Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

GSPfan

Pro. F wrote: »

the formation used is not the issue with this team.

I wouldn't completely agree with that. A 4,4,2 with our central midfielders is very weak. Always bullied against a good midfield.

Pro. F

GSPfan wrote: »

I wouldn't completely agree with that. A 4,4,2 with our central midfielders is very weak. Always bullied against a good midfield.

But we don't play 442. We play 4411/451 with Rooney dropping back to pick up the ball frequently and one, or sometimes both, of the wide men cutting inside.

Headshot

I hope Moyes saw who scored that Juve goal

GSPfan

Marchisio with a screamer.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Headshot wrote: »

I hope Moyes saw who scored that Juve goal

Hes only on the pitch 5 minutes too

Kylo Ren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa4uYowcHxA

Hey, Moyes...

J. Marston

Tapping the badge, doubt he's going anywhere.

MagicMarker

A more competent keeper would have saved that quite easily in fairness.

Cantona's Collars

J. Marston wrote: »

Tapping the badge, doubt he's going anywhere.

Didn't a certain Liverpool captain do that & then wanted to join Chelsea;)

GSPfan

Pro. F wrote: »

But we don't play 442. We play 4411/451 with Rooney dropping back to pick up the ball frequently and one, or sometimes both, of the wide men cutting inside.

Fair enough but both those formations only have 2 central midfield players in the centre. Whether you call Rooney a no.10 or an attacking midfielder he still doesn't stop the onslaught through the middle of the park that happens all the time.

I don't think those formations are bad, I just think with our squad of central midfielders they are exposing us. That's why I think the formation is a problem with this team of players.

keeponhurling

J. Marston wrote: »

Tapping the badge, doubt he's going anywhere.

They all do that!

Will I Amnt

That should never go in, keeper has got to save it.
Also, that's one shìt haircut on Pogba, looks like a f**king cassowary.

keeponhurling

Remember when Pogba left cos Park and Rafael started ahead if him, and Scholes was called out if retirement?

Wonder what Zaha is thinking when Young and Nani are injured and he still can't even get 5 mins when the game is already won?

KH25

Pro. F wrote: »

The first formation there is the 4222 magic square that Brazil started using in the early 80s. The second one is pretty much what United are already playing. Football formations have not changed and the formation used is not the issue with this team.

I disagree. I think the formation is part of the problem. We are sticking with players such as Valencia because they fit into the formation, rather than using an alternative to accommodate more talented players like Kagawa. Moyes' reliance on wing play is forcing his hand with the formation used, which in turn is influencing the tactics.

Formations have not changed no, but teams have. Teams are finding it too easy against United playing 4-4-2. Our game plan is obvious from the start and teams are able to counter it relatively easily. Indeed, this is down to sub-standard players in part, but as I said alternate formations are available which may better accommodate the team as it is.

kryogen

City are how do you say, getting the rub of the green this season arent they

Very unlucky for Krul there. Game over, Ben Arfa is one frustrating ****er to watch!

TheMilkyPirate

Keno wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa4uYowcHxA

Hey, Moyes...

Commentator mentions David moyes in that clip, Anyone speak Italian? :pac:

Harvey Low Fat Milk

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Commentator mentions David moyes in that clip, Anyone speak Italian? :pac:

Moyes was spotted at the match.

irishfeen

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Commentator mentions David moyes in that clip, Anyone speak Italian? :pac:

Don't think that's Italian mate, seems to be a clip from Russia/Ukraine or that part of the world ... at least we are making headlines across the continent anyway

Timmyctc

TBf that goal was fair mediocre

Pro. F

GSPfan wrote: »

Fair enough but both those formations only have 2 central midfield players in the centre. Whether you call Rooney a no.10 or an attacking midfielder he still doesn't stop the onslaught through the middle of the park that happens all the time.

I don't think those formations are bad, I just think with our squad of central midfielders they are exposing us. That's why I think the formation is a problem with this team of players.

You think Rooney doesn't offer as much defensively as Ozil, Cazorla, Oscar, Gotze, Muller, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa and the like?

KH25 wrote: »

I disagree. I think the formation is part of the problem. We are sticking with players such as Valencia because they fit into the formation, rather than using an alternative to accommodate more talented players like Kagawa. Moyes' reliance on wing play is forcing his hand with the formation used, which in turn is influencing the tactics.

Formations have not changed no, but teams have. Teams are finding it too easy against United playing 4-4-2. Our game plan is obvious from the start and teams are able to counter it relatively easily. Indeed, this is down to sub-standard players in part, but as I said alternate formations are available which may better accommodate the team as it is.

How do you know Moyes is picking Valencia to suit the formation?

Kagawa has played on the left a lot this season, cutting inside from there. Evra races forward all the time and is the main outlet wide on the left. Januzaj cuts inside a lot when he plays as well. Often we've ended up with two wide players cutting inside and two attacking fullbacks when Val is dropped back. The narrow play you're calling for is already happening.

FlawedGenius

Who could Moyes have been watching in Italy??

Thecon21

http://31.media.tumblr.com/984d54210ee24cd501888679a0eda4c8/tumblr_mz9758edqA1qllzizo1_500.gif

GSPfan

Pro. F wrote: »

You think Rooney doesn't offer as much defensively as Ozil, Cazorla, Oscar, Gotze, Muller, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa and the like?

Why you asking me that? I think Rooney doesn't help stop our central midfielders being slaughtered. None of the above would either. I think a third central midfielder in the middle i.e. Fellaini, in front of Fletch and Carrick would be a strong midfield against good teams.
I'd then play Rooney and Januzaj ahead of those 3 a little wider (but not wingers) with RVP up top.

You said originally that formation was not the problem with THIS team. I think it is, with THIS team. If the team changes then it could work, but with the players United have now I don't trust any combination of 2 central midfielders to hold their own against the big teams in a 4,4,2 or 4,4,1,1.

kryogen

Ah, the christmas tree

The full backs are very important in that formation

Headshot

Stoke doing us a big favour so far,

Whatsisname

Liverpool blow 2 goal lead. 2-2.

Timmyctc

Headshot wrote: »

Stoke doing us a big favour so far,

TBH they werent doing themselves any favours for the first two.

Kerrydude1981

Headshot wrote: »

Stoke doing us a big favour so far,

Cracking goal from Adam

sReq | uTeK

2 ex pool.players 2

Pro. F

GSPfan wrote: »

Why you asking me that? I think Rooney doesn't help stop our central midfielders being slaughtered. None of the above would either. I think a third central midfielder in the middle i.e. Fellaini, in front of Fletch and Carrick would be a strong midfield against good teams.
I'd then play Rooney and Januzaj ahead of those 3 a little wider (but not wingers) with RVP up top.

You said originally that formation was not the problem with THIS team. I think it is, with THIS team. If the team changes then it could work, but with the players United have now I don't trust any combination of 2 central midfielders to hold their own against the big teams in a 4,4,2 or 4,4,1,1.

I was asking you that to try and show how Rooney's position and role is the same as those players who play in the same position in what is recognised as 4231. Like you say, I don't think any of those other players would stop our midfield being overrun either.

If you want to put somebody like Fellaini in there instead, then yes I agree that would be a change in formation. But you would be taking our best player, Rooney, and sticking him in his least effective position, on the wing. Saying that he wouldn't really be playing out wide (which is what people always say when they try to justify sticking him out there) is just fantasy. He would still have to track back in the wide channel and so his attacking qualities would still end up being nullified. He has shown over the years that he does not work when playing from wide.

Then there's the fact that Fellaini isn't that good creatively. Sticking him between the central midfield and the striker could maybe work if we had a supper talented central midfield, but we obviously don't.

So I don't agree at all that that formation would fix the problems with this team.

Lightbulb Sun

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Thoughts?

Red Crow

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Anybody read this Robbie Savage article yet? BRAND NEW

kryogen

Would there be any chance Moyes was taking a look at Caceres?

Timmyctc

Has anyone ever heard of this site BBC SPORT ?

Your Airbag

Everton Riberos agent claims two EPL clubs have made offers for him.

http://thepeoplesperson.com/ribeiros-agent-confirms-offers-from-two-premier-league-clubs-for-brazilian-playmaker/

JRant

Pro. F wrote: »

You think Rooney doesn't offer as much defensively as Ozil, Cazorla, Oscar, Gotze, Muller, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa and the like?



How do you know Moyes is picking Valencia to suit the formation?

Kagawa has played on the left a lot this season, cutting inside from there. Evra races forward all the time and is the main outlet wide on the left. Januzaj cuts inside a lot when he plays as well. Often we've ended up with two wide players cutting inside and two attacking fullbacks when Val is dropped back. The narrow play you're calling for is already happening.

Well I would hope Moyes is picking players to suit a formation.

The problem this season, as far as i can see, is a lack of balance in attack. All the points you make are valid. However we have continued to play with width when the space is elsewhere. Yesterday we used the space presented to us and it paid off. When the space was wide we attacked there, when central we went down that channel.

Re Rooney, I think we should be playing him in his best position which is up front.

Saucy McKetchup

Lightbulb Sun wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Thoughts?

Ex footballer who never quite made it to the big time makes sensationalist statements to try and make headlines!

Headshot

Anything regarding Savage should be banned from the sf.

Nalz

Headshot wrote: »

Anything regarding Savage should be banned from the sf.

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Ex footballer who never quite made it to the big time makes sensationalist statements to try and make headlines!

Have a two minute glance on the players he mentions that has to go. I agree with a lot of them. I've still hope in Smalling, Fellaini, Nani and to a lesser extent Chico but the rest I'd agree with.

Cantona's Collars

Fabrizio Romano @FabRomano21
Follow

David Moyes is now observing Astori for january, but also Arturo Vidal as next summer possible target #MUFC

Would like this to be the case but if Pogba leaves,I can't see Vidal going aswell.

Saucy McKetchup

Trilla wrote: »

Have a two minute glance on the players he mentions that has to go. I agree with a lot of them. I've still hope in Smalling, Fellaini, Nani and to a lesser extent Chico but the rest I'd agree with.

Fabio is not good enough, rio's too old, Anderson's a paperweight, nani spends more time giving the ball away than making assists, I'd like to see them moved on to free up space in the squad but 12 changes is a bit much

KH25

Pro. F wrote: »

How do you know Moyes is picking Valencia to suit the formation?

Because there must be some explanation for him not being dropped and constantly playing far below the standard he set himself as a winger.

I accept your other points by the way.

Cantona's Collars

It has been announced that due to the imminent departure of Anderson to Fiorentina,United have been forced to lay off half of it's canteen staff.

yabadabado

Evra,Rio,Giggs,Valencia,Anderson are the 5 players I would have no problem with leaving/retiring in the next 6 months then Young Buttner,Vidic and Fabio in the next 18 months.
Evra,Rio and Giggs are almost finished and Ando and Valencia just aint good enough.LB and CM bought this window and another 3 or 4 players in the summer and the squad is in a much better position.

Cantona's Collars

Juventus manager Antonio Conte about Marchisio after match- "Manchester United want him? He won't move from Juventus until June"

"Moyes presence doesn't worry me. Maybe he came here for a cultural day out to see a different system to what Utd play"

kryogen

I enjoy Conte

CR 7

kryogen wrote: »

I enjoy Conte

GSPfan

I just can't imagine more than 2 or 3 transfers in and out this Summer considering how inactive its been under Moyes. Hopefully there is a lot of changes. Just can't imagine it.

Whatsisname

CR 7 wrote: »

God, I fúcking love Nathan.

Lightbulb Sun

Red Crow wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25665649

Anybody read this Robbie Savage article yet? BRAND NEW

I don't support Utd or read the thread often. Seems it was posted before then.