Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

Pro. F

beno619 wrote: »

It's a simple yes know, your lack of straight answers to a simple question says a lot.

Your lack of ability to follow a simple conversation is the issue here.

You shouldn't confuse somebody refusing to hold your hand and walk you through a simple conversation with evasiveness.

FatherTed

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Show me proof where Rooney or his Rep said we want Chelsea?

Alright Mick

bucketybuck

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Grand well we're signing Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta and Guardiola is going to coach us.

Not much point playing this game is there. Just because nobody can give you a signed affidavit doesn't change the fact that clearly there was contact between Chelsea and Rooney in the summer.

Unless you really think Chelsea made a bid without ever speaking to the notoriously honest agent Paul Stretford? Because you will be on your own in that one.

Backstreet Moyes

beno619 wrote: »

How do we know, has he ever gotten a decent run in the side ?

For all the complaining done about Evra, I dont see anything wrong with trying someone else anyone else same goes for Valencia.

His positioning is awful. He was on the field 5 minutes against West Ham and his defending cost a goal that you wouldn't see at Conference level. I would have liked to tried him on the wing but he is a very pool fullback. Much prefer to see Evans or Fabio played lb.

Quandary

I'd love to see Moyes make a drastic change to our play

Drop our wingers, at least for the rest of te season because they are clearly impotent and offer nothing other then Valencia covering back a bit.

Kagawa, Rooney and Januzaj with RVP up front with fletch/Fellaini and ?Carrick in behind.

Let the width come from our FBs and Januzaj but focus the majority of our play through the middle.

He might as well try something different because what he has been trying is no where near working.

Bannerman7

David Moyes has never won away from home to one of the Premier League's traditional big four - Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal (P48 W0 D18 L30).

I said it here before.....United appointed a guy who NEVER as a manager was able to beat any of the above so what more proof is needed. This guy has experience but unfortunately no success to speak of as a top class manager
We have someone that is out of his depth.
The owners are smart people , that's why no one will be signed in this window and hopefully he will be sent packing in the summer.
With the share price falling by the day and the stupid signing of Fellaini no more proof is needed.
Remember this guy took over the champions and has already turned us into a team of has beens.
We all know new players are needed but what has happened on & off of the pitch has been a embarrassment.

beno619

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Because when he's played he hasn't been any better and is still worse than Evra when it comes to the fundamentals.

And as much as it can sound good to try out other options when things are bad, it can also be seen as desperate and trying things for the sake of it because you're all out of solutions.

we are desperate and let's be honest Evra doesn't give a crap, though he did okay in the FA cup vs Swansea .

beno619

Pro. F wrote: »

Your lack of ability to follow a simple conversation is the issue here.

You shouldn't confuse somebody refusing to hold your hand and walk you through a simple conversation with evasiveness.

Nice speil but you continue to ignore the simple question of weather Fletcher has improved the midfield ? Bit sad really.

beno619

Nuts102 wrote: »

His positioning is awful. He was on the field 5 minutes against West Ham and his defending cost a goal that you wouldn't see at Conference level. I would have liked to tried him on the wing but he is a very pool fullback. Much prefer to see Evans or Fabio played lb.

I wouldnt mind Fabio either, the biggest issue is ignoring the glaring LB problem.

bucketybuck

beno619 wrote: »

we are desperate and let's be honest Evra doesn't give a crap, though he did okay in the FA cup vs Swansea .

He has been awful and personal pride at least should have seen him play better than this, but...

Lets not forget that Moyes very publicly tried to replace him in the summer, courting Baines all summer and then moving for Contreau at the last minute. It not hard to imagine that Evra couldn't give a flying **** about Moyes and its hard to blame him.

If Moyes was going to publicly make clear that he wanted a player replaced then he really needed to follow through on it, its hardly a shock that the player in question has underperformed since.

Adamcp898

beno619 wrote: »

we are desperate and let's be honest Evra doesn't give a crap, though he did okay in the FA cup vs Swansea .

Desperation isn't the best thing to be outwardly expressing though.

That and we know Buttner isn't capable, whereas even whilst playing badly there's still the hope Evra can turn in a good performance because he has shown he is capable.

tallaghtmick

bucketybuck wrote: »

Not much point playing this game is there. Just because nobody can give you a signed affidavit doesn't change the fact that clearly there was contact between Chelsea and Rooney in the summer.

Unless you really think Chelsea made a bid without ever speaking to the notoriously honest agent Paul Stretford? Because you will be on your own in that one.

He claimed it was evident so all im asking is for this evidence, Stretford is a football slut I wouldnt be surprised if he was onto City Arsenal etc, but they claimed Rooney wanted Chelsea not Stretford I just wanna see this proof is that too much to ask?

TheDoc

Bannerman7 wrote: »

David Moyes has never won away from home to one of the Premier League's traditional big four - Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal (P48 W0 D18 L30).

I said it here before.....United appointed a guy who NEVER as a manager was able to beat any of the above so what more proof is needed.

Surely there is plenty of proof?

There is a PRETTY big difference between not winning away from home against the big four with Everton, and actually doing it with a top 4 side.

Also how memories shortern. We had plenty of seasons under Fergie where we didn't do well away from home, it wasn't a big deal however because we rarely lost to teams below us in the table.

The stats guys can help me out, but there was a season in recent memory where we didnt win away from home against what was then conceived as the top 4.

Played 48 with Everton.


I think the stats might read different if Moyes has Played 48 games with Manchester United.

So far he has played what, Chelsea twice, City once, Liverpool Twice, Arsenal once. Two wins and a draw. Granted now away from home, but just out of those matches.

From SIX "big" games he has two wins, a draw, three losses. That's not horrendous considering the general form of the team, so let's have some relativity here please.

Since the arrival of Mourinho at Chelsea (Part I) take a selection of six matches against the big four, where Fergie was in charge, and I don't remember it being vastly superior if I'm honest.

Some great memories on peoplearound here, maybe they can chip in.

But that crap about Moyes record away to top teams is stupidly subjective.

I think Roberto Martinez is a REALLY good manager. Yet he only has like a less then 10% win record against the top 4. Does that mean he would be terrible too? I'm all for using stats and figures for analysis, but it has to be relative.

beno619

bucketybuck wrote: »

He has been awful and personal pride at least should have seen him play better than this, but...

Lets not forget that Moyes very publicly tried to replace him in the summer, courting Baines all summer and then moving for Contreau at the last minute. It not hard to imagine that Evra couldn't give a flying **** about Moyes and its hard to blame him.

If Moyes was going to publicly make clear that he wanted a player replaced then he really needed to follow through on it, its hardly a shock that the player in question has underperformed since.

I agree with this 100% its another issue created by the manager that he has not been able to address with existing players or by bringing in new ones.

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Desperation isn't the best thing to be outwardly expressing though.

That and we know Buttner isn't capable, whereas even whilst playing badly there's still the hope Evra can turn in a good performance because he has shown he is capable.

Outwardly expressing ? Manchester United are a mess right now we are in desperate need of so many things.
Persisting with a player who clearly does not care anymore is mind boggling. Another example of awful management.

With Cleverley out of the side Evra is now the biggest liability in the starting 11 and needs to be replaced be it Fabio,Buttner,Evans or a new signing.

Winston Payne

tallaghtmick wrote: »

He claimed it was evident so all im asking is for this evidence, Stretford is a football slut I wouldnt be surprised if he was onto City Arsenal etc, but they claimed Rooney wanted Chelsea not Stretford I just wanna see this proof is that too much to ask?

There were regular stories, in The Mirror in particular, in early August intimating that Rooney wanted to leave for Chelsea. He'd be on more money, they needed a striker, it was a no-brainer. City bought other strikers and Arsenal couldn't compete with City or Chelsea on wages, but there were some rumours in June that Arsenal was a possible destination. It is well known that agents will brief contacts in the press, so that they can run a story on a move or potential move. The constant drip of stories, all about a move to one club in particular and with strong motivations for a move to that club lead me to believe that Rooney wanted to leave.

TheDoc

Also call me a spa if you wish, but I'm all fully in favour of Buttner being given a chance. I think alot of people latched onto that story that broke about him where a "United scout" said how he was ranked low on his list, and was suprised Ferguson signed him ( this was all told to be bollox by the club).

I remember Rafael when he first came. Positionally pathetic, brash, immature and looked like he was terrible. However I THEN remember in a Champions league match, him putting Ribery in his pocket for large portions, until he was unfortunately sent off, and I thought to myself " wow, he is turning into a brilliant right back" and ~I think we had the culmunation of that last season and somewhat before. (OK sillyness yesterday aside, he has turned into a really good right back)

When I look at Buttner I see some similarities. young, brash at times, positionally unsound, but nothing that Rafael wasn't. but Buttner has some of the qualities that Rafael had early on in abundance.

Stamina, drive, passion, wicked foot, nifty feet. I've seen Buttner whip in some outragous crosses, and at times when hes running forward he looks like a winger.

Don't kid yourself, you can teach a player how to defend. Especially a left/right back. And once that player has pace,acceleration and a bit of heart, you can teach them positioning and defending.

I like him, he shows some true grit, like alot of our left backs down the years all the way back to Irwin. Hearty ****ers who could play a little ball.

Granted maybe I'm being a dope and it's THAT obvious he is terrible, maybe it's blatantly obvious in training he is sub par, but I just can't stop seeing stuff that reminds me of a green Rafael, and makes me wonder if we persist will we get blessed with a devastating left back.

Julez

Winston Payne wrote: »

There were regular stories, in The Mirror in particular, in early August intimating that Rooney wanted to leave for Chelsea. He'd be on more money, they needed a striker, it was a no-brainer. City bought other strikers and Arsenal couldn't compete with City or Chelsea on wages, but there were some rumours in June that Arsenal was a possible destination. It is well known that agents will brief contacts in the press, so that they can run a story on a move or potential move. The constant drip of stories, all about a move to one club in particular and with strong motivations for a move to that club lead me to believe that Rooney wanted to leave.

Also, if Rooney didn't want to leave we'd have heard it from him, he never said a word, so as to keep his options open. No, there is no definite proof, but to think that there was no chance he would leave is just acting the mick.

Quandary

On the transfer news front, Pjanic would seem to a somewhat gettable acm in this window. He's a very very tidy player, really good in possession, excellent passer, great technique.

He has said one or two things which would indicate he is open to a move away from Roma

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/roma-midfielder-welcomes-manchester-united-interest-ahead-possible-january-bid-1433027?

gosplan

Once Moyes remakes Man U to his design, they will at a minimum be qualifying for the CL every year.

He was close to that with fcuk all spend at Everton.

The potential then is that he'll grow with Utd and do a Fergie of sorts.

The problem is patience.

He's not Fergie mark II, he's David Moyes and all the evidence points to the fact that he can at least get them comfortably into the top 4.

Judging him on a period that was always going to be his worst is idiotic.

Winston Payne

Rafael never looked as raw as Buttner. He outperformed Neville in his first season at the club. I'm not down on Buttner because of the report, I'm down on him because he's so raw and we're talking about transitioning him from the position he was bought for (where a first-teamer needs replacing, right now) to a more advanced role where the other gaps in his game will be exposed. He's a poor full back but he's no winger. He doesn't have the ability on the ball for the role. His positioning and game knowledge is awful, I can't see him coming off the line to good effect, or switching sides and inverting effectively either. He was a chump change punt and they don't always work out.

tallaghtmick

Winston Payne wrote: »

There were regular stories, in The Mirror in particular, in early August intimating that Rooney wanted to leave for Chelsea. He'd be on more money, they needed a striker, it was a no-brainer. City bought other strikers and Arsenal couldn't compete with City or Chelsea on wages, but there were some rumours in June that Arsenal was a possible destination. It is well known that agents will brief contacts in the press, so that they can run a story on a move or potential move. The constant drip of stories, all about a move to one club in particular and with strong motivations for a move to that club lead me to believe that Rooney wanted to leave.

Again all hearsay with no actual proof, you quote the mirror which is constantly slagged off on here, I believe he wanted to leave under Fergie but not Moyes, yes Chelsea where in for him but Rooney never once PUBLICLY said he wanted to go there.

bucketybuck

gosplan wrote: »

He's not Fergie mark II, he's David Moyes and all the evidence points to the fact that he can at least get them comfortably into the top 4.

Actually, all the evidence points to the fact that they are in 7th place.

Adamcp898

beno619 wrote: »

Outwardly expressing ? Manchester United are a mess right now we are in desperate need of so many things.
Persisting with a player who clearly does not care anymore is mind boggling. Another example of awful management.

With Cleverley out of the side Evra is now the biggest liability in the starting 11 and needs to be replaced be it Fabio,Buttner,Evans or a new signing.

You were the one asking why we're not playing Buttner and I'm just giving you a reason.

No matter how bad Evra is playing, Buttner is worse and you'd see a lot more sloppy Sunday league goals conceded if he was in the team. That would be awful management to play a player that you already know is piss all in the hope that he miraculously turns into a serviceable full back.

beno619

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Again all hearsay with no actual proof, you quote the mirror which is constantly slagged off on here, I believe he wanted to leave under Fergie but not Moyes, yes Chelsea where in for him but Rooney never once PUBLICLY said he wanted to go there.

Some people have very short memories, Rooney wanted to leave.

Have you forgotten the Swansea game where he didnt celebrate with his teammates ? Im happy he's been performing but its clear he wanted to move to Chelsea.

Backstreet Moyes

TheDoc wrote: »

Also call me a spa if you wish, but I'm all fully in favour of Buttner being given a chance. I think alot of people latched onto that story that broke about him where a "United scout" said how he was ranked low on his list, and was suprised Ferguson signed him ( this was all told to be bollox by the club).

I remember Rafael when he first came. Positionally pathetic, brash, immature and looked like he was terrible. However I THEN remember in a Champions league match, him putting Ribery in his pocket for large portions, until he was unfortunately sent off, and I thought to myself " wow, he is turning into a brilliant right back" and ~I think we had the culmunation of that last season and somewhat before. (OK sillyness yesterday aside, he has turned into a really good right back)

When I look at Buttner I see some similarities. young, brash at times, positionally unsound, but nothing that Rafael wasn't. but Buttner has some of the qualities that Rafael had early on in abundance.

Stamina, drive, passion, wicked foot, nifty feet. I've seen Buttner whip in some outragous crosses, and at times when hes running forward he looks like a winger.

Don't kid yourself, you can teach a player how to defend. Especially a left/right back. And once that player has pace,acceleration and a bit of heart, you can teach them positioning and defending.

I like him, he shows some true grit, like alot of our left backs down the years all the way back to Irwin. Hearty ****ers who could play a little ball.

Granted maybe I'm being a dope and it's THAT obvious he is terrible, maybe it's blatantly obvious in training he is sub par, but I just can't stop seeing stuff that reminds me of a green Rafael, and makes me wonder if we persist will we get blessed with a devastating left back.

Rafael was a highly rated young defender who showed promise. Rafael was 18 making appearances for the club and clearly talented. Buttner is what 23 or 24 he can't be compared to an 18yr old. Buttner is not a young full back with potential he doesn't have the quality or potential to be a United player.

Buttner has never showed any potential like Rafael did don't kid yourself. He has the potential to be a full back for a lower table Premiership team.

brinty

Caughtoffside.com reporting we're in advanced talks for Di Maria and Coentrao for £53m, making a record bid for Fabregas of £35m, encouraged to bid for Dani Alves and to go for some french u21 defender from Bilbao for £30m...hardly the most reliable source.. if 0.1% of the 5h1t3 the spew came true we'd have some team

TheDoc

brinty wrote: »

Caughtoffside.com reporting we're in advanced talks for Di Maria and Coentrao for £53m, making a record bid for Fabregas of £35m, encouraged to bid for Dani Alves and to go for some french u21 defender from Bilbao for £30m...hardly the most reliable source.. if 0.1% of the 5h1t3 the spew came true we'd have some team

One of the UK rags had us in for the world yesterday.

Star on Sunday then claim that United will also try and seal a £37m deal for Julian Draxler, and are also eyeing up Borussia Dortmund's Ilkay Gundogan, 23, and Marco Reus, 24, plus Atletico Madrid's Koke, 22,along with Porto's centre-half Eliaquim Mangala, 22, valued at £40m and Luke Shaw

WHAT DA HELLLLL

Blatter

Winston Payne wrote: »

There were regular stories, in The Mirror in particular, in early August intimating that Rooney wanted to leave for Chelsea. He'd be on more money, they needed a striker, it was a no-brainer. City bought other strikers and Arsenal couldn't compete with City or Chelsea on wages, but there were some rumours in June that Arsenal was a possible destination. It is well known that agents will brief contacts in the press, so that they can run a story on a move or potential move. The constant drip of stories, all about a move to one club in particular and with strong motivations for a move to that club lead me to believe that Rooney wanted to leave.

Even ignoring all of this, the fact that Moyes blatantly dodged the question of whether Rooney wanted to stay at United in the Summer told a lot, as well as Rooney himself making no effort to clarify the situation.

It was as clear as day that Rooney wanted to go to Chelsea in the Summer. So obvious.

brinty

TheDoc wrote: »

One of the UK rags had us in for the world yesterday.





WHAT DA HELLLLL

Agh sure I've said it before we're linked with at least a hundred players every window and going to spend 2.5billion and we end up buying no one and spending nothing....

Rayne Wooney

Our old friend Indykaila says Chelsea have given United permission to talk to Mata, Pjanic has said he will move to United if we match the valuation and that Coentrao should be done by the end of the window

Has the man ever gotten anything right?

Backstreet Moyes

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Our old friend Indykaila says Chelsea have given United permission to talk to Mata, Pjanic has said he will move to United if we match the valuation and that Coentrao should be done by the end of the window

Has the man ever gotten anything right?

Their isn't a hope in hell were getting Mata unless Rooney is going the other way.

brinty

G'wan Indy, sure he's as relaible as the red tops the broadsheets twitter and manutd.com
until they've signed and played their first match they are never signed

Blatter

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Our old friend Indykaila says Chelsea have given United permission to talk to Mata, Pjanic has said he will move to United if we match the valuation and that Coentrao should be done by the end of the window

Has the man ever gotten anything right?

No, he has been exposed as a serial liar. Not having a go at you personally at all but nobody (on twitter or any other forum) should be even mentioning him imo, it's just giving him exactly what he wants - publicity.

tallaghtmick

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Our old friend Indykaila says Chelsea have given United permission to talk to Mata, Pjanic has said he will move to United if we match the valuation and that Coentrao should be done by the end of the window

Has the man ever gotten anything right?

His rumours are as bad as mine a couple of posts back!

irishfeen

Sorry if it was posted already but this is doing the rounds and made me lol

Lucas Hood

I'd like to see us try a 352/532 formation out sometime , we need to make ourselves harder to beat.

Lord TSC

Reading a random site which has us linked with Conte to replace Moyes.

Sigh.

I can dream, right?

MD1990

Zaha is only on the bench for your u21's lol

MagicMarker

MD1990 wrote: »

Zaha is only on the bench for your u21's lol

I don't get it.

Vic Vinegar

MD1990 wrote: »

Zaha is only on the bench for your u21's lol

At least you've decided which mast to pin your flag on now, well done chap.

MD1990

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

At least you've decided which mast to pin your flag on now, well done chap.

that was a Man Utd fan using my account
ive always been a Liverpool fan
not my fault Man Utd wasted 15m on Zaha

Mikeyt086

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I'd like to see us try a 352/532 formation out sometime , we need to make ourselves harder to beat.

I've thought about this a lot, and honestly think it could work well. But the chances of it happening are less than 0%, as I think Moyes knows he needs a squad overhaul, so why change the entire philosophy for a squad you are not happy with?

Regardless, if you put me as caretaker manager for the rest of the season and told me I had to get 4th place, this is how I would set us up:

---

De Gea
----Smalling--Jones--Evans
--Rafael-Carrick-Fletcher-Evra

---

Kagawa

---

Rooney--Van Persie

Vidic can come into the backline obviously, Valencia can swap with Raf, Januzaj can swap with Kagawa or we could drop Rooney back and give Danny/Chich a run.

Both Rafael and Evra have slightly more attacking responsibility and slightly less defensive responsibility. Carrick and Fletch help the back 3 while trying to feed Shinji (who plays in his natural position) who tries to feed the 2 world class players up front, who might strike up a partnership, god forbid.

This is the set up Juventus use perfectly.

---

OR

We could just buy a ****ing left back and a CM.

Deise_2012

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Reading a random site which has us linked with Conte to replace Moyes.

Sigh.

I can dream, right?

Don't think winning the Serie A is much of an achievement my friend, the fact they were knocked out of europe by Galatasaray should give you nothing much to dream about

Maximus Alexander

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Don't think winning the Serie A is much of an achievement my friend, the fact they were knocked out of europe by Galatasaray should give you nothing much to dream about

Moyes' United probably will be too.

Lucas Hood

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Moyes' United probably will be too.

We play Olympiakos.

Deise_2012

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Moyes' United probably will be too.

no chance

Maximus Alexander

Lucas Hood wrote: »

We play Olympiakos.

I uhh... meant next year. Or like, in the next round or something.

Hococop

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Our old friend Indykaila says Chelsea have given United permission to talk to Mata, Pjanic has said he will move to United if we match the valuation and that Coentrao should be done by the end of the window

Has the man ever gotten anything right?

only thing with mata i noticed someone posted a photo of ed woodward talking to roman or some of the chelsea staff, weather that its related to Mata i dont know

TheMilkyPirate

People actually take that indykaila fella seriously? I followed him after someone recommended him on here one day and I think he lasted about 6 hours before I unfollowed him again.

spouts shite after shite after shite

Lord TSC

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Don't think winning the Serie A is much of an achievement my friend, the fact they were knocked out of europe by Galatasaray should give you nothing much to dream about

I'd rank it as a higher achievement than what Moyes did at Everton :pac:

Also, if Moyes could bring Fel, maybe he could bring Pogba, Marchiso and Vidal