The surely we can't lose 4 in a row match thread.AKA Manchester Utd. vs Swansea.

Lovely Bloke

that's really bad

shadowcomplex

fletcher .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................cleverley

Liam O

Shinji trying to nurse the ball into the net

Mr.Crinklewood

shadowcomplex wrote: »

fletcher .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................cleverley

Probably ****s all over him....

Red Crow

No Tom Cleverley itself brings dynamism to this midfield.

Hank Scorpio

For all the good play from united this second half Valencia hasn't been involved at all besides the tap in, speaks volumes imo. Give Nani a run when hes fit, him and Adnan would be my first choice wingers if available.

Also Cleverley isn't fit to lace Fletcher's boots

MagicMarker

Buttner better not have a brain fart.

MagicIRL

One liability for... another?

Alpha Dog 1

Kagawa really should be scoring those.

PhlegmyMoses

You can see Kagawa's class even with that missed chance. A bit of confidence and he'll be great.

user2011

Adnan you sexy beast

Soldie

Good time to swap out Valencia for Zaha... come on, Moyes.

Panthro

"Will I put some Buttner on your Adnan bread?" said Moyes.
I'm awful funny

Mars Bar

Vidic you beast

IvySlayer

Panthro wrote: »

"Will I put some Buttner on your Adnan bread?" said Moyes.
I'm awful funny

Moyes confused Buttner with Young earlier, in his defence there's always Buttner on a roll..

OK...that was bad I admit

Mars Bar

Chicha gives Swansea something different to think about now. Welbeck has been quiet the last 10 minutes or so.

SlickRic

well done Utd on the better intensity this half. also Januzaj's second half performance turned it.

Swansea are fúcking diabolical in the final 3rd though.

PhlegmyMoses

Welbeck had been great for us the last few games. Might not score every chance he gets but he'll get some goals and is a willing runner which causes lots of problems in itself

Pudsy33

I'm delighted we're winning, but I had a 5er on Kagawa to score :mad:

RasTa

Fletcher my mom

Your Airbag

Moyes said "pass that inside there" and not wide :eek:

Panthro

RasTa wrote: »

Fletcher my mom

That sounds like a case for Jeremy Kyle!

Rayne Wooney

Your Airbag wrote: »

Moyes said "pass that inside there" and not wide :eek:

Who is this man and what has he done with the real David Moyes

edgecutter

Would you believe Kagawa in the middle made a massive difference and helped win the game. Beggars belief.

Danger781

I think Moyes learned something today.

Chagan

A win, three points and a clean sheet. How refreshing.

Nalz

Great second half! Delighted.

Well played Fletch, Adnan and even Evra second half

kryogen wrote: »

Thats what I meant sorry if unclear, Start a Swansea thread, Ill debate it there with you

I thought you didn't care that much

Look dude, thinking more about it, it will go nowhere as an argument. It will turn into a google war. Link vs Link, stat vs stat. I did a 2 min google and found pro's and cons against him, one from Swansea coaches admitting it took him a while to settle into the team. Found others off Swansea fan sites saying the criticisms of him was unfair and he'll get better as the season goes on.

IMO he hasn't had a great season, very average.

Danger781

Chagan wrote: »

A win, three points and a clean sheet. How refreshing.

Still 7th place though! Hopefully Liverpool lose tomorrow, but can't see that happening..

titan18

Kagawa in centre, we win. Excellent.

Hopefully Moyes will take the hint and leave him there

beno619

Danger781 wrote: »

I think Moyes learned something today.

Wait till the Chelsea game he didn't learn anything after leverkuzen.

keeponhurling

Adnan man of the match, seems fair enough. Shinji was good but only second half.

Darren Fletcher's return is a real bright spot. He was excellent today.

Hope he keeps his place now ahead of Cleverly

PhlegmyMoses

Swansea will come mid table because they're strong enough defensively. But they've very little in the final 3rd. It was the same in the cup, they only really came into with the sending off.

They need to be more adventurous and be willing to cede some possession to push the issue at times.

Anyway, one win from the fabled 40 point mark and safety

Pro. F

Trilla wrote: »

He must be 5f 4 and 7 stone though

Unless you want him to play as a centre back or in goal, that isn't important.
...

Decent result. Nothing to get excited about, but Moyes really needed that.

Cantona's Collars

Complete Jekyle & Hyde performance,the first half was par for the course of what we've seen from the team this season but the 2nd half was like the United we expect to see,tempo,movement and incisiveness.Chelsea next week will be a different kettle of fish though,we'll need a 90 minute performance there.

Danger781

titan18 wrote: »

Kagawa in centre, we win. Excellent.

Hopefully Moyes will take the hint and leave him there

How would you line up the team? Realistically I can't see a formation where all 3 of Rooney, Kagawa, and Januzaj play.

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Welbeck

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Kagawa - Rooney - Januzaj

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Carrick - Fletcher

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Evra - Vidic - Evans - Rafael

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DDG

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^This is the only way I see it working and that means Kagawa is shoved out left again.. Unless you sit all three directly behind RVP / Welbeck

Pro. F

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Swansea will come mid table because they're strong enough defensively. But they've very little in the final 3rd. It was the same in the cup, they only really came into with the sending off.

They need to be more adventurous and be willing to cede some possession to push the issue at times.

Anyway, one won from the fabled 40 point mark and safety

I don't think their problem is holding onto the ball too much, it's that Laudrop has them sitting too deep and playing too cautiously. He really has taken them backwards since he took over, despite the fact that that their squad is stronger now than in Rodgers' time.

keeponhurling

Danger781 wrote: »

How would you line up the team? Realistically I can't see a formation where all 3 of Rooney, Kagawa, and Januzaj play.

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Welbeck

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Kagawa - Rooney - Januzaj

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Carrick - Fletcher

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Evra - Vidic - Evans - Rafael

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DDG

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^This is the only way I see it working and that means Kagawa is shoved out left again.. Unless you sit all three directly behind RVP / Welbeck

Could work with Rooney as main striker, Adnan on left, Kagawa centre. RVP injured.

Though probably Rooney and Kagawa are too similar, just Rooney is better.

titan18

Danger781 wrote: »

How would you line up the team? Realistically I can't see a formation where all 3 of Rooney, Kagawa, and Januzaj play.

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Welbeck

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Kagawa - Rooney - Januzaj

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Carrick - Fletcher

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Evra - Vidic - Evans - Rafael

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DDG

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^This is the only way I see it working and that means Kagawa is shoved out left again.. Unless you sit all three directly behind RVP / Welbeck

No reason Rooney, Januzaj and Kagawa can't play like the 3 behind the forward like Arsenal. Van Persie is also versatile enough that you can move him back there and Rooney further forward. They don't need to be moved out wide at United, Rooney will track back anyway, and as long as Kagawa and Januzaj keep tabs on the other FB, it'd be grand.

Maximus Alexander

If only I were a betting man.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Comfortable 2 goal victory for United today.

bryangiggsy

Can we all agree that the only position Kagawa can play is in the hole... Far more effective there lost everywere else

Nalz

Pro. F wrote: »

Unless you want him to play as a centre back or in goal, that isn't important.

Very true, just a bit of tongue and cheek / smart ass comment by me... I've seen him play live he looks even smaller than on tv

PhlegmyMoses

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't think their problem is holding onto the ball too much, it's that Laudrop has them sitting too deep and playing too cautiously. He really has taken them backwards since he took over, despite the fact that that their squad is stronger now than in Rodgers' time.

This is kind of what I mean. If taking more risks with your passing causes you to cede more possession, so be it. The risk\reward ratio is worth it when you can pass a ball like they can.

Agreed on Laudrup. Far too cautious. They are missing Michu, who can change a game for them.

keeponhurling

titan18 wrote: »

as long as Kagawa and Januzaj keep tabs on the other FB, it'd be grand.

Not sure about this

kryogen

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't think their problem is holding onto the ball too much, it's that Laudrop has them sitting too deep and playing too cautiously. He really has taken them backwards since he took over, despite the fact that that their squad is stronger now than in Rodgers' time.

They dont support the front man enough at all, plus Michu being out is obviously a big blow, De Guzman today I thought was missed.

yabadabado

Delighted with the second half performance and Kagawa showed what he can do when played in his natural position. Huge addition having Fletch in CM instead of Claverley.Disappointed that Zaha didn't get some ttime as replacement for Valencia who again produced very little bar the tap in.

kryogen

Annoyed Zaha didnt get on alright, his pace would surely have been an asset for counter attacks in a game we were pretty comfortable in, hope Evra is ok for the Chelsea game.

On a side note, isnt it amazing how much a midfielder who turns toward the opposition goal and passes forward makes?

beno619

Can we consider the Cleverley argument closed ?

adox

kryogen wrote: »

Annoyed Zaha didnt get on alright, his pace would surely have been an asset for counter attacks in a game we were pretty comfortable in, hope Evra is ok for the Chelsea game.

On a side note, isnt it amazing how much a midfielder who turns toward the opposition goal and passes forward makes?

True to an extent but people are going overboard on Cleverley and Fletcher in both directions.


Let's not forget that totally inept first half when Fletcher was also on the pitch.

beno619

adox wrote: »

True to an extent but people are going overboard on Cleverley and Fletcher in both directions.


Let's not forget that totally inept first half when Fletcher was also on the pitch.

I would put that on Moyes messing up Kagawa by starting him on the left.

keane2097

Fletcher was pretty crap in the first half as well.

Kagawa going central an Fletcher starting to play well isn't a coincidence.