Terribly confused

YbFocus

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Is greater than 100,000 Miles on a 2006/2007 a lot of mileage on a BMW 520 D with the M 47 Engine and Auto Gearbox ?


Provided it has a decent service history.

On a diesel it's about the right mileage, anything lower would be suspect tom.
Diesels are mile eaters they don't mind them once they're kept right.
My own 04 530d is passing 167k miles today!

solarflare

the 38mpg for 520d is cycle i have been doing from home to golf course which is 2 miles and to work which is 10 miles on back roads constantly changing gear other trips are to and from shops a 7 miniute drive away i only do 8k a year so all small trips the service history for bmw 520d is vital as these cars require synthetic oil and a change of breather valve to prevent turbo issues as i said earlier i have 90k on my 520d and no trouble have friends with 06 and much higher mileage around 140k miles and no trouble

tom_tarbucket

solarflare wrote: »

the 38mpg for 520d is cycle i have been doing from home to golf course which is 2 miles and to work which is 10 miles on back roads constantly changing gear other trips are to and from shops a 7 miniute drive away i only do 8k a year so all small trips the service history for bmw 520d is vital as these cars require synthetic oil and a change of breather valve to prevent turbo issues as i said earlier i have 90k on my 520d and no trouble have friends with 06 and much higher mileage around 140k miles and no trouble

thanks, good input

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

On a diesel it's about the right mileage, anything lower would be suspect tom.
Diesels are mile eaters they don't mind them once they're kept right.
My own 04 530d is passing 167k miles today!

Thanks YB. Jaysus, thats a queer aul wack of miles.

How often should a diesel BMW be serviced in an ideal world ? every 20,000 Miles or every 15,000 miles etc ?

YbFocus

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks YB. Jaysus, thats a queer aul wack of miles.

How often should a diesel BMW be serviced in an ideal world ? every 20,000 Miles or every 15,000 miles etc ?

I know and it'll climb fast at 40-50k miles annually

They say every 10,000, I do my own every 7,000 miles. The turbo is the weakest link in the 530d and fresh oil helps it lots as well as the breather valve as the previous poster mentioned.

I buy my own oil in from the UK and 10 litres (I need 8.3 litres per service ) only costs €53 delivered.

Really cheap to run like anything else if you do your own servicing etc

When buying one of these remember to ask if the swirl flaps have been deleted from it as they cause crazy engine carnage if they get loose!

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

I know and it'll climb fast at 40-50k miles annually

They say every 10,000, I do my own every 7,000 miles. The turbo is the weakest link in the 530d and fresh oil helps it lots as well as the breather valve as the previous poster mentioned.

I buy my own oil in from the UK and 10 litres (I need 8.3 litres per service ) only costs €53 delivered.

Really cheap to run like anything else if you do your own servicing etc

When buying one of these remember to ask if the swirl flaps have been deleted from it as they cause crazy engine carnage if they get loose!

YB, can I buy a car off you ? ; )))
That's some looking after the car you do. I'd say I will find it hard to get a car that's half as well serviced as yours !!

Does the M 47 turbo also have to be well looked after ?

Or is the turbo in your 530 D a bit special.

Noted about swirl flaps.

YbFocus

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

YB, can I buy a car off you ? ; )))
That's some looking after the car you do. I'd say I will find it hard to get a car that's half as well serviced as yours !!

Does the M 47 turbo also have to be well looked after ?

Or is the turbo in your 530 D a bit special.

Noted about swirl flaps.

No no my car is standard, you'll find it in the picture thread if you go looking.

Any turbo really is suseptible to lack of care but it really seems the Bmw's need that bit more
When my mileage is getting up as high as it is it pays to change it that bit more anyway!

On the swirl flap issue, don't turn a car down over it if there still in there but I'd have them gone rather quick to be safe!

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

No no my car is standard, you'll find it in the picture thread if you go looking.

Any turbo really is suseptible to lack of care but it really seems the Bmw's need that bit more
When my mileage is getting up as high as it is it pays to change it that bit more anyway!

On the swirl flap issue, don't turn a car down over it if there still in there but I'd have them gone rather quick to be safe!

How much is it to do a swirl flap removal ?

YbFocus

Just take the inlet manifold off man and they're staring you in the face

Honestly a very simple job, never priced it myself in a garage!

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

Just take the inlet manifold off man and they're staring you in the face

Honestly a very simple job, never priced it myself in a garage!

I don't even know where that is ; )

But roughly in a garage woukd it be 50 euro or 250 euro ?

YbFocus

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I don't even know where that is ; )

But roughly in a garage woukd it be 50 euro or 250 euro ?

Yeah it'd be more the €250 kind of job. I'd reckon that wouldn't be far off. Maybe a bit less

I got my blanking plates for the job for about £30 off ebay!

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

Yeah it'd be more the €250 kind of job. I'd reckon that wouldn't be far off. Maybe a bit less

I got my blanking plates for the job for about £30 off ebay!

Thanks again

YbFocus

No problem Tom glad to help

H3llR4iser

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

My drive to and from work is 8 miles a day, in Dublin city centre traffic. Stopping and starting traffic etc, the journey even though only 4 miles takes about 25 minutes each way.

This is the key. Everything will give you HORRENDOUS mpg in such a scenario, as you spend most of the time stationary with the engine running, or accelerating away from a standstill.

I am in a very similar situation, with commutes of about 6 kilometers with exactly 7 traffic lights each way. The 159 does about 5.8-5.9 Km/L (about 16.5 mpg, if we still want to use miles), a 5er will probably pull similar figures, which may be aided by a foot quite a bit lighter than mine is

tom_tarbucket

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This is the key. Everything will give you HORRENDOUS mpg in such a scenario, as you spend most of the time stationary with the engine running, or accelerating away from a standstill.

I am in a very similar situation, with commutes of about 6 kilometers with exactly 7 traffic lights each way. The 159 does about 5.8-5.9 Km/L (about 16.5 mpg, if we still want to use miles), a 5er will probably pull similar figures, which may be aided by a foot quite a bit lighter than mine is

Thanks. 16.5 mpg is annoying alright.

Is your 159 petrol or diesel ?
Manual or automatic ?

irish bloke

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I'm regard to the 520d with this M 47 engine............I know its a 4 cylinder.

Nearly all the ones on sale in 2006 / 2007 within my budget have more than 100,000 MILES on the clock

Is this a lot of mileage on these 4 cylinder diesel engines ?

100mls is nothing for these cars. I bought a spotless 06 abt 9 months ago with 102 mls on clock for €10.500. Carbon black, full m-sport, cream leather, auto, 19" BMW spider wheels

Done the swirl flaps and turbo filter for €100 and besides service, that's it.

Have a petrol 1.8t Audi A4 with 150bhp standard that is mapped to 190bhp and the BMW would match it all day long.

irish bloke

YbFocus wrote: »

Just take the inlet manifold off man and they're staring you in the face

Honestly a very simple job, never priced it myself in a garage!

It's not that simple to get off the inlet manifold though. Ild be pretty competent under a bonnet and between awkward screws, hidden clips and skint knuckels it took me the bones of 2 hours to get the manifold on off my 520 M47.

Turbo filter is easy to get to and do the air filter as you there.

YbFocus

irish bloke wrote: »

It's not that simple to get off the inlet manifold though. Ild be pretty competent under a bonnet and between awkward screws, hidden clips and skint knuckels it took me the bones of 2 hours to get the manifold on off my 520 M47.

Turbo filter is easy to get to and do the air filter as you there.

Maybe the 57's are easier, presumed they'd be very alike to be honest.
Thought there'd be more room to work with

irish bloke

YbFocus wrote: »

Maybe the 57's are easier, presumed they'd be very alike to be honest.
Thought there'd be more room to work with

Ya, that could be the case. Once off though is v straight forward.

Suasdaguna1

I'd spend 5k on a cheaper petrol BM 5 series and the other 5k on a motorbike! You'll whizz into work.....then again I'm biased!

I'd avoid the 525d, at that € it'll have seen serious miles. Likewise google swirl flaps, they give MAF issues and feck if it's got a dpf your wallet might be drained.

I'd get a nice 523i.....a very unstressed engine. Just start it from cold to ensure the hydraulic tappets are not rattling. Besta luck

tom_tarbucket

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

I'd spend 5k on a cheaper petrol BM 5 series and the other 5k on a motorbike! You'll whizz into work.....then again I'm biased!

I'd avoid the 525d, at that € it'll have seen serious miles. Likewise google swirl flaps, they give MAF issues and feck if it's got a dpf your wallet might be drained.

I'd get a nice 523i.....a very unstressed engine. Just start it from cold to ensure the hydraulic tappets are not rattling. Besta luck

Thanks for the advice. Yeah I *think* im
Leaning towards the petrol alright. My driving style and mileage is more suited to a petrol engine.

Jesus.

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This is the key. Everything will give you HORRENDOUS mpg in such a scenario, as you spend most of the time stationary with the engine running, or accelerating away from a standstill. I am in a very similar situation, with commutes of about 6 kilometers with exactly 7 traffic lights each way. The 159 does about 5.8-5.9 Km/L (about 16.5 mpg, if we still want to use miles), a 5er will probably pull similar figures, which may be aided by a foot quite a bit lighter than mine is

You sure about that? There's guys on here who'll swear blind they get 45+ mpg City driving from their magic motors :rolleyes:

tom_tarbucket

Jesus. wrote: »

You sure about that? There's guys on here who'll swear blind they get 45+ mpg City driving from their magic motors :rolleyes:

good sneer : ~)

I was talkin to a lad last night that had a 2008 320d automatic saloon, he said that the MPG around the city for him is 25 mpg

tom_tarbucket

This car caught my eye :

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/520-D-SE/37113896134604160/advert?channel=CARS

Is it a bit on the expensive side ?
Any other thoughts on it ?

H3llR4iser

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks. 16.5 mpg is annoying alright.

Is your 159 petrol or diesel ?
Manual or automatic ?

1.9 Petrol, manual.

Jesus. wrote: »

You sure about that? There's guys on here who'll swear blind they get 45+ mpg City driving from their magic motors :rolleyes:

:P:D:P

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

good sneer : ~)

I was talkin to a lad last night that had a 2008 320d automatic saloon, he said that the MPG around the city for him is 25 mpg

It can theoretically be, I had a 1.4 Megane coupe' before and, between the smaller engine and lighter car it averaged around 21-22 mpg on the same route.

However, there can be a wild variation to what amounts to "city driving" - just the traffic lights being synchronized or not and their spacing will make for a huge difference.

My commute is a good example of an "extreme" situation: 7 traffic lights in 6 KMs, plus two stop sign junctions.
The lights were probably timed by a seven years old with a penchant for torture: you'll be guaranteed to have to stop at almost any single one of them, as they all have a much longer red time than green. I normally go and come from work at a slightly later time than most, so there's hardly anybody on the road other than me, but still the average speed reported on the trip computer is a mind-blowing 11 km/h.

From what I read, the OP is in a similar if not worse situation: imagine a route comparable to mine, but with heavy traffic...:(

tom_tarbucket

This car caught my eye :

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/520-D-SE/37113896134604160/advert?channel=CARS

Is it a bit on the expensive side ?
Any other thoughts on it ?

Suasdaguna1

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

This car caught my eye :

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/520-D-SE/37113896134604160/advert?channel=CARS

Is it a bit on the expensive side ?
Any other thoughts on it ?

If you buy a car off a dealer remember get a warranty that covers timing chain failure/turbo failure. These engines albeit misers have on the odd occasion slipped/ snapped timing chains which can be an engine out job to repair same or worse.

Just letting u know!!

YbFocus

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

If you buy a car off a dealer remember get a warranty that covers timing chain failure/turbo failure. These engines albeit misers have on the odd occasion slipped/ snapped timing chains which can be an engine out job to repair same or worse.

Just letting u know!!

I'm not 100% but a 2007 should have the m47, which doesn't have that trouble

Eric Cartman

but a 2007 shouldnt cost that kind of money.

tom_tarbucket

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but a 2007 shouldnt cost that kind of money.

What should it be roughly ?

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

I'm not 100% but a 2007 should have the m47, which doesn't have that trouble

yeah, im specifically looking at the M 47 engine YB, as these *supposedly* do not have the timing chain issue

Idbatterim

op, just after seeing this...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/damagedcars-for-sale/06-bmw-525i-m-sport/6277607

the money for that diesel seems crazy NOT because it appears overpriced compared to the comparables, i.e. the other 2007 520d, but because you can have an 06 petrol for half the price!!!

assuming the rest of the car is ok, simply get the sport bumper and headlight from a breakers here or ebay uk and you are set...

tom_tarbucket

Idbatterim wrote: »

op, just after seeing this...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/damagedcars-for-sale/06-bmw-525i-m-sport/6277607

the money for that diesel seems crazy NOT because it appears overpriced compared to the comparables, i.e. the other 2007 520d, but because you can have an 06 petrol for half the price!!!

assuming the rest of the car is ok, simply get the sport bumper and headlight from a breakers here or ebay uk and you are set...

Thanks batter, will check it out. Although I hate this line in an ad: "First to see will buy " Does my head in.
Also, he has no mention of mileage or service history at all, which is not great.

Idbatterim

I know, but as its a 525 and an m sport, its definetly worth a quick call IMO...

solarflare

the m47 engine availble up to september 07 later upgrades also fitted to e61 if you are to fit msport kit to a se model make sure to inform insurance as this will invalidate most insurance as adding msport kit would make it more attractive to steal thus a risk you did not declare insurance operates on upmost good faith when describing your car as stated earlier petrol or diesel you must have a good history of servicing if you look for faults such as swirl flaps failure and turbo issues you will find they have occured in only a minority of cases like most models or manufactures remember toyota much lauded for reliability had more than a few recalls on models last year a good verified service history is about as good as it gets buying second hand

Idbatterim

bear in mind that on a 12k car, depreciation will be the biggest cost. Also take loan interest into account if applicable... It says entire headlight needs replacing, but in my E46 facelift, you could take out the headlight, put it in the oven to remove the lens, the oven would soften the gasket, replace lens, back in oven and bobs your uncle...

tom_tarbucket

solarflare wrote: »

the m47 engine availble up to september 07 later upgrades also fitted to e61 if you are to fit msport kit to a se model make sure to inform insurance as this will invalidate most insurance as adding msport kit would make it more attractive to steal thus a risk you did not declare insurance operates on upmost good faith when describing your car as stated earlier petrol or diesel you must have a good history of servicing if you look for faults such as swirl flaps failure and turbo issues you will find they have occured in only a minority of cases like most models or manufactures remember toyota much lauded for reliability had more than a few recalls on models last year a good verified service history is about as good as it gets buying second hand

thanks for input, I dont mean to be rude but you need to use comma's and full stops

Idbatterim

here is backup to my claim that a 2006 523 can be purchased for half the price of the 2007 diesel that you linked to, I'm assuming that the petrol cost more to purchase new...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/bmw-523i-2006-beautiful-car/6183497

that particular one is a manual...

tom_tarbucket

Idbatterim wrote: »

here is backup to my claim that a 2006 523 can be purchased for half the price of the 2007 diesel that you linked to, I'm assuming that the petrol cost more to purchase new...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/bmw-523i-2006-beautiful-car/6183497

that particular one is a manual...

so you'd go for a petrol then if in my shoes

Idbatterim

well they have two big pluses, 1. far cheaper to purchase 2. There is no comparison between a 4 pot diesel and a 6 pot petrol bmw... (Even putting aside the host of issues that can effect the diesels v the petrols) Here is another nice one, typical they are all manuals...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/bmw-525i-sat-nav-xenon-head-up-display/6270973

here is a 2006 525 auto, highish mileage though and fabric interior...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/2006-bmw-525/5672862

tom_tarbucket

Idbatterim wrote: »

well they have two big pluses, 1. far cheaper to purchase 2. There is no comparison between a 4 pot diesel and a 6 pot petrol bmw... (Even putting aside the host of issues that can effect the diesels v the petrols) Here is another nice one, typical they are all manuals...

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/bmw-525i-sat-nav-xenon-head-up-display/6270973

Thanks, nice car, 950,000 miles though, some going : ) ( Obviously a typo by the seller )

As you've seen, I don't like certain things in ads : "first to see will buy" and as for your mans typo , do they not double check things before publishing etc

Also, your man has hidden the number pate, that immediately makes me suspicious - like they have something to hide.

but maybe thats just me

Mycroft H

[quotebicycle 4iser;88510468"]1.9 Petrol, manual.



:P:D:Po



It can theoretically be, I had a 1.4 Megane coupe' before and, between the smaller engine and lighter car it averaged around 21-22 mpg on the same route.

However, there can be a wild variation to what amounts to "city driving" - just the traffic lights being synchronized or not and their spacing will make for a huge difference.

My commute is a good example of an "extreme" situation: 7 traffic lights in 6 KMs, plus two stop sign junctions.
The lights were probably timed by a seven years old with a penchant for torture: you'll be guaranteed to have to stop at almost any single one of them, as they all have a much longer red time than green. I normally go and come from work at a slightly later time than most, so there's hardly anybody on the road other than me, but still the average speed reported on the trip computer is a mind-blowing 11 km/h.

From what I read, the OP is in a similar if not worse situation: imagine a route comparable to mine, but with heavy traffic...:([/quote]

Get a bicycle for that distance! 6km is nothing and you'll probably average more than the 11km/h all for free

Idbatterim

here are stats from autotrader.co.uk 523 v 525... Fairly significant difference in speed IMO...

523

Running costs
Urban mpg 21.1 mpg CO2 rating (g/km) 224 g/km
Extra Urban mpg 40.9 mpg
Average mpg 30.4 mpg
Performance
Engine power 177 bhp Engine size 2497 cc
Acceleration (0-62mph) 9.3 seconds Top speed 144 mph
Wheel drive Rear Wheel Drive

525

Running costs
Urban mpg 20.9 mpg CO2 rating (g/km) 227 g/km
Extra Urban mpg 40.4 mpg
Average mpg 30.1 mpg
Performance
Engine power 218 bhp Engine size 2497 cc
Acceleration (0-62mph) 7.9 seconds Top speed 150 mph
Wheel drive Rear Wheel Drive

tom_tarbucket

Idbatterim wrote: »

here are stats from autotrader.co.uk 523 v 525... Fairly significant difference in speed IMO...

523

Running costs
Urban mpg 21.1 mpg CO2 rating (g/km) 224 g/km
Extra Urban mpg 40.9 mpg
Average mpg 30.4 mpg
Performance
Engine power 177 bhp Engine size 2497 cc
Acceleration (0-62mph) 9.3 seconds Top speed 144 mph
Wheel drive Rear Wheel Drive

525

Running costs
Urban mpg 20.9 mpg CO2 rating (g/km) 227 g/km
Extra Urban mpg 40.4 mpg
Average mpg 30.1 mpg
Performance
Engine power 218 bhp Engine size 2497 cc
Acceleration (0-62mph) 7.9 seconds Top speed 150 mph
Wheel drive Rear Wheel Drive

as in the 0-60 speed ?

Idbatterim

yeah 1.4 seconds, given that the tax is exactly the same and fuel economy is virtually the same, the 525 is far more attractive, E1080 for something that does 0-100 in 9.3 from a premium manufacturer that claims to be the ultimate driving machine is a bit of a joke IMO, then again it depends on how important this is to you, obviously it wasnt for most of the people when buying it new, hence the incredible amount of 523 as opposed to 525's...

tom_tarbucket

Idbatterim wrote: »

yeah 1.4 seconds, given that the tax is exactly the same and fuel economy is virtually the same, the 525 is far more attractive, E1080 for something that does 0-100 in 9.3 from a premium manufacturer that claims to be the ultimate driving machine is a bit of a joke IMO, then again it depends on how important this is to you, obviously it wasnt for most of the people when buying it new, hence the incredible amount of 523 as opposed to 525's...

yeah, that's the reason I want the 525i, as you get more BHP at essentially no extra cost.

But there is feck all of them around

Cleveland Hot Pocket

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

yeah, that's the reason I want the 525i, as you get more BHP at essentially no extra cost.

But there is feck all of them around

Ah shure I'll give ya a good deal on the 535d :P

tom_tarbucket

Now here is a totally different car, I'm liked the feckin wind.

What are people's thoughts on this :

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Saab/9-5/2.0-LPT-/37113783129956120/advert?channel=CARS

YbFocus

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Now here is a totally different car, I'm liked the feckin wind.

What are people's thoughts on this :

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Saab/9-5/2.0-LPT-/37113783129956120/advert?channel=CARS

That is quite the change No idea on them, toastedPickles may though!

tom_tarbucket

YbFocus wrote: »

That is quite the change No idea on them, toastedPickles may though!

Not a definitive change now or anything. But just could be another option.

Hopefully toasted pickles will come along.