Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

GavRedKing

Mitch Connor wrote: »

We will need an Arsenal type performance from Chelsea to have a hope - Arsenal were rubbish against us.

We've started sh*te in a lot of games this season and a couple of times we've being 1-0 down in the opening few minutes, if Utd want to win this game or get a result, a very quick start is needed by Utd, we've being slugish early in games so that could be our achilles heel.

irishfeen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

We created nothing that day - the goal we got was a half chance. Arsenal had better chances than we did.

Half chance ?? How was that the case? ... Well to keep that Arsenal midfield quiet for 90 odd minutes was an achievement in itself when subsequent results are looked upon.

beno619

bucketybuck wrote: »

I just can't see that this squad which has been uniformly dire all season is suddenly about to start producing top four performances. If you think then it is then you are basing that on blind faith, because the evidence of the season so far says differently.

If we see a similar side to the one that finished the Swansea game I would be confident about finishing in the top 4. Again this was a ttile winning squad.

Most of our problems in the first half of the season were due to very questionable formation and player selections from the manager imo.

I hoping Moyes has finally copped onto the best way to play without RVP and or Rooney, Shinji has to play in the hole.

GavRedKing

irishfeen wrote: »

To be honest mate I think we might need the win a bit more ...

ok so, have the 3 points so :pac:

irishfeen

GavRedKing wrote: »

We've started sh*te in a lot of games this season and a couple of times we've being 1-0 down in the opening few minutes, if Utd want to win this game or get a result, a very quick start is needed by Utd, we've being slugish early in games so that could be our achilles heel.

Even with the sluggish start say against Liverpool they still recovered well ... That United "never say never" attitude that now Chelsea have is worrying in terms of getting a result ... I think keeping them scoreless until 70 min +, then sneak a goal is the best way to beat them ... After which they push forward and then counter like a motherfcuker at every opportunity .

irishfeen

GavRedKing wrote: »

ok so, have the 3 points so :pac:

I'd prefer to win them fair and square and take that little record away from the bridge

Your Airbag

So they are going to make a film about Roy Keane

http://balls.ie/football/theyre-making-a-roy-keane-film/

Mitch Connor

irishfeen wrote: »

Half chance ?? How was that the case? ... Well to keep that Arsenal midfield quiet for 90 odd minutes was an achievement in itself when subsequent results are looked upon.

Mid range header from a corner - if he had missed it would you have thought "Feck sake Robin, you've got to score that!". I doubt it, and on that criteria, it is a half chance imo. A 'Full' chance, imo, is one you expect the player to score from.

irishfeen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Mid range header from a corner - if he had missed it would you have thought "Feck sake Robin, you've got to score that!". I doubt it, and on that criteria, it is a half chance imo. A 'Full' chance, imo, is one you expect the player to score from.

Jaysus you have a very technical summary of chances ... It was a great goal from a great player.

GavRedKing

irishfeen wrote: »

Even with the sluggish start say against Liverpool they still recovered well ... That United "never say never" attitude that now Chelsea have is worrying in terms of getting a result ... I think keeping them scoreless until 70 min +, then sneak a goal is the best way to beat them ... After which they push forward and then counter like a motherfcuker at every opportunity .

It'll be very hard to keep us scoreless at home anyway, off the top of my head i can count 4 away games we didnt score in, Utd, Arsenal, Everton & Newcastle, we drew 2 of the 1st and lost the latter.

Any one wanna speculate at a Utd line up?

I think I can predict the Chelsea one but I've question marks at over Cahill or Luiz and Matic or Mikel.

Rayne Wooney

One does not simply start Chico against Chelsea

One must put Chico on with 20 minutes to go and let him work his magic


12 apps(6 sub) 7 goals + 1 assist

Mitch Connor

GavRedKing wrote: »

It'll be very hard to keep us scoreless at home anyway, off the top of my head i can count 4 away games we didnt score in, Utd, Arsenal, Everton & Newcastle, we drew 2 of the 1st and lost the latter.

Any one wanna speculate at a Utd line up?

I think I can predict the Chelsea one but I've question marks at over Cahill or Luiz and Matic or Mikel.

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DDG
Rafael--Evans--Vidic---Evra

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Carrick---Fletcher
Valencia---Kagawa--Januzaj

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Welbeck

With Rooney, RVP, Jones, Nani, Young all injured, I don't see many other options. Centre backs might be changed though, Smalling in for one of them maybe.

GavRedKing

Mitch Connor wrote: »

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DDG
Rafael--Evans--Vidic---Evra

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Carrick---Fletcher
Valencia---Kagawa--Januzaj

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Welbeck

With Rooney, RVP, Jones, Nani, Young all injured, I don't see many other options. Centre backs might be changed though, Smalling in for one of them maybe.

I was thinking that team but with Smalling for Vidic, but mainly because I had forgotten about Vidic.

I'd like to see

Cech
Azp Luiz JT Cole
Ramires Matic
Willian Oscar Hazard
Torres

But it could easily be Cahill for Luiz and Mikel for Matic.

Mitch Connor

GavRedKing wrote: »

I was thinking that team but with Smalling for Vidic, but mainly because I had forgotten about Vidic.

I'd like to see

Cech
Azp Luiz JT Cole
Ramires Matic
Willian Oscar Hazard
Torres

But it could easily be Cahill for Luiz and Mikel for Matic.

Personally I would hope it is Luiz and Mikel that start. Luiz is a great attacking threat, but I would see Cahill as more solid - think we could get at Luiz better - then I rate Matic a lot higher than Mikel, so hope it is Mikel.

hufpc8w3adnk65

GavRedKing wrote: »

I was thinking that team but with Smalling for Vidic, but mainly because I had forgotten about Vidic.

I'd like to see

Cech
Azp Luiz JT Cole
Ramires Matic
Willian Oscar Hazard
Torres

But it could easily be Cahill for Luiz and Mikel for Matic.

No Mata??

Cantona's Collars

Valencia want Nani as their top transfer target according to the Metro.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/16/valencia-could-sign-luis-nani-from-manchester-united-within-days-4265099/

RasTa

Have we only won twice at Stamford bridge since 2002?

lordgoat

Mitch Connor wrote: »

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DDG
Rafael--Evans--Vidic---Evra

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Carrick---Fletcher
Valencia---Kagawa--Januzaj

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Welbeck

With Rooney, RVP, Jones, Nani, Young all injured, I don't see many other options. Centre backs might be changed though, Smalling in for one of them maybe.

That left side is so weak... Buy i think this will be the team as well. Unless Smalling for Evans again.

GavRedKing

MrMac84 wrote: »

No Mata??

Nah, that supporting 3 work their bo**ocks off when we dont have the ball so unless Oscar is injured I cant see Mata starting.

MagicIRL

G. Neville had a good point on MNF about Januzaj playing up against a strong RB in Ivanovich, and how, with Ivonovich bombing forward, he'll over-power Januzaj who lets face it, has flair and skill, but looks like a stick (See DDG in his first season)

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Are people already revising history to say we played well against Arsenal?

irishfeen wrote: »

it was still an excellent United performance

No, it really wasn't.

Johner

RasTa wrote: »

Have we only won twice at Stamford bridge since 2002?

I think last season was Uniteds first win there in the league since 02, and the other was a Champions League 1/4 final.

Mitch Connor

lordgoat wrote: »

That left side is so weak... Buy i think this will be the team as well. Unless Smalling for Evans again.

Yep - which is why we should be getting, at least, a left back in January.... but no...

Mitch Connor

MagicIRL wrote: »

G. Neville had a good point on MNF about Januzaj playing up against a strong RB in Ivanovich, and how, with Ivonovich bombing forward, he'll over-power Januzaj who lets face it, has flair and skill, but looks like a stick (See DDG in his first season)

What is the other option though?

Play Kagawa there? Same problem.
Play Welbeck there? Maybe, then start Chico and no striking option on the bench.
Nani and Young are both injured.

irishfeen

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, it really wasn't.

Compared with subsequent performances it was.

racso1975

TRANSFER NEWS:
ARSENAL
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Chuba Akpom (Brentford, loan); Damian Martinez (Sheffield Weds, loan)

ASTON VILLA
In (signed): Grant Holt (Wigan, loan)
Out (signed): Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa, undisclosed)

CARDIFF CITY
In (signed): Mats Moller Daehli (Molde, undisclosed); Magnus Wolff Eikrem (Heerenveen, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Rudy Gestede (Blackburn, undisclosed); Filip Kiss (Ross County, loan)

CHELSEA
In (signed): Nemanja Matic (Benfica, £21m); Bertrand Traore (Association Jeunes Espoirs De Bobo, free)
Out (signed): Bertrand Traore (Vitesse Arnhem, loan); Patrick Bamford (Derby, loan); Kenneth Omeruo (Middlesbrough, loan)

CRYSTAL PALACE
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Jason Banton (Plymouth, undisclosed); Jimmy Kebe (Leeds, loan); Kevin Phillips (released)

EVERTON
In (signed): Aiden McGeady (Spartak Moscow, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Nikica Jelavic (Hull City, £6.5m); Tylas Browning (Wigan, loan); Shane Duffy (Yeovil, loan)

FULHAM
In (signed): Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders, loan)
Out (signed): Bryan Ruiz (PSV Eindhoven, loan)

HULL CITY
In (signed): Nikica Jelavic (Everton, £6.5m)
Out (signed): Tom Cairney (Blackburn, undisclosed); Cameron Stewart (Leeds, undisclosed); Conor Townsend (Carlisle, loan)

LIVERPOOL
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Ryan McLaughlin (Barnsley, loan); Adam Morgan (Yeovil, undisclosed); Conor Coady (Sheffield Utd, loan)

MANCHESTER CITY
In (signed): None
Out (signed): John Guidetti (Stoke City, loan)


MANCHESTER UNITED
In (signed): None
Out (signed): None


NEWCASTLE UNITED
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Jonas Gutierrez (Norwich City, loan)

NORWICH CITY
In (signed): Jonas Gutierrez (Newcastle, loan)
Out (signed): None

SOUTHAMPTON
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Tadanari Lee (released)

STOKE CITY
In (signed): Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa, undisclosed); John Guidetti (Manchester City, loan)
Out (signed): Brek Shea (Barnsley, loan)

SUNDERLAND
In (signed): Marcos Alonso (Fiorentina, loan)
Out (signed): Mikael Mandron (Fleetwood, loan); Cabral (Genoa, loan)

SWANSEA CITY
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Alan Tate (Aberdeen, loan)

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Simon Dawkins (Derby, undisclosed); Shaquile Coulthirst (Leyton Orient, loan); Jonathan Obika (Brighton, loan); Jermain Defoe (Toronto, undisclosed)

WEST BROMWICH ALBION
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Lee Camp (Bournemouth, free)

WEST HAM UNITED
In (signed): Carlton Cole (re-signed, free); Roger Johnson (Wolves, loan); Jaanai Gordon (Peterborough, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Mladen Petric (released)


A total fuking joke. Not only can we get nobody in are you trying to tell me we have no players that could do with going out on loan?????

Saucy McKetchup

Rooney returned from Egypt yesterday, I'd expect to at least see him in the bench

kryogen

MrMac84 wrote: »

No Mata??

Of course not

magnumbud

racso1975 wrote: »

A total fuking joke. Not only can we get nobody in are you trying to tell me we have no players that could do with going out on loan?????

we already have a good few out on loan and loans to lower leagues have a later deadline than the end of the month. i'd be fully sure by the end of the window zaha will be out on loan and maybe lingard to a PL team both having a good remainder of the season playing regularly in the PL would set them up nicely for fitting into the squad next year. and likely keane will go on another loan along with a couple of others. i would not be as sure of the ins changing though

Will I Amnt

racso1975 wrote: »

TRANSFER NEWS:
ARSENAL
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Chuba Akpom (Brentford, loan); Damian Martinez (Sheffield Weds, loan)

ASTON VILLA
In (signed): Grant Holt (Wigan, loan)
Out (signed): Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa, undisclosed)

CARDIFF CITY
In (signed): Mats Moller Daehli (Molde, undisclosed); Magnus Wolff Eikrem (Heerenveen, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Rudy Gestede (Blackburn, undisclosed); Filip Kiss (Ross County, loan)

CHELSEA
In (signed): Nemanja Matic (Benfica, £21m); Bertrand Traore (Association Jeunes Espoirs De Bobo, free)
Out (signed): Bertrand Traore (Vitesse Arnhem, loan); Patrick Bamford (Derby, loan); Kenneth Omeruo (Middlesbrough, loan)

CRYSTAL PALACE
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Jason Banton (Plymouth, undisclosed); Jimmy Kebe (Leeds, loan); Kevin Phillips (released)

EVERTON
In (signed): Aiden McGeady (Spartak Moscow, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Nikica Jelavic (Hull City, £6.5m); Tylas Browning (Wigan, loan); Shane Duffy (Yeovil, loan)

FULHAM
In (signed): Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders, loan)
Out (signed): Bryan Ruiz (PSV Eindhoven, loan)

HULL CITY
In (signed): Nikica Jelavic (Everton, £6.5m)
Out (signed): Tom Cairney (Blackburn, undisclosed); Cameron Stewart (Leeds, undisclosed); Conor Townsend (Carlisle, loan)

LIVERPOOL
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Ryan McLaughlin (Barnsley, loan); Adam Morgan (Yeovil, undisclosed); Conor Coady (Sheffield Utd, loan)

MANCHESTER CITY
In (signed): None
Out (signed): John Guidetti (Stoke City, loan)


MANCHESTER UNITED
In (signed): None
Out (signed): None


NEWCASTLE UNITED
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Jonas Gutierrez (Norwich City, loan)

NORWICH CITY
In (signed): Jonas Gutierrez (Newcastle, loan)
Out (signed): None

SOUTHAMPTON
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Tadanari Lee (released)

STOKE CITY
In (signed): Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa, undisclosed); John Guidetti (Manchester City, loan)
Out (signed): Brek Shea (Barnsley, loan)

SUNDERLAND
In (signed): Marcos Alonso (Fiorentina, loan)
Out (signed): Mikael Mandron (Fleetwood, loan); Cabral (Genoa, loan)

SWANSEA CITY
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Alan Tate (Aberdeen, loan)

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Simon Dawkins (Derby, undisclosed); Shaquile Coulthirst (Leyton Orient, loan); Jonathan Obika (Brighton, loan); Jermain Defoe (Toronto, undisclosed)

WEST BROMWICH ALBION
In (signed): None
Out (signed): Lee Camp (Bournemouth, free)

WEST HAM UNITED
In (signed): Carlton Cole (re-signed, free); Roger Johnson (Wolves, loan); Jaanai Gordon (Peterborough, undisclosed)
Out (signed): Mladen Petric (released)


A total fuking joke. Not only can we get nobody in are you trying to tell me we have no players that could do with going out on loan?????

There already is players out on loan. I can understand people getting their knickers in a twist about nobody coming in but this is a new one for me

Zaha will more than likely end up on loan anyway.

Mitch Connor

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There already is players out on loan. I can understand people getting their knickers in a twist about nobody coming in but this is a new one for me

Agreed - without anyone coming in, I don't see how we can let any go.

Candidates would be Buttner and Fabio but then we'd be fecked at full back.

Anderson looks to be off which is another player gone from central midfield (though not used).

Talk that we may be thinking of moving Nani on (which would be crazy imo).

GavRedKing

MagicIRL wrote: »

G. Neville had a good point on MNF about Januzaj playing up against a strong RB in Ivanovich, and how, with Ivonovich bombing forward, he'll over-power Januzaj who lets face it, has flair and skill, but looks like a stick (See DDG in his first season)

Ivanovic is injured, he wont be playing.

DARK-KNIGHT

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Agreed - without anyone coming in, I don't see how we can let any go.

Candidates would be Buttner and Fabio but then we'd be fecked at full back.

Anderson looks to be off which is another player gone from central midfield (though not used).

Talk that we may be thinking of moving Nani on (which would be crazy imo).

Moyes could actually weaken the squad this window lol oh it just gets better and better.. no way can nani go if we sign nobody

Maximus Alexander

My usual pre-match positivity has deserted me. I really can't see United getting anything from Chelsea. I can see it being a laboured and uninteresting match, with Chelsea to ultimately win it. If I was prepared to bet against United (I'm not) I'd go for Chelsea by one goal.

Saucy McKetchup

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There already is players out on loan. I can understand people getting their knickers in a twist about nobody coming in but this is a new one for me

Zaha will more than likely end up on loan anyway.

Weren't all players that were out on loan called back?

Mitch Connor

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Weren't all players that were out on loan called back?

Will Keane, Macheda and Lingard were.

Lawrence, Michael Keane, Powell and Tunnicliffe are still on loan I believe. Not sure if there are others.

Al Capwned

Players currently out on loan. From here.

Petrucci at Antwerp - (Back)
Tom Lawrence at Carlisle
Michael Keane at Derby
Nick Powell at Wigan
Henriquez at Real Zaragoza
Bebe at Pacos Ferreira
Tunnicliffe at Ipswich

supersean1999

When you read all the players linked to utd, and put them in a list , you would imagine it won't be hard to improve our center mid, there must be 15 players linked to us in jan, some serious scouting going on, I'd be really hopeful of getting one decent player in soon, if Rooney , van persie, nani and Fellaini and jones stay fit, we won't be in to bad of shape, them last 7 games utd have could be crucial and there all winnable if the team hits a bit of form,

Cypher_sounds

Fiorentina announce they have signed Matri on loan from AC...patiently awaiting confirmation of their 'coup' of a certain Brazilian.

Things on our side are looking quite bleak.

Mars Bar

I thought Petrucci was back from loan?

EDIT: He is. He played against Southampton during the week

Al Capwned

Mars Bar wrote: »

I thought Petrucci was back from loan?

EDIT: He is. He played against Southampton during the week

Editededed my post...

RobertKK

It is better Moyes signs nobody if he can't get the player(s) he wants now, when it will be easier to get players in the summer.

No point signing players for the sake of signing players and then being stuck with them. Moyes has said players like Powell will be recalled if unable to get the players he wants.

If Moyes wants players like Vidal, Pogba, Koke and it in the summer he can only get them, then why waste money now? If he is getting the work done to get in the players in the summer then I will be happy.
That said a loan deal till summer for some players would be fine, once we haven't to keep players we don't want longer term.

Getting 4th in the PL has to be the number one priority, CL win which won't happen...getting into the CL next season is all the fans want at this stage.

edit to fix two missing key words.

beno619

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Fiorentina announce they have signed Matri on loan from AC...patiently awaiting confirmation of their 'coup' of a certain Brazilian.

Things on our side are looking quite bleak.

Everton ?

Lord TSC

I dont mind waiting for those players if we know they are coming.

But i worry we dont get them now OR in the summer.

I also would prefer we bring in future squad players now, improve the first team now, and have our squad sorted before we go after top top players in the summer.

RobertKK

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I dont mind waiting for those players if we know they are coming.

But i worry we dont get them now OR in the summer.

I also would prefer we bring in future squad players now, improve the first team now, and have our squad sorted before we go after top top players in the summer.

Given the turmoil in the Southampton board room, maybe Lallana will be signed.

Mitch Connor

RobertKK wrote: »

It is better Moyes signs nobody if he can't get the player(s) he wants now, when it will be easier to get players in the summer.

No point signing players for the sake of signing players and then being stuck with them. Moyes has said players like Powell will be recalled if unable to get the players he wants.

If Moyes wants players like Vidal, Pogba, Koke and it in the summer he can only get them, then why waste money now? If he is getting the work done to get in the players in the summer then I will be happy.
That said a loan deal till summer for some players would be fine, once we haven't to keep players we don't want longer term.

Getting 4th in the PL has to be the number one priority, CL win which won't happen...getting into the CL next season is all the fans want at this stage.

edit to fix two missing key words.

How will it be easier to get players in the summer? During World Cup year - which always makes things a bit difficult, on the back of (possibly) a season of failure and no CL to offer?

Doing nothing now means getting 4th is going to be very hard based on the evidence of what Moyes is currently getting from the current squad.

Al Capwned

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I dont mind waiting for those players if we know they are coming.

But i worry we dont get them now OR in the summer.

I also would prefer we bring in future squad players now, improve the first team now, and have our squad sorted before we go after top top players in the summer.

Agreed, but in the event the bolded part does happen, can you imagine the ****storm that would ensue in here.
People going mental that these players aren't good enough...

Headshot

We dont get the players, less of a chance going of getting a CL spot.

Mitch Connor

Al Capwned wrote: »

Agreed, but in the event the bolded part does happen, can you imagine the ****storm that would ensue in here.
People going mental that these players aren't good enough...

Indeed - but what has that got to do with it? Moyes shouldn't be working to what the United fans might think of him short term, never mind what we moan about on Boards.ie.

Al Capwned

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Indeed - but what has that got to do with it? Moyes shouldn't be working to what the United fans might think of him short term, never mind what we moan about on Boards.ie.

Nothing at all. It was more of an observation of what would happen here. Nothing more, and certainly not my opinion of what the manager should or shouldn't be working towards.