Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

supersean1999

FutureGuy wrote: »

Lads, we're not going to sign Mata or anyone near his calibre. Did anyone learn *anything* in recent years.

Chelsea won't be selling Mata to a rival.

Arsenal sold to city and utd. Liverpool sold to Chelsea. It does happen. Rarely though.

Burt Macklin

supersean1999 wrote: »

Arsenal sold to city and utd. Liverpool sold to Chelsea. It does happen. Rarely though.

There is really no comparison between the situation at Liverpool and Arsenal to the one at Chelsea.
Chelsea have money, and are winning trophies, they aren't likely to sell one of their best players to a rival in January.

MagicMarker

Burt Macklin wrote: »

There is really no comparison between the respective situations at those three clubs. Chelsea have money, and are winning trophies, they aren't likely to sell one of their best players to a rival in January.

Of course not, sure why would there be?

Lord TSC

FutureGuy wrote: »

Chelsea won't be selling Mata to a rival.

No.

No they won't.

But we aren't rivals anymore

supersean1999

Burt Macklin wrote: »

There is really no comparison between the situation at Liverpool and Arsenal to the one at Chelsea.
Chelsea have money, and are winning trophies, they aren't likely to sell one of their best players to a rival in January.

Maybe Jose does not see utd as a rival.

Antibac

Chelsea have money, and are winning trophies, they aren't likely to sell one of their best players to a rival in January.[/quote]

But that's the thing Jose doesn't think he's one of their best players. He's only a bit part player to Chelsea.

kstand

4/9 on now wityh Sky Bet - 6/17 with others.
As for not selling to a rival - Chelsea will get 30something million for him - will also strengthen United for the games against Arsenal, City and Liverpool who are their only real rivals in the EPL right now. Mourinho doiesnt rate him and ssees him surplus to requirements - everyones a winner.

Liam O

Roman probably wouldn't give a **** and Mourinho would be shown as a hypocrite if he denied the player his move after his Rooney comments during the Summer. Can't play in the CL and can only help Chelsea's title bid. Can't help but be a little optimistic and look for ways that it's possible that United might actually sign Juan f-cking Mata. The dream signing. Get Coentrao and a new CM or get Fellaini fit and in form and the team will make thw CL handily.

kippy

Okay,
I have said from the start Moyes needs a few transfer windows to be judged.
Himself, the club and woodward are under presesure in this as he has had a number of months to determine what areas need addressing, has given players a chance to prove themselves and now absolutely needs to change things around in order to improve results.
There are some very obvious ins and outs required.
With ten days to go in the window things are looking bleak unfortunately.

I suspect the Mata thing is Chelsea trying to waste Uniteds time. Anything else appears to be pure speculation.

supersean1999

I think the Neville talk is bs. He Surely is trying to pour cold water on it. His brother is a coach. His mate giggs is a coach. He Def knows something

elchupanebrey

I feel it's only a Mata of time before he signs.



Hangs head at shameful use of pun. Leaves without coat.

RobertKK

Jose is playing a few games here.

Jose is thinking of the future and doing something favourable for United equals a brownie point for the future.
Jose doesn't see Moyes as a threat.
Jose wants a stronger United to help take points off Arsenal and City.

Mourinho wants to be manager of United someday, he has done everything he cans to be nice about United. After the Real Madrid game, the sad looking face after the match on Sunday and the match last August.
Jose wants the United job sometime and until he gets it he will be nice about United.

He talked about managers needing to teach their players about how to make the referee's job easier and how some manager's don't, he was having a go at Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers, while when questioned about Moyes and referees, again did the whole pro-United thing.

Mata can happen because I believe Mourinho wants it to happen and to have it to use when the United job next comes up - "Remember when your team was at an all time low and I helped out, it was I who gave the Mata the go-ahead to join which helped get United that CL place, I will do anything to make this club win, give me the job" :P

Blatter

James Ducker of the Times saying:

1) United 'closing in' on Mata

2) Real Madrid weighing up Summer bid for Rooney

3) Chelsea to attempt an audacious bid to sign Sergio Aguero from City in the Summer (good luck with that!)

RobertKK

Blatter wrote: »

James Sucker of the Times saying:

1) United 'closing in' on Mata

2) Real Madrid weighing up Summer bid for Rooney

3) Chelsea to attempt an audacious bid to sign Sergio Aguero from City in the Summer (good luck with that!)

Real Madrid makes sense.

Benzema currently in an under age sex court case and Rooney and Ronaldo were just great together.

Hococop

Blatter wrote: »

James Sucker of the Times saying:

1) United 'closing in' on Mata

2) Real Madrid weighing up Summer bid for Rooney

3) Chelsea to attempt an audacious bid to sign Sergio Aguero from City in the Summer (good luck with that!)

Feck off madrid :P we give you Ronaldo, beckham, heinze, rvn and you wont give us a lb that isnt making the starting squad

supersean1999

Blatter wrote: »

James Ducker of the Times saying:

1) United 'closing in' on Mata

2) Real Madrid weighing up Summer bid for Rooney

3) Chelsea to attempt an audacious bid to sign Sergio Aguero from City in the Summer (good luck with that!)

Hahahahahahaha at no 3

supersean1999

Hococop wrote: »

Feck off madrid :P we give you Ronaldo, beckham, heinze, rvn and you wont give us a lb that isnt making the starting squad

Modric would do nicely

mewe

RobertKK wrote: »

Jose is playing a few games here.

Jose is thinking of the future and doing something favourable for United equals a brownie point for the future.
Jose doesn't see Moyes as a threat.
Jose wants a stronger United to help take points off Arsenal and City.

Mourinho wants to be manager of United someday, he has done everything he cans to be nice about United. After the Real Madrid game, the sad looking face after the match on Sunday and the match last August.
Jose wants the United job sometime and until he gets it he will be nice about United.

He talked about managers needing to teach their players about how to make the referee's job easier and how some manager's don't, he was having a go at Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers, while when questioned about Moyes and referees, again did the whole pro-United thing.

Mata can happen because I believe Mourinho wants it to happen and to have it to use when the United job next comes up - "Remember when your team was at an all time low and I helped out, it was I who gave the Mata the go-ahead to join which helped get United that CL place, I will do anything to make this club win, give me the job" :P

Does the smiley at the end mean that you're takin the piss?

yabadabado

If Rooney doesn't sign a new contract Real is the perfect spot for him,not a direct rival.Rooney for Modric.

Alpha Dog 1

elchupanebrey wrote: »

I feel it's only a Mata of time before he signs.



Hangs head at shameful use of pun. Leaves without coat.

He's the Juan for us...

jdooley28

Mitch Connor wrote: »

they fall within regs for last three years as had been even previous two. You can make a 45million loss over a rolling three year period. 50 million losses this year mean the next two have to be break even or profit. So they will have to sell to buy over next two years, if they care about the FFP regs.

I'm confident mata will be a united player by the weekend.

I really hope you are right

kryogen

TheTownie wrote: »

Trivia Time:

Whos the last player to move from Chelsea to Man Utd?

Hint:

I haven't a fúcking clue!

Mark Hughes?

No, wait, that was the other way Could be Wilkins yeah!

wonderfullife

FutureGuy wrote: »

Lads, we're not going to sign Mata or anyone near his calibre. Did anyone learn *anything* in recent years.

Chelsea won't be selling Mata to a rival.

Sorry to be blunt but a rival for what?

Manchester United under David Moyes are not a rival to Chelsea - this season.

The best Manchester United can be to Chelsea is a pal, a friend, a mate. One of those good mates who does favours like doing the Arsenal and City over in the league.

They'll sell Mata alright. He's not part of Mourinhos plans and Mata at United is most definitely to Chelseas advantage right now. He's certainly no good to anyone sitting on his hole on the bench.

If, for some reason, Mourinho genuinely wants to keep Mata there's no harm in loaning him to United til the summer. One way or the other they need Mata at Old Trafford. That's realistically the only way of trying to take points off City and Arsenal vicariously.

Longer term United will be a rival once more - it might take 5 years given the way Moyes is ruining the club but even he can't defeat natural selection. United are too big a species not to survive and thrive long term. I'd say United could be a rival as soon as next season if they get rid of Moyes and throw some cash at it but meh.......

As for the Chelsea bidding for Aguero - it was only a matter of time before Roman entered into a d1ck swinging contest with Sheikh Mansour. He was the Lion in the Premier League jungle before Abu Dhabi brought their trillions to City. It's sometimes forgotten amidst the wealth of City, that Roman is still worth close to $15 billion himself. Pretty sure he has an ego to match; so the idea of taking Aguero for a world record fee off Mansour surely appeals to his ego.

Mata in a red shirt before the end of the week.

Whether it makes much difference is anybodys guess. In theory, it should make a monumental difference. But under Moyes who knows. There's not much point having the likes of Mata or Ozil or, hell, Messi playing through the middle if he's determined and hell bent on shifting it wide to Tony V and Ashley Y every time they get the ball.

I'm pretty sure you don't need a UEFA A Licence (or even to figure out how to play with Mata, Rooney, RVP and Adnan fit. You select 3 of the above every game, sometimes 4 of the above (at home to Micky Mouse clubs), play RVP up top, 2 of the 3 behind him and start playing football.

This obsession with "crossing" has to end. There's plenty of other ways to the goal other than the scenic route from the wing.

kstand

Anyone seen Patrick Herrmann of BMG in Germany playing? Seems our esteemed leader is going over to have a look at him Friday night.

Alpha Dog 1

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

He's the Juan for us...

If Roman sees us or any team actually bidding £40 million for what is effectively a back-up player for them, then it Juan Mata if Jose wants to sell or not.

kryogen

Headshot wrote: »

That city team is some team, play unbelievable stuff

They were still even money for the title earlier on bet365, saw it while doing a superbowl bet. Very nice price

UnitedIrishman

kstand wrote: »

Anyone seen Patrick Herrmann of BMG in Germany playing? Seems our esteemed leader is going over to have a look at him Friday night.

Funnily enough watched him in one or two games (and a few highlights of the Bundesliga) and was going to put him up here as a potential future signing a while back but thought it was a bit left of field and unlikely. Very creative winger, bit light yet but still a kid. Arsenal were supposedly interested last transfer window depending on who you believe.

Interesting to hear he's going to that game. Possibly Draxler being looked at either?

Backstreet Moyes

City are a nice price for the Champions League think they will take care of Barca easy enough.

bucketybuck

ankles wrote: »

Can I just point out the obvious point. United's problems this season have been in part underperforming players but also overly rigid and incomprehensible tactics from Moyes. There have been some fanciful posts here about how Moyes will change the formation to accommodate Mata/Kagawa/Rooney/RVP, or a variation thereof.

But this ignores the somewhat basic point that all season Moyes has played a rigid, outmoded 4-4-2 with for the most part United's rigid but defensively dependable players getting their game

Yep, said it last night.

Unless Moyes changes his tactics and formations Mata is just going to be as wasted as Kagawa is. Playing three behind the striker has been an obvious suggestion all season and we already had the attackers to try it, but Moyes to this point has steadfastly refused to give it a go, so just why is he going to change his mind now?

If we didn't have the central midfielders or full backs to support that system last week, then we still won't have them just because Mata is up front.

Moyes will probably stick Mata out wide just as he has continually done with Kagawa, then we will all wonder why a proven world class player is struggling at Manchester United.

keeponhurling

does it concern anybody that Mourinho, one if the great managers, doesn't seem to rate Mata? Seems to think doesn't work hard enough defensively.

And that their results have actually improved since he was benched.

bucketybuck

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you don't need a UEFA A Licence (or even to figure out how to play with Mata, Rooney, RVP and Adnan fit. You select 3 of the above every game, sometimes 4 of the above (at home to Micky Mouse clubs), play RVP up top, 2 of the 3 behind him and start playing football.

It shouldn't take a Uefa license to figure out how to play with Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Nani and Adnan.

But apparently the answer is to play Valencia and Young instead of them.

wonderfullife

keeponhurling wrote: »

does it concern anybody that Mourinho, one if the great managers, doesn't seem to rate Mata? Seems to think doesn't work hard enough defensively.

And that their results have actually improved since he was benched.

He said on Football Focus that:

"Mata is a fantastic player but even fantastic players can be less fantastic in certain systems".

In effect, not doubting his brilliance on the ball but doesn't believe he has the legs and/or work ethic that Oscar and Hazard have shown in abundance. Oscar is frighteningly fit. He's everywhere with and without the ball.

For United though that shouldn't be an issue right now. A massive increase in productivity on the ball can be easily offset by the work-rate of Carrick, Fletcher, Jones etc. Much needed. Plus United don't tend to press as high up the pitch as Chelsea so it's less relevant.

wonderfullife

bucketybuck wrote: »

It shouldn't take a Uefa license to figure out how to play with Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Nani and Adnan.

But apparently the answer is to play Valencia and Young instead of them.

Aye , true.

That's why i'm sceptical how much difference the Mata signing will make.

Under a different coach and different style of play he's the sort of signing that can turn a top 3 finish into a Title winning finish.

Under Moyes it may just mean turning 8th into 6th.

Devil08

1. Chelsea don't see mata as one of their best players anymore otherwise he'd be playing
2. 35 million for a player they don't need is hard to refuse from any club
3. And as said above, mourinho probably doesn't see us as a direct rival anymore. Selling mata to us will improve us but not enough to bridge the gap between the clubs or even close to it. What we need is mata and at least 2 more midfielders to get to Chelsea's standard of squad quality

It's not like arsenals situation. Sell us RVP and we win the league. Sell us mata, not a lot changes.

kryogen

keeponhurling wrote: »

does it concern anybody that Mourinho, one if the great managers, doesn't seem to rate Mata? Seems to think doesn't work hard enough defensively.

And that their results have actually improved since he was benched.

It wouldnt concern me at all that Mourinho chooses to freeze out a player no

Of course, you could use your own eyes and judge Mata on what you have seen of him yourself in his time in England, him being the two time player of the year for Chelsea before Mou arrived may make a case for him that he is decent?

Did Casillas become a **** keeper or did Mou just stamp his authority on him over a personal thing?

Mourinho does stuff, he has a plan, he has a system, the best players are not always the best fit for his systems.

Stuff about them not getting along came out before he even came to Chelsea so it may not be purely a football thing anyway

The signing of Mata benefits United hugely, not just because of his production on the field and a message that the best players will join Moyes, but it would be a huge boost to the entire club.

I still dont think it will happen, but I hope I lose my money!

kryogen

wonderfullife wrote: »

He said on Football Focus that:

"Mata is a fantastic player but even fantastic players can be less fantastic in certain systems".

In effect, not doubting his brilliance on the ball but doesn't believe he has the legs and/or work ethic that Oscar and Hazard have shown in abundance. Oscar is frighteningly fit. He's everywhere with and without the ball.

For United though that shouldn't be an issue right now. A massive increase in productivity on the ball can be easily offset by the work-rate of Carrick, Fletcher, Jones etc. Much needed. Plus United don't tend to press as high up the pitch as Chelsea so it's less relevant.

When we went in for Lucas Moura (who I would still take in a heart beat) I was campaigning for Oscar, maintained he could have an immediate impact and it saddens me every time I see him do it for Chelsea. Super player

master-t

Mitch Connor wrote: »

they fall within regs for last three years as had been even previous two. You can make a 45million loss over a rolling three year period. 50 million losses this year mean the next two have to be break even or profit. So they will have to sell to buy over next two years, if they care about the FFP regs.

I'm confident mata will be a united player by the weekend.

Mitch you feeling OK? The Same Mitch who said you're confident United / Moyes / Woodward WONT sign anyone this window as they can't get anything done? Or do you just wait for Miguel Delaney to say something before you make a comment? :P (I joke)


But in all seriousness, I really hope you're confidence is backed as I love Mata.


I still feel signing Mata is NOT the answer. Moyes can't find a place for Rooney and Kagawa, so here's hoping he has a formation change in mind to accomodate our best 11.

master-t

Mark Ogden (SAF Infamous News Breaker) reporting just now that we are closing in also.

EDIT: Only cathcing up on other reports regarding Dante and Cabaye for this window also. Would cream everywhere.

Rayne Wooney

Current mood:

kryogen

Its kinda like a domino effect though, once a story gets headlines a lot of journalists just bandwagon it.

I would urge restraint until something concrete comes out

wonderfullife

kryogen wrote: »

When we went in for Lucas Moura (who I would still take in a heart beat) I was campaigning for Oscar, maintained he could have an immediate impact and it saddens me every time I see him do it for Chelsea. Super player

For his age, It's not even funny how good Oscar is. He's brilliant on the ball and a terrier off it. I've honestly never seen someone in his position run as hard as he does.

That's proper Cross-Country style endurance fitness he's got and that's not easily attained. You can't coach someone to reach that level of fitness. All footballers are very fit but the likes of YaYa Toure, Oscar, Seamus Coleman to name a few off the top of my head are freaks with their running ability.

Mata isn't lazy but i think he simply doesn't have the lung capacity and endurance fitness of an Oscar or Hazard.

Still, should be simple to let Phil Jones and Darren Fletcher run their nuts off to allow Mata, Rooney and RVP to have United 3-0 up with 20 mins to go!!

Hococop

Hypothetically if we were to get mata and we managed to take points off city and arsenal and Chelsea win the league. The media and fans would be calling him the Einstein of football ha

Lord TSC

I want Mata to sign if only to see the reactions in the Chelsea topic :pac:

martinr5232

kryogen wrote: »

Its kinda like a domino effect though, once a story gets headlines a lot of journalists just bandwagon it.

I would urge restraint until something concrete comes out

Stop talking sense will ya

Kerrydude1981

master-t wrote: »

Mark Ogden (SAF Infamous News Breaker) reporting just now that we are closing in also.

EDIT: Only cathcing up on other reports regarding Dante and Cabaye for this window also. Would cream everywhere.

He is also saying that Atletico Madrid are trying to hijack the deal by offering Utd Costa and Luis while they get Mata

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10588548/Manchester-United-close-in-on-Juan-Mata-as-Atletico-Madrid-tempt-Moyes-with-Filipe-Luis-and-Diego-Costa.html

wonderfullife

Hococop wrote: »

Hypothetically if we were to get mata and we managed to take points off city and arsenal and Chelsea win the league. The media and fans would be calling him the Einstein of football ha

yup and the above is precisely why he'll sell Mata to United.

Mourinho has the ego the size of Mozambique.

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He knows full well:

a) he doesn't want or need Mata
b) Mata at United could help claim points off their rivals

and

c) how much of a fking GENIUS he'll look when Mata slides RVP in on goal to beat Arsenal.

All that matters ultimately to Mourinho is c)

Actually come to think of it he's in a no lose situation.

If Mata goes to United and flops, then he's proven right getting rid.
If Mata goes to Untied and stars, and helps take points off City/Arsenal, then it was all part of his plan.

Win-Win-Win.

Honestly he's a cert to sign...

IF they make a bloody bid! Proper bid none of this £25m with add-ons nonsense. Slap £37m on the table done no messing.

Rayne Wooney

It won't happen but I'd be in a permanent state of laughter if we signed Mata and finished ahead of Chelsea

The look on Mourinho's face would be priceless

Headshot

Haven't been this excited since RVP and even more so now

I'm just waiting for the big fall thou

wonderfullife

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It won't happen but I'd be in a permanent state of laughter if we signed Mata and finished ahead of Chelsea

The look on Mourinho's face would be priceless

Right now i'd be more concerned with finishing ahead of Newcastle under Moyes....

It's kinda sad but Newcastle may be the ones refusing to sell Cabaye to a direct rival this season!!!

Devil08

Juve want nani according to the mirror. Could help with us getting one of their players, ie pogba or Vidal