Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

Dont be at yourself

IvySlayer wrote: »

Giving 2 fingers to the 'no value in the market' is one good thing Moyes has done.

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

Hierro_4

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

Considering it's a direct EPL rival (well maybe not his season, but in general) that's selling, it's a fair price.

And everybody knows Mata's quality, it's a mystery to most people in the game that he's been so badly treated by Mourinho.

bmcc10

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Moyes is in Germany I hear.

Anyone hear or know more?

Hermann is it? Cheeky deal for Schweinsteiger:rolleyes: oh or Kroos or Gotze or Thiago goodness Bayern are spoilt

Dont be at yourself

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

£37 million for Chelsea's player of the season for the past two seasons is value if you ask me. We once sold our player of the season for £80 million and Spurs sold theirs for £85 million. Think we're doing well.

supersean1999

elvis jones wrote: »

Nope i think the Jose press conference is the only actual from either club.

I meant Basel and Chelsea. Seen a cfc tweet

IvySlayer

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

I think you missed my point. Instead of saying there's no value, he saw a class player, and got him. Hopefully he addresses CM next...but...signing Mata, one of the best playmakers in the league, and if Moyes plays him out of position with the same dog****e tactics/subs..

Hanging on and time wasting at home to Sunderland ffs. Taking off Kagawa and putting on Valencia....

I was reading posts from 2011, Everton fans moaning about Moyes and his defensive tactics, players out of position, making subs with 4 mins to go...

The_Kew_Tour

bmcc10 wrote: »

Hermann is it? Cheeky deal for Schweinsteiger:rolleyes: oh or Kroos or Gotze or Thiago goodness Bayern are spoilt

ok..........

fatherted1969

shamrock55 wrote: »

Whats the limit of your ambitions do you mind me asking??would it be 4th place by any chance

I'm following Manchester United since FA cup final day in 1979 I've seen loads of false dawns in the 80s and while we seem to be going through a dip at the moment imo it was always going to happen given the lack of proper replacements after Keane and Scholes finished coupled also with change of manager, backroom team and chief exec.

That being said would i be happy with 4th place at the end of the season ? honest answer no. Anything less than 1st is nothing to be celebrating about. I think what we're going through at the moment is a temporary phase. Class is permanent though and we are well able to turn all this around pretty quickly so enjoy this spell.

Rayne Wooney

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

Nonsense. 37m for Chelsea's player of the year the last 2 years in a row and one of the best players in the premier league the past few seasons is great value.

magnumbud

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Nonsense. Mata may turn out to be a great signing, but £37 million+ for a player who's unwanted by his current manager cannot be considered value.

Ozil cost more and was also unwanted and not to a direct rival and not during January when price is usually inflated. As said he's chelsea player of the year 2 years running and tgey know we are desperate. Could have cost more I'd say

The_Kew_Tour

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I'm following Manchester United since FA cup final day in 1979 I've seen loads of false dawns in the 80s and while we seem to be going through a dip at the moment imo it was always going to happen given the lack of proper replacements after Keane and Scholes finished coupled also with change of manager, backroom team and chief exec.

That being said would i be happy with 4th place at the end of the season ? honest answer no. Anything less than 1st is nothing to be celebrating about. I think what we're going through at the moment is a temporary phase. Class is permanent though and we are well able to turn all this around pretty quickly so enjoy this spell.

So you're GloryHunter:p:p

Like what you said. Agree, although finishing 4th is nothing to go mad over I do think finishing 4th would be more relief then celebration, but it would feel better than pain of missing out on CL football.

CSF

magnumbud wrote: »

Ozil cost more and was also unwanted and not to a direct rival and not during January when price is usually inflated. As said he's chelsea player of the year 2 years running and tgey know we are desperate. Could have cost more I'd say

Ozil would be the universally higher rated player though. I'd probably give him the nod myself, I remember in September there was a thread on here about the best player in the Premiership. Ozil was mentioned tonnes, Mata not really. Would be hard to argue without red tinted specs that Mata is the better player.

Rayne Wooney

CSF wrote: »

Ozil would be the universally higher rated player though. I'd probably give him the nod myself, I remember in September there was a thread on here about the best player in the Premiership. Ozil was mentioned tonnes, Mata not really. Would be hard to argue without red tinted specs that Mata is the better player.

Who is arguing that

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Who is arguing that

It has a bearing on their respective transfer values obviously.

Hierro_4

CSF wrote: »

Ozil would be the universally higher rated player though. I'd probably give him the nod myself, I remember in September there was a thread on here about the best player in the Premiership. Ozil was mentioned tonnes, Mata not really. Would be hard to argue without red tinted specs that Mata is the better player.

I don't think Ozil ever reached Mata's productivity last season. 20 goals and 35 assists was outrageous.

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Nonsense. 37m for Chelsea's player of the year the last 2 years in a row and one of the best players in the premier league the past few seasons is great value.

It's far too early to say whether it's good value or not tbh.

For that money you'd be expecting a lot of goals and assists

CSF

Hierro_4 wrote: »

I don't think Ozil ever reached Mata's productivity last season. 20 goals and 35 assists was outrageous.

Are those figures accurate? Was only (again seems like the wrong word to use) 11 and 18 in the league anyway.

magnumbud

CSF wrote: »

Ozil would be the universally higher rated player though. I'd probably give him the nod myself, I remember in September there was a thread on here about the best player in the Premiership. Ozil was mentioned tonnes, Mata not really. Would be hard to argue without red tinted specs that Mata is the better player.

Personally would say its hard to call between them. Not sure it's universally ozil but maybe I didn't watch enough of ozil at Madrid. My comparison came from them both being top drawer players that for mad reasons are unwanted and that I would say they would both cost about the same and we could have been caught for more for being rivals and it being January. All I know is my 2 chelsea fan friends are gutted and disgusted at the deal

tallaghtmick

What the actual ****! If we arent in for him its a travesty!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/9131793/premier-league-sunderland-chase-valencia-midfielder-ever-banega

Giggsy11

United Religion
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Juan Mata's friend and hairdresser confirms he has joined United on Instagram...

supersean1999

Hairdresser. fecking sell him. He needs a barber

Hank Scorpio

CSF wrote: »

Ozil would be the universally higher rated player though. I'd probably give him the nod myself, I remember in September there was a thread on here about the best player in the Premiership. Ozil was mentioned tonnes, Mata not really. Would be hard to argue without red tinted specs that Mata is the better player.

Ozil started off great but by the end of October up to now hes been ok, nothing standout and alot games seem to pass him by. I would have picked Ozil at the start of the season based on reputation but having watched 95% of Arsenal games this season I would pick Mata, and red tinted specs have nothing to do with it.

CSF

nuxxx wrote: »

Ozil started off great but by the end of October up to now hes been ok, nothing standout and alot games seem to pass him by. I would have picked Ozil at the start of the season based on reputation but having watched 95% of Arsenal games this season I would pick Mata, and red tinted specs have nothing to do with it.

Ozil has been the best player in his position for a number of years now IMO.

The_Kew_Tour

Woodward and Rooney apparently met in last day or 2 also about contract.

KH25

CSF wrote: »

Ozil has been the best player in his position for a number of years now IMO.

Ozil is a fantastic player. Not getting into whether he is better than Mata or not, but I don't think Ozil has done very much for the last 2 or 3 months for Arsenal. He's been very quiet.

Gringo180

nuxxx wrote: »

Ozil started off great but by the end of October up to now hes been ok, nothing standout and alot games seem to pass him by. I would have picked Ozil at the start of the season based on reputation but having watched 95% of Arsenal games this season I would pick Mata, and red tinted specs have nothing to do with it.

Watch every single one of Arsenals goals and you will see Ozil been a part of 99% of them. Games do pass him by, but he will create at least 3 or 4 great goalscoring chances every game.

Hank Scorpio

CSF wrote: »

Ozil has been the best player in his position for a number of years now IMO.

Mata has been ripping up the PL for 2 years, Ozil so far for me hasn't performed anywhere near his reputation suggests. I`ll wait until the end of the season but there's two sides to every coin.

Hank Scorpio

Gringo180 wrote: »

Watch every single one of Arsenals goals and you will see Ozil been a part of 99% of them. Games do pass him by, but he will create at least 3 or 4 great goalscoring chances every game.

Don't agree at all

Godge

nuxxx wrote: »

Ozil started off great but by the end of October up to now hes been ok, nothing standout and alot games seem to pass him by. I would have picked Ozil at the start of the season based on reputation but having watched 95% of Arsenal games this season I would pick Mata, and red tinted specs have nothing to do with it.

But if you are comparing based on this season, how do you reach that conclusion? Mata has hardly played.

All you are saying is that you have lowered your opinion of Ozil who has been picked to play and that you have raised your opinion of Mata who not been picked to play.

Hardly evidence-based?

CSF

nuxxx wrote: »

Mata has been ripping up the PL for 2 years, Ozil so far for me hasn't performed anywhere near his reputation suggests. I`ll wait until the end of the season but there's two sides to every coin.

I don't want to go too much further with this argument because we are probably veering further off-topic than most will like, but if you're judging Ozil on this season and not the unbelievable ones he has had before(he has been pretty immense this season too) , then surely you have to do the same for Mata.

irishfeen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Woodward and Rooney apparently met in last day or 2 also about contract.

Source via twitter or what Kew?

The_Kew_Tour

irishfeen wrote: »

Source via twitter or what Kew?

Just few reliable lads on twitter who 1 or 2 would know in here.

Firstly hope its true, secondly hope its positive talks.

The_Kew_Tour

Right lads I have a stag to head to and christening tomorrow so full weekend of drinking awaits

This needs to be said. Have a good one.

Hierro_4

CSF wrote: »

Are those figures accurate? Was only (again seems like the wrong word to use) 11 and 18 in the league anyway.

- 17 assists, 11 goals in Premier League
-5 assists, 1 goal in FA cup
-4 assists, 2 goals in League cup
-3 assists, 3 goals in Champions League
-5 assists, 1 goal in Europa League
-1 assist, 1 goal in Club World Cup

Source: http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/juan-mata/leistungsdaten-detail/spieler_44068.html

It's more impressive considering he was supplying strikers like Torres and Ba. Imagine what he could do with Van Persie and Rooney.

Rayne Wooney

I just can't see us finishing 4th without buying a midfielder. Opposition supporters aren't too bothered by the Mata signing because of the midfield problem, which shows the magnitude of it really.

Hank Scorpio

I'm just basing it on what I've seen in the PL CSF. Ozil deserves as much time as Mata for a fair comparison but if you asked me right now who I'd prefer I would say Mata.

wadacrack

Think Cabaye could join near the end of this window. Obviously Champions league eligible

supersean1999

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Right lads I have a stag to head to and christening tomorrow so full weekend of drinking awaits

This needs to be said. Have a good one.

So anything that you post in the next two days can be excused

Maximus Alexander

I still have a really bad feeling about the Mata transfer. I wish I could just not think about football at all until Tuesday evening.

Kerrydude1981

I suppose Ed showed Rooney his Man Utd squad off FM and then told him how he plans on getting that team in real life.

TheBunk1

Mata owns Albiol

DARK-KNIGHT

To those questioning value in mata at 37 million think about this chelseas star man for years past we get for 37 million pound..

Pool paid 37 million pound on andy carroll would you value carroll 2 million less than mata

PMSL

Jimmy Iovine

When is the latest that Mata can be registered for the match on Tuesday?

Headshot

I see Sunderland are interested in Banega, love to see how he would get on in the PL

GavRedKing

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

When is the latest that Mata can be registered for the match on Tuesday?

Monday midday AFAIK.

Dicky Pride

First interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKBpVDnfK44

magnumbud

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

When is the latest that Mata can be registered for the match on Tuesday?

Think he would have to be registered with United to the fa by Monday afternoon but could be wrong.

niallo27

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

To those questioning value in mata at 37 million think about this chelseas star man for years past we get for 37 million pound..

Pool paid 37 million pound on andy carroll would you value carroll 2 million less than mata

PMSL

Liverpool also paid 22 million for Suarez in the same transfer window. Would you value mata 15 million more than Suarez.

Hierro_4

niallo27 wrote: »

Liverpool also paid 22 million for Suarez in the same transfer window. Would you value mata 15 million more than Suarez.

Suarez has improved significantly since that outlay and wasn't signed from a rival.

It makes no sense to compare the two transfers.

supersean1999

niallo27 wrote: »

Liverpool also paid 22 million for Suarez in the same transfer window. Would you value mata 15 million more than Suarez.

At the time probably. Suarez has improved big time he enjoys being the big fish in a small pond. Prob worth 60m now .