4 cylinder Ferguson 35 glow plugs?

ntgar

Hello,

Just wondering has anyone gotten a cylinder head for a ferguson 35 four cylinder diesel drilled for glow plugs to help it starting.

NuckingFacker

ntgar wrote: »

Hello,

Just wondering has anyone gotten a cylinder head for a ferguson 35 four cylinder diesel drilled for glow plugs to help it starting.

As long as there is piston clearance, you avoid oil galleries and waterways there's no real reason why you couldnt do it. Would drilling the air intake and fiting a larger glow plug into that near the head not be a lot easier?

custom900

Was on to an engineering firm only last week about this, going to get it done soon. They come recommended and have done this very job many times, Comiskey Engineering in Portadown ( http://www.comiskeyengineeringworks.com ). Had a good chat with a lad called Ian. They will assess the condition of valves, etc when doing the job, and will advise accordingly. Another supposedly good starting aid is slightly widening the inlet to the swirl chambers, good article on it here; http://vintagetractorengineer.com/2010/04/fe35-tractor-standard-23c-enlarging-entrance-to-pre-combustion-chamber/

ntgar

custom900 wrote: »

Was on to an engineering firm only last week about this, going to get it done soon. They come recommended and have done this very job many times, Comiskey Engineering in Portadown ( http://www.comiskeyengineeringworks.com ). Had a good chat with a lad called Ian. They will assess the condition of valves, etc when doing the job, and will advise accordingly. Another supposedly good starting aid is slightly widening the inlet to the swirl chambers, good article on it here; http://vintagetractorengineer.com/2010/04/fe35-tractor-standard-23c-enlarging-entrance-to-pre-combustion-chamber/

Thanks very much for the replies, yeah I have heard widing the inlet makes a big difference, ill have to contact comiskeys and what they say. be a great engine with glow plugs

custom900

Yup, apparently they were standard on machines shipped to colder climates, and they were fitted to the Standard car which had no starting problems. Pull-started my Goldie a couple of days ago, she fired up within 10 yards. Lovely smooth motor in them. Looking forward to starting her off the key:D

discodaveirl

Would you not consider a newer type geared starter... Would be much cheaper and simplier.... Aparently the problem with most 4 cyls is that a 3 cyl doesnt require the same amount of speed from the starter to start.... Therefore over the years with maintenance and up keep 3 cyl starters made there way on 4 cyl engines..

I have seen heater plugs in a 4 cyl 35 before..... Lad told me it was a land rover head..... Im not sure if its true but Sean101 would be the best to confirm...

custom900

Have a starter off a ford 4000 on her, but I'm guessing the pump bearings are worn and that's thrown the timing a little. They're very sensitive to that. I'm going to do it in stages. Recon the pump is my first job.
Afaik a landrover head won't fit the 23c engine, but some folks use landie glowplugs cos they're cheaper.

ntgar

Never heard of the starter solving the problem but thanks I'll have to look into it, I'll be rebuilding the engine hopefully soon enough so I'll have the head off so might as well treat it to a little work when off.

MrFoxman360

For any machining of engine parts I always go to High Performance Motor Products (Howards) in Tullow Co. Carlow. They have done a good few old car and tractor engine repairs and even work on an old 1950s stationary engine for me.

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My uncle got his 35 4 cylinder drilled for glow plugs years back, made a big difference to starting but I remember him saying that it had to be drilled very close to a water gallery.

I often start old diesels with a butane blow lamp pointing in through a bung in the air intake. The butane flame is much hotter than the traditional diesel flame of the standard manifold heater, so even the most stubborn of engines normally cough into life!

Mplant

Compression wasn't high enough on the 4 cylinder so the proper cure for the hard starting is to skim the block .problem cured.

Milton09

I have 2 of these tractors in which I drilled the head for plugs, great job, will start nearly as easy as a modern engine now.

I also have one with a geared starter, but no plugs, also a very good job, starts much easier than with std starter.

On the peril of your life do not widen the opening in the combustion chambers or skim down the block to increase compression, these solutions do not work and Remember - once the metal is removed theres no putting it back !!