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Turning a mule into a race horse.
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Pacing Mule wrote: »So I was getting ready tonight for tomorrow's race. Asked Mrs Mule did I carry off the boards.ie top without looking like a whale. She took a photo to show that I didn't look like a whale. Threw it beside the "before" pic I mentioned and yeah there's a bit of a difference !! Enough to post a before and after shot I think. Bit more work to do of course but this is a nice half time shot.....
Actually don't care what time I do
tomorrow anymore.
Fantastic PM that is some difference, you should be very proud, great achievement.
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SamforMayo wrote: »Half time shot? You will be like twiggy if you keep going! You look fit and healthy to me, fair play to you.
Lol
It's a very flattering photo. And the boards top does tend to make you look skinnier.
I have at least another stone to get off maybe one and a half. But yeah half time is a bit of an exaggeration. Heading into the 4th quarter more appropriate. 0 -
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You gotta lose the goatee though man! ;-)
Well done PM. Keep up the good work and good luck tomorrow...I mean ahem. .later
Ha that goatee went on as a bet 10 years ago and has stuck ever since. Threatened to shave it off before but the family seem very attached to it.
Tell you what. If I get home under 4 hrs in DCM this year I will shave it off afterwards !0 -
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Pacing Mule wrote: »41:11
6 min PB so not too disappointed at all
Full report later !
Great stuff delighted for you. We'll be having that shaving ceremony in McGrattans yet :pac:;)0 -
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Great morning for a race. Woke up tired and not in the mood for a race if I am honest which is unlike me. Possibly the side effects of the recent niggles and lack of running this week.
Packed everyone up and parked the car close to the 2.5 mile mark where the family could wait for me there before walking back down the road behind them to the finish line. Met Yaboya before the start and had a good chat with him. Nerves settled and was ready to race. Regular readers here will know all about the bulls. Old bull fecked off and left the young bull to it today. Plan was therefore to head off with the sub 40's and try hang on as long as possible.
We had been waiting on the pacers to show up before trying to join the crowd at the start line. When the 40 min balloons arrived just before the start they took a position a lot further up the field than I expected and it was too late to squeeze up towards them. No worries ! - I decided that I would gradually catch up to them over the course of the first mile or two which would leave me with a little time banked or even maintain the time gap between us. I reckon I crossed the start mat about 30 seconds behind them.
First mile was a little congested. Not too bad though. I focused on the pacers balloons down the road in front of me and made sure I wasn't losing road on them. Thing was though that I was working hard yet they were pulling away slightly. Had a glance at the watch - pace was fast - too fast to be honest. I figured that they were banking a bit of time on the slight downhill start but I was already worried. I was going to struggle to hang on in first place. Banking a lot of time in mile 1 was not a good idea for me. Slowed it down a bit, let them gain a bit of ground but still went through in
Mile 1: 7:35 :eek:
Oh sh!t I said to myself. Time to leave the pacers to it and run my own race. Second mile was a bit of a drag into the wind up Terenure Road West. Kept eye on pacers who I expected to slow down a bit but tried running to my own pace.
Mile 2: 7:58
Passed the family midway through mile 3 and although it was starting to get hard to keep up the pace a look at the video shot of me running past there looked comfortable enough. Turned down the downhill section of Templeogue Road and knew the wheels were starting to come off a bit when I didn't see any pace injection on the downhill.
Mile 3: 8:10 / 
So I hit the 4th mile still on track. I had always been confident that I could make it to 3 miles @ 8 mile pace and then it was a question of hanging on as best as I could. Tried to hang on from here but it was getting difficult now and only got worse when we turned back into the all be it slight uphill at Terenure Road West.
Mile 4: 8:27
At that stage I knew I was only 15 or so seconds off sub 40 pace and all I had to do was dig in and knock out another 8 min mile with a sprint finish. Took my spade out went digging and snapped the handle.
Just wasn't there ! I was ready for the pain, I just couldn't get the legs to go any faster. In fact I slowed down quite a bit. Even at the finish line I found it hard to muster up any sort of sprint finish. Video footage of the finish shows me not looking too comfortable at all lol. Met Murph_D and Yaboya after the finish and was delighted to hear they both got their own PBs.
Mile 5: 8:48
Total Chip Time: 41:11
Other unofficial PBs along the way ...
1k 4:28
1 mile 7:31
2 mile 15:29
5k 24:30
In Conclusion:
I have to be happy with that. A 6 min+ PB is super. I knew that strategy was going to make for a hard and uncomfortable finish so no complaints there. Realistically going into the race I felt I was in 42/42.5 min shape, could do that the hard way with a chance of better or the easy way (pacing consistent all the way) As it turned out the time I got was faster than I could have done it easy so I'm happy with that choice but next time would like to be in 40 min shape in first place! Could I have dug in a bit better if pacing had of been better in the first mile ? I really don't know but I am not going to blame pacers for my race. I had emptied the tank and a slightly softer first mile would only have meant the tank emptied a little later. Many thanks to digger2d2 and the folks over at Sportsworld for a great race with a great atmosphere. I will be back next year for sure.0 -
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Well done today PM.
Smashing stuff running such a huge PB off such a suicidal first mile.
Will catch up with you again soon.Yep, very well done. From your splits I don't think the fast first mile affected you too much - a little maybe, but you were still more or less on track well into mile four. A bit more mileage and you'll be able to sustain the faster finish, I reckon. Good report and well done on a great PB.
I could agree with both of you
Bottom line was I didn't have the fitness in me to take out the sub 40 this time round but I'm very happy with the progress and the big PB here.Well done PM. Delighted for you and look forward to reading of the sub 40 on the next attempt!SamforMayo wrote: »Well done, sub 40 is there for you. Its very hard to get the pacing right I find.
Yes for sure ! I know it's there for me soon. 0 -
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Bit more than planned tonight but all good.
Turned up to a club run tonight but was left with the choice of either 5/6 miles with lads running 8 min miles - not a smart option for me - or one of the slightly slower lads (my kind of slow ) who was looking to do 8 miles. I agreed to run with him with option to bail out for a 6 mile finish. Turned out I was more than comfortable and ended up knocking out 8 miles@ 10:10 average pace. Felt a bit of a doddle versus the 8 min race pace on Sunday.
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4 mile fun run tonight. Avg pace 10:00 but contained 2 slower easy miles and 1 leg loosener at 8:30 pace just for a bit of fun along the way.
I know these paces are a bit away from most here but for me personally the fact they are being knocked out literally for fun is an indication of the progress being made. A mile at 8:30 would have near killed me a few months ago !
I've another three weeks or so where I can mess around like this before knuckling down to a marathon plan and concentrating on endurance rather than pace improvement (although pace improvement will still happen as a by product)0 -
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Fair points lads and I take them in the spirit they are intended.
It's something I want to do for myself. I don't particularly care about other peoples perceptions of what a marathon is or is not. (The water cooler crew do not come into my thought process at all ! )
First time round the guy in the before picture was running. Second time round it's the guy in the after pic who has significantly less chance of injury not carrying 17 stone around. I do agree that long term marathon development is better served with another year or two short distance running but I am happy to take the scenic route to a 3:30 marathon and indeed faster shorter distance times. For the moment I would simply like to complete a marathon properly trained by running the entire way comfortably rather than being half prepared, injured etc and hobbling around.
Now I know that the phrase properly trained will no doubt prompt cries of properly trained is taking two more years etc but what I mean is trained to the level of being able to run it comfortably and not trained to a 3:00 or below pace.
Last thing I want is another log derailed by debates about me doing marathons unprepared etc so I would respectfully request that nobody take offence by that and to respect the decision I am making. 0 -
You're both forgetting one thing. We need him to complete the marathon in order to lose the David Brent goatee!!
That being said, the two lads have a very valid point. Compare your progress over the past 6 months to your lack of progress and injury issues during the 6 months of marathon training.
I am already regretting saying that lol.
What I did say was sub 4 hours and I would. I might just have to take a leaf out of your book and go for a 4:00:01 if I am in any danger of finishing too early 0 -
Pacing Mule wrote: »
Last thing I want is another log derailed by debates about me doing marathons unprepared etc so I would respectfully request that nobody take offence by that and to respect the decision I am making.
No point in me saying any more as you seem to have your mind made up.
But one point on the above. A training log on a public forum is an invitation for constructive feedback as it is an invitation for praise. All of our logs are full of suggestions from other people and full of mistakes which were pointed out by others, which we have learned from. Important to remember that.0 -
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Chivito550 wrote: »No point in me saying any more as you seem to have your mind made up.
But one point on the above. A training log on a public forum is an invitation for constructive feedback as it is an invitation for praise. All of our logs are full of suggestions from other people and full of mistakes which were pointed out by others, which we have learned from. Important to remember that.
Understood and appreciated. It's just that as you well know there have been occasions before where things went a bit beyond that. This log so far has seen advice and feedback the way it should be given and taken IMO I don't want it turning into a multi page battle royal again so was nipping it in the bud There was no intention to be dismissive of the general advice and thoughts given. 0 -
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Chivito550 wrote: »Hasn't got anything to do with time IMO. What I mean is people who only do the marathon because they think it is impressive and they know that they will get a rake of praise from people who have no knowledge of running (a.k.a. your average person in the office). Not saying this is the case with PM, but many people run marathons in order to gain praise off others. This can't be denied.
No it can't.
What's your opinion on 26.2 bumper stickers ? 0 -
5 easy miles today @ 9:52 avg pace. Last mile was closer to 9:00 due to combined effects of downhill finish and getting pissed on which skewered it slightly. For the moment 10 min miles are comfortably easy and the first 4 were just above that.
Decided that I would leave this a little short considering that I already done 8 miles on Wednesday which was effectively an LSR and I don't want to step up too much too soon. Also have a session planned for Tuesday so it made sense to leave today as a handy 5 miles.
Loved the mile running in the rain btw. Was very refreshing and was unconsciously increasing the pace as I was enjoying the run.0 -
Pacing Mule wrote: »5 easy miles today @ 9:52 avg pace. Last mile was closer to 9:00 due to combined effects of downhill finish and getting pissed on which skewered it slightly. For the moment 10 min miles are comfortably easy and the first 4 were just above that.
Decided that I would leave this a little short considering that I already done 8 miles on Wednesday which was effectively an LSR and I don't want to step up too much too soon. Also have a session planned for Tuesday so it made sense to leave today as a handy 5 miles.
Loved the mile running in the rain btw. Was very refreshing and was unconsciously increasing the pace as I was enjoying the run.
Which plan will you be following for DCM?0 -
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Maybe one of the coaches at the club could come up with a plan for you that works nicely around the club sessions?
How important are sessions really for marathon training? Yes it's great at the moment to work on speed, but in a few months time, is it not just all about getting the miles in your legs and building the endurance with maybe a tempo run each week to compliment that rather than doing hill sprints etc? Maybe I'm wrong...
Is there not too much of a chance of injury building mileage week after week PLUS doing sessions?0 -
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How important are sessions really for marathon training especially for a first marathon really though? Yes it's great at the moment to work on speed, but in a few months time, is it not just all about getting the miles in your legs and building the endurance with maybe a tempo run each week to compliment that rather than doing hill sprints etc? Maybe I'm wrong...
Is there not too much of a chance of injury building mileage week after week PLUS doing sessions?
I agree to a certain point. But even this years novice plan here has an occasional hill session and strides etc early on.
Ultimately endurance is key for marathon so these sessions would have to take back seat later in plan as mileage increases.0 -
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Yep there are a few faster paced bits in the plan alright but they wouldn't be anything like an eyeballs out club session. They're fairly tame really.
You have a month or so to pick a plan so plenty of time to get advice. No harm to talk to them in the club too as Murph says and get advice from the pros.
ps- I amended my last post to say your 2nd marathon! Sorry:o
Ha it may as well be my first tbh. 0 -
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Pacing Mule wrote: »Ninja entry in tonight's Dunboyne 5 miler for a second swing at it.
39:37 - over the moon.
Report later / tomorrow.
Having a well deserved beer first.
Good stuff!0 -
Pacing Mule wrote: »Ninja entry in tonight's Dunboyne 5 miler for a second swing at it.
39:37 - over the moon.
Report later / tomorrow.
Having a well deserved beer first.
BOOM!
Great stuff. Enjoy the beer :-)0 -
Pacing Mule wrote: »Ninja entry in tonight's Dunboyne 5 miler for a second swing at it.
39:37 - over the moon.
Report later / tomorrow.
Having a well deserved beer first.
Haha... deadly. He appeared from nowhere , ran 39:37, then slipped back into the night !
Well done!0 -
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