

bikeman1

Fred Swanson wrote: »

That is good news.

How long are the ramblers valid for? 1 year?

I remember it said on the receipt how long for and it was a long time, more than a year. Definitely worth having them loaded on your leap card if you plan a day out by bus.

As usual both you and the shop assistant have to have a masters degree in CIE ticketing to know it exists and find it on the machine!!

Geog1234

An useful list.

Regarding Wexford Bus to my knowledge it is not available on all services - only the Wexford-Dublin-Dublin Airport route 740 (all journeys each way).

I understand that it is hoped to roll it out to the Wexford Town service. Don't know about the other local routes (Wexford-Kilmore Quay; Wexford-Rosslare Strand; Wexford-Castlebridge).

Victor

syklops wrote: »

Does the rambler work across DB and Luas?

Currently I get a bus into town (2.50) and then a luas, (another ~2), which is 4.50 and the same home 9 euros, over 5 days is 45 euros. If I could instead get 5 ramblers it would save me 20 euro a week

Consider a Combi ticket from Luas: http://www.luas.ie/combi-tickets.html €36 per week. this would mean any journeys at the week end would be included.

Alternatively, use buses instead of Luas, but that might mean a longer journey time. http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

AngryLips

Quick question about the 5 day rambler ticket: if you buy the 5 day rambler does it need to be used on 5 consecutive days? And how do you activate it? Do you tell the driver or does it automatically come off when you tap the right-hand validator? I'm just curious in the case where you board the Airlink how it knows to deduct one of the 5 day rambler tickets as oppose to the full Airlink fare...

LXFlyer

The 5 day and 30 day Dublin Bus rambler tickets are non-consecutive.

You activate it using the reader on the righthand side and it will deduct one day.

The card works on a hierarchical basis - if there is a multi-day product loaded onto it that is appropriate for that particular mode of transport, it will use that first before dipping into the epurse.

bikeman1

Hi,

After you have loaded your 5 x 1 day ramblers you can use them on non consecutive days over the period they are valid. I'm not sure how exactly long they last for, but they are similar to the old paper ones lasting longer than a year.

To use them, when you board the bus, be it Airlink or not, simply present your leap card onto the reader on the right and it deducts one day off your 5 days on the first bus of that day.

Quite handy to know, but Dublin Bus won't let you know you can do it!

LXFlyer

syklops wrote: »

Does the rambler work across DB and Luas?

Currently I get a bus into town (2.50) and then a luas, (another ~2), which is 4.50 and the same home 9 euros, over 5 days is 45 euros. If I could instead get 5 ramblers it would save me 20 euro a week

syklops wrote: »

Flip sake.

Thanks.

I'd already spent the 20 euro saving in my head.

You ought to be using a Bus/LUAS period pass, of which there are several available (weekly, monthly and annual). These will all save you money.

Prices are:
Weekly - €36
Monthly - €145 (Also available via www.taxsaver.ie)
Annual - €1,450 (Also available via www.taxsaver.ie)

LXFlyer

Rambler tickets on LEAP are valid for up to two years, meaning they are ideal for occasional users.

Mrs OBumble

Carawaystick wrote: »

Dublin bus only allow one child per adult to travel free, so parents of triplets, twins or Irish twins with rambler or t90 tickets are getting screwed

Err, what exactly is an "Irish twin" as opposed to a regular one?

syklops

Victor wrote: »

Consider a Combi ticket from Luas: http://www.luas.ie/combi-tickets.html €36 per week. this would mean any journeys at the week end would be included.

"Bus+Luas tickets must be validated in a bus before travelling on Luas. - See more at: http://www.luas.ie/combi-tickets.html#sthash.4Fl9qTMY.dpuf"

Which I could do in the morning, because I get bus then luas. But I couldn't do that in the evening, because it goes Luas then Bus. Unless I jump on a bus and then jump off again.

Alternatively, use buses instead of Luas, but that might mean a longer journey time. http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

I already spend near enough 90 minutes per journey. Making the journey even longer to save a few quid is a big no no.


I thought the Leap was meant to fix stuff like this?

lxflyer wrote: »

You ought to be using a Bus/LUAS period pass, of which there are several available (weekly, monthly and annual). These will all save you money.

Prices are:
Weekly - €36
Monthly - €145 (Also available via www.taxsaver.ie)
Annual - €1,450 (Also available via www.taxsaver.ie)

Thanks for that information. That looks like the way to go. Assuming there isn't anything in the fine print. Not valid on tuesday and every third friday.

TheBandicoot

syklops wrote: »

"Bus+Luas tickets must be validated in a bus before travelling on Luas. - See more at: http://www.luas.ie/combi-tickets.html#sthash.4Fl9qTMY.dpuf"

Which I could do in the morning, because I get bus then luas. But I couldn't do that in the evening, because it goes Luas then Bus. Unless I jump on a bus and then jump off again.

I think that only applies to activating the ticket the first time, you don't need to validate on a bus every time before using Luas.
I.e. after you buy the ticket the first journey you make needs to be on a bus and not a Luas, but after that it doesn't matter.

It is far from ideal though.

LXFlyer

LUAS and other mode combined period passes are the next to migrate to LEAP I believe, so the problem mentioned above will be eradicated.

Dravokivich

TheBandicoot wrote: »

I think that only applies to activating the ticket the first time, you don't need to validate on a bus every time before using Luas.
I.e. after you buy the ticket the first journey you make needs to be on a bus and not a Luas, but after that it doesn't matter.

It is far from ideal though.

Yeah, that's what he's saying.

LXFlyer

syklops wrote: »

"Bus+Luas tickets must be validated in a bus before travelling on Luas. - See more at: http://www.luas.ie/combi-tickets.html#sthash.4Fl9qTMY.dpuf"

Which I could do in the morning, because I get bus then luas. But I couldn't do that in the evening, because it goes Luas then Bus. Unless I jump on a bus and then jump off again.



I already spend near enough 90 minutes per journey. Making the journey even longer to save a few quid is a big no no.


I thought the Leap was meant to fix stuff like this?




Thanks for that information. That looks like the way to go. Assuming there isn't anything in the fine print. Not valid on tuesday and every third friday.

The tickets are very straightforward.

Weekly tickets are valid for seven consecutive days from the date you first validate them.

Monthly tickets are valid for 30 consecutive days, and annual for a year.

As stated above, until they migrate to LEAP, you need to validate it on a bus before you can use it on LUAS, but once you've validated it the order time, you can just use it normally.

L1011

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Err, what exactly is an "Irish twin" as opposed to a regular one?

9 month window between the two kids. Can end up in the same class in school etc as a result.

syklops

lxflyer wrote: »

The tickets are very straightforward.

Im a reasonably smart guy, but you have to admit it is confusing.

There's three different websites all giving different information. The tax saver ticket looks to be good value but I have to get my employer involved.

lxflyer wrote: »

Weekly tickets are valid for seven consecutive days from the date you first validate them.

Monthly tickets are valid for 30 consecutive days, and annual for a year.

As stated above, until they migrate to LEAP, you need to validate it on a bus before you can use it on LUAS, but once you've validated it the order time, you can just use it normally.

So I buy a weekly ticket at the "Bus stop" shop at the top of Grafton Street, heading to Sandyford and I have to find a bus to validate the ticket on or I risk being fined on the Luas? Madness.

LXFlyer

Well you said yourself that you would use a bus first. You can buy it at any Dublin Bus ticket agent.

There's no other way of validating it - this situation will not last for much longer as I said above, so I really wouldn't waste time worrying about it.

Either way you should be using a period pass. LEAP pay as you go is only for occasional users or people who only travel short distances.

syklops

lxflyer wrote: »

Well you said yourself that you would use a bus first. You can buy it at any Dublin Bus ticket agent.

There's no other way of validating it - this situation will not last for much longer as I said above, so I really wouldn't waste time worrying about it.

Either way you should be using a period pass. LEAP pay as you go is only for occasional users or people who only travel short distances.

Where does one get a period pass? Do I have to call it a period pass?

(Not directed at you) Why the hell did they add an RFID reader to every bus in the city if LEAP cards are only for occasional users? I say again madness Ted!

LXFlyer

syklops wrote: »

Where does one get a period pass? Do I have to call it a period pass?

(Not directed at you) Why the hell did they add an RFID reader to every bus in the city if LEAP cards are only for occasional users? I say again madness Ted!

I've already told you - any Dublin Bus ticket agent:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Ticket-Agents/

Ask for whatever ticket you want! Weekly Bus/LUAS ticket or monthly.

I said that LEAP Pay-as-you-go was for occasional users. Anyone using the bus, train or LUAS on a daily basis and travelling medium/long distances should be using a period pass.

The vast majority of prepaid tickets are already on smart cards and use the top validator - so no madness there at all - it's really just the bus/LUAS one that still uses the validator. They will all migrate to LEAP over time.

Dravokivich

syklops wrote: »

So I buy a weekly ticket at the "Bus stop" shop at the top of Grafton Street, heading to Sandyford and I have to find a bus to validate the ticket on or I risk being fined on the Luas? Madness.

When I used Luas a lot back in 2007, TVMs dispensed the same ticket type and are validated from the TVM. Has that been done away with?