Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14

Gatling

Please don't turn into another Thiago Alcântara is he ,will he ,he's coming


Ohhhhh No he's not

37million a bit too steep give them nani and young and a few quid

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

Juve want nani according to the mirror. Could help with us getting one of their players, ie pogba or Vidal

I don't mean to piss on your parade, but why in the name of Jesus would Vidal join United?

Winston Payne

Herrmann would be an excellent signing. Valencia would go straight out of the team off the back of it most likely too.

I think if the price is reasonable (ten million euro or so) Dante wouldn't be a bad stopgap at centre half, on a three-year deal for example. If Vidic and Ferdinand both leave in the summer as it looks like we'll need one in. Dubious about the prospect of Bayern letting him go.

CSF wrote: »

I don't mean to piss on your parade, but why in the name of Jesus would Vidal join United?

Because he likes the rain. And a challenge.


In all seriousness, you're right though. Mata is unlikely, Vidal is fantasy stuff.

Devil08

Gatling wrote: »

Please don't turn into another Thiago Alcântara is he ,will he ,he's coming


Ohhhhh No he's not

37million a bit too steep give them nani and young and a few quid

Yea cos Chelsea will take our scraps!

Devil08

CSF wrote: »

I don't mean to piss on your parade, but why in the name of Jesus would Vidal join United?

Why not? Just because juve are doing better than Utd at moment? Utd bigger club than juve with all respect to them

CSF

Winston Payne wrote: »

Herrmann would be an excellent signing. Valencia would go straight out of the team off the back of it most likely too.

I think if the price is reasonable (ten million euro or so) Dante wouldn't be a bad stopgap at centre half, on a three-year deal for example. If Vidic and Ferdinand both leave in the summer as it looks like we'll need one in. Dubious about the prospect of Bayern letting him go.




Because he likes the rain. And a challenge.


In all seriousness, you're right though. Mata is unlikely, Vidal is fantasy stuff.

Is Dante not in the same boat though? Being a starter at the best team around at the moment. Or is there something about his situation I'm not aware of?

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

Why not? Just because juve are doing better than Utd at moment? Utd bigger club than juve with all respect to them

Because he is the best centre mid in the world who if he declared an interest in leaving could do much better than United.

Gatling

Devil08 wrote: »

Yea cos Chelsea will take our scraps!

Torres and Ba

Our scraps couldn't be that bad

wonderfullife

If ever there was a time to pay slightly over the odds for a player it's right now.

This isn't a Liverpool-esque Andy Carroll/Stewart Downing fiasco wasting £50m on over-priced, over-rated English talent.

This is a proven world class performer. Given he signed for Chelsea for £23.5m and has been Player of the Year for them twice, and still a world class act, i think £37m is only about £5m too steep.

Right now with the sh1t United are in a £5m premium is cheap. Slap the cash down.

Devil08

CSF wrote: »

Because he is the best centre mid in the world who if he declared an interest in leaving could do much better than United.

Far from best cm in the world! Yaya toure, Iniesta, Xavi, just 3 who are better. Schweinsteiger another..despite Utds form this season they can still attract the best players out there, don't worry about that

Rayne Wooney

CSF wrote: »

Because he is the best centre mid in the world who if he declared an interest in leaving could do much better than United.

Bayern won't buy him, Barcelona won't buy him, Real Madrid apparently have Gundogan targeted so won't buy him.

Who else is there much better than United?

I agree he might not want to come, but Juve have a price and if we pay it he'll have to.

Hank Scorpio

wonderfullife wrote: »

If ever there was a time to pay slightly over the odds for a player it's right now.

And he's only 25.

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

Yaya toure, Iniesta, Xavi, just 3 who are better.

No

Devil08 wrote: »

despite Utds form this season they can still attract the best players out there, don't worry about that

No

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Bayern won't buy him, Barcelona won't buy him, Real Madrid apparently have Gundogan targeted so won't buy him.

Who else is there much better than United?

Man City, Chelsea. Paris Saint Germain. All much more attractive options for players right now.

Headshot

City don't need him and psg are in a very crap league and a lot less attractive than us even with our difficulties

Hank Scorpio

If we got Mata and a couple CM and a LB we'd be competitive again, that's alot of if's though

Devil08

CSF wrote: »

Man City, Chelsea. Paris Saint Germain. All much more attractive options for players right now.

Clubs who don't want him or need him. Great

yabadabado

CSF wrote: »

I don't mean to piss on your parade, but why in the name of Jesus would Vidal join United?

Cant see him joining in January.Its unlikely but I wouldn't rule out him joining in the summer,United will offer a wage increase,more exposure and United still are a huge draw.
Unless a Barca,Bayern or Real come in for him United is a very good move if he decides to leave Juve.
Tempt Juve with a proper bid ,no bollixing about like with Fabregas bid's and it could happen.Juve are under a lot of financial pressure with new stadium/training complex and Italian football isn't at the level it was in the past.

Bridge93

Gatling wrote: »

Please don't turn into another Thiago Alcântara is he ,will he ,he's coming


Ohhhhh No he's not

37million a bit too steep give them nani and young and a few quid

Are you joking? I would hope you are.

Jaysus lads we need to take a step back! A deal for Mata to join us in January is highly unlikely!

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

Clubs who don't want him or need him. Great

You have no idea of this. This is just a random assumption.

Bridge93

Devil08 wrote: »

Clubs who don't want him or need him. Great

He could always just stay at Juventus and play in the champions league.

Devil08

CSF wrote: »

You have no idea of this. This is just a random assumption.

And what do you have to say otherwise?? Utd only club linked with him. How you can say Utd aren't an attractive club for top players is laughable

CSF

yabadabado wrote: »

Cant see him joining in January.Its unlikely but I wouldn't rule out him joining in the summer,United will offer a wage increase,more exposure and United still are a huge draw.
Unless a Barca,Bayern or Real come in for him United is a very good move if he decides to leave Juve.
Tempt Juve with a proper bid ,no bollixing about like with Fabregas bid's and it could happen.Juve are under a lot of financial pressure with new stadium/training complex and Italian football isn't at the level it was in the past.

Chances are that if someone of his quality isn't signed in that position in this window, United won't have Champions League football, and can immediately say goodbye to signing anyone of his quality. Not that I think United would have a hope of getting him. Under Ferguson, I'd still be sceptical but take out the draw of working under Ferguson and it doesn't even appear reasonable discussion.

Whatsisname

I'm in full transfer muppet mode, I need a cold shower to calm myself and this ain't helping..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/21/chelsea-manchester-united-juan-mata

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Because he is the best centre mid in the world who if he declared an interest in leaving could do much better than United.

Falcao could have done much better than Monaco, Aguero could have done much better than City at the time, Özil could have done much better than an underachieving Arsenal in the Summer.

Stranger things have happened for whatever reasons...

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

And what do you have to say otherwise?? Utd only club linked with him. How you can say Utd aren't an attractive club for top players is laughable

United are an underperforming team with a very questionable manager, a squad full of players who mostly don't match the ability of the players you'd be talking about signing, Manchester being a bit of a dump doesn't help unless you're City and can pay players ridiculous sums of money to join. Then add in that United are very unlikely to have Champions League football next year and the attractiveness of previous years has declined significantly.

wonderfullife

nuxxx wrote: »

If we got Mata and a couple CM and a LB we'd be competitive again, that's alot of if's though

i know LB is a trouble spot but please for the love of god if Moyes has to go raiding Everton again for a full back will he at least pick the Irish one.

Coleman is genuinely one big move away from becoming a World Class player, he's seriously good.

I'm a bit meh on Baines in general , maybe it's his hair-style, maybe it's his age, maybe it's the fact he can't defend very well.....

Either way if i was boss of United i'd go Coleman and Shaw, and you could probably get the both of them for under £35 million, which is probably not a lot more than the crazy money Everton rate Baines at.

Hell, i'd nearly go for their back up left back in Brian Oviedo, he's a serious player too and probably a quarter the price of Baines.

No Baines.

shadowcomplex

Is Mata a better Player than Ozil?

CSF

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Falcao could have done much better than Monaco, Aguero could have done much better than City at the time, Özil could have done much better than an underachieving Arsenal in the Summer.

Stranger things have happened for whatever reasons...

Falcao and Aguero were paid insane amounts of money to go there. Every player (with only a small number of exceptions) has his price to join any club. Ozil gets to live in London (if rumours are true he'll ****ing love that), he had guaranteed Champions League football, and was leaving a team where he wasn't wanted.

Mata is possible because he isn't wanted. Vidal would be ridiculous.

shadowcomplex

wonderfullife wrote: »

i know LB is a trouble spot but please for the love of god if Moyes has to go raiding Everton again for a full back will he at least pick the Irish one.

Coleman is genuinely one big move away from becoming a World Class player, he's seriously good.

I'm a bit meh on Baines in general , maybe it's his hair-style, maybe it's his age, maybe it's the fact he can't defend very well.....

Either way if i was boss of United i'd go Coleman and Shaw, and you could probably get the both of them for under £35 million, which is probably not a lot more than the crazy money Everton rate Baines at.

Hell, i'd nearly go for their back up left back in Brian Oviedo, he's a serious player too and probably a quarter the price of Baines.

No Baines.

Id take the porto left back from any left back out there

kryogen

Devil08 wrote: »

Far from best cm in the world! Yaya toure, Iniesta, Xavi, just 3 who are better. Schweinsteiger another..despite Utds form this season they can still attract the best players out there, don't worry about that

Was getting annoyed, then saw Xavi's name, realised your joking!

Good one man

yabadabado

CSF wrote: »

Chances are that if someone of his quality isn't signed in that position in this window, United won't have Champions League football, and can immediately say goodbye to signing anyone of his quality. Not that I think United would have a hope of getting him. Under Ferguson, I'd still be sceptical but take out the draw of working under Ferguson and it doesn't even appear reasonable discussion.

As I said its unlikely but United seem to have the cash ,if rumors are true, and he might be tempted.
CL football has to be got this season for that very reason ,it will be much harder to sign top quality without it.
I know its not all about money but if United lodged a proper bid and offered double wages I'm sure it would be considered.

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Falcao and Aguero were paid insane amounts of money to go there. Every player (with only a small number of exceptions) has his price to join any club. Ozil gets to live in London (if rumours are true he'll ****ing love that), he had guaranteed Champions League football, and was leaving a team where he wasn't wanted.

Mata is possible because he isn't wanted. Vidal would be ridiculous.

Who's to say he wouldn't be offered insane amounts of money?
I don't see it happening myself for many reasons but I wouldn't just dismiss him because he's too good for United which you seem to be doing.

CSF

yabadabado wrote: »

As I said its unlikely but United seem to have the cash ,if rumors are true, and he might be tempted.
CL football has to be got this season for that very reason ,it will be much harder to sign top quality without it.
I know its not all about money but if United lodged a proper bid and offered double wages I'm sure it would be considered.

Honestly, do you not think that if United could get Vidal they would and probably would have already instead of getting stuck with Fellaini?

shadowcomplex

Vidal is 3 types of midfielders rolled into one he would be an amazing signing for united, he scores goals like lampard, tackles like a keane type and passes like xabi alonso. If we got him we would be so back

Hank Scorpio

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Is Mata a better Player than Ozil?

Judging from what I've seen of Ozil this season and Mata the previous couple of seasons this I would say definitely.

Devil08

kryogen wrote: »

Was getting annoyed, then saw Xavi's name, realised your joking!

Good one man

Don't know why people give Xavi stick, still one of the best cms around IMO. Getting on a bit now but guaranteed he will be starting for Spain in wc this year and will have another medal around his neck by the end of it

CSF

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Who's to say he wouldn't be offered insane amounts of money?
I don't see it happening myself for many reasons but I wouldn't just dismiss him because he's too good for United which you seem to be doing.

Because he is too good for United. He is the best player in his position around. United aren't an attractive enough proposition at present to sign that player.

United can't offer City levels of insane amounts of money. I don't think that is to be disputed, is it?

wonderfullife

kryogen wrote: »

Was getting annoyed, then saw Xavi's name, realised your joking!

Good one man

to be fair to the fella, YaYa Toure in this seasons form is not far off the best in the world. It's an arguable case at least, more so if he destroys Xavi and Iniesta soon enough (if fit).

He'd be in my top 5 certainly in that position.

Gatling

Bridge93 wrote: »

Are you joking? I would hope you are.

Of course I'm joking





I Just don't do smileys or stupidlycons

Backstreet Moyes

Mata would be a fairly useful bargaining chip for Chelsea if they want Diego Costa.

CSF

Devil08 wrote: »

Don't know why people give Xavi stick, still one of the best cms around IMO. Getting on a bit now but guaranteed he will be starting for Spain in wc this year and will have another medal around his neck by the end of it

Xavi - one of the best cms around
Vidal - the best cm around.

CSF

wonderfullife wrote: »

to be fair to the fella, YaYa Toure in this seasons form is not far off the best in the world. It's an arguable case at least, more so if he destroys Xavi and Iniesta soon enough (if fit).

He'd be in my top 5 certainly in that position.

Yaya is definitely top 5. No question. Vidal is top 1 though.

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Because he is too good for United. He is the best player in his position around. United aren't an attractive enough proposition at present to sign that player.

United can't offer City levels of insane amounts of money. I don't think that is to be disputed, is it?

Always though Rooney was on similar money to the higher paid players at City.

Bridge93

nuxxx wrote: »

Judging from what I've seen of Ozil this season and Mata the previous couple of seasons this I would say definitely.

You're judging one on the past and one on his first season in a new league. How about you judge them both on this year? Mata being a benchwarmer and Ozil the top player in the team top of the league. Hadn't set the world on fire but has been very good.
Or judge them both on the past when Ozil was one of the top assistants anywhere in Europe over a number of years.
Ozil is a better played than Mata.

Blatter

CSF wrote: »

United can't offer City levels of insane amounts of money. I don't think that is to be disputed, is it?

Rooney and van Persie are two of the highest paid players in the league.

According to the latest estimates, United's wage bill is very close to City's.

CSF

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Always though Rooney was on similar money to the higher paid players at City.

My understanding is Yaya is on about 220-30k per week. Rooney and Van Persie are a good 40-50 down on that as far as I know

yabadabado

CSF wrote: »

Honestly, do you not think that if United could get Vidal they would and probably would have already instead of getting stuck with Fellaini?

CSF wrote: »

Because he is too good for United. He is the best player in his position around. United aren't an attractive enough proposition at present to sign that player.

United can't offer City levels of insane amounts of money. I don't think that is to be disputed, is it?

I think everyone knows United ****ed up in the summer and Fellaini was a panic buy ,if Moyes wants to keep his job he is going to have to spend serious money this summer and recruit 2 or 3 top players.Vidal imo is the best CM around atm and I there is no harm trying to sign the best.Offer Juve 50m and offer Vidal same wage as Rooney and see how it pans out.

kryogen

Devil08 wrote: »

Don't know why people give Xavi stick, still one of the best cms around IMO. Getting on a bit now but guaranteed he will be starting for Spain in wc this year and will have another medal around his neck by the end of it

Nowhere near the best in the world or better then Vidal which is your claim, you were serious then? You also think Iniesta is a centre midfielder? For serious?