Kickass Torrents & Eircom. (MOD: No Posting torrent site links!)

naughto

AlanS181824 wrote: »

On Vodafone Fibre don't think just send you a warning after 300GB?
They don't cap just monitor it or something along those lines.
I'd love to have Fibre, stuck with Sky instead.

is there a cap with e fiber?it says unlimited but id say theres a cap in the small print.

i was with sky,i broke the contract and dident have to pay for breaking it.if fiber is in your area alan id get it

AlanS181824

pajopearl wrote: »

Yeah, there's a disclaimer on their website that says there is a FUP in place but will NEVER slow you down or cut you off for going over it. Seemingly it's just a monitor to check for suspicious activity such as hacking :rolleyes:

Or running your own server....
When I had Chorus I once ran nearly a TB over.
Considering I only have 10Mb now (Had 16Mb but it was lowered) it's hard to go over 100GB or so.

kateilou

pajopearl wrote: »

I'm not sure that ISP's are too bothered about bandwidth usage either TBH. I got Voda Fiber in September, was quiet in my first month. Then got really into my downloading. I don't have Sky or UPC or even Saorview so all my TV watching is on Netflix or torrents and my TV is constantly on. Don't download music, just TV and movies. Looked at my bill for October and I had managed to DL 847GB. It's been consistently around the 500GB-600GB a month since.

Thas alotta gigs there :eek: thought i was bad using around 30

AlanS181824

naughto wrote: »

is there a cap with e fiber?it says unlimited but id say theres a cap in the small print.

i was with sky,i broke the contract and dident have to pay for breaking it.if fiber is in your area alan id get it

There's a cap of 30GB on one of the eFibre products but the other is unlimited.
I'm in a 200Mb UPC area as well as a fibre area. When I rang up and asked about canceling I was told that as they don't do early termination charges there is no way of cancelling. So I am stuck with it until April. How did you manage to leave and avoid any fee?

StaticNoise

That's a load of BS. UPC charge you €200 termination, and they have such a free in place.
There is a €10 downgrade fee on each service that you wish to reduce (eg. step your broadband down).

james66

The saddest part is that the Irish people allowed these bastards to censor our internet without even fighting it. Once they know they can censor one website they will continue to do it.

naughto

AlanS181824 wrote: »

There's a cap of 30GB on one of the eFibre products but the other is unlimited.
I'm in a 200Mb UPC area as well as a fibre area. When I rang up and asked about canceling I was told that as they don't do early termination charges there is no way of cancelling. So I am stuck with it until April. How did you manage to leave and avoid any fee?

i just signed up with eircom and let them sort it out.
you pay a month in advanced with sky same with the tv.id ring upc or eircom and let them sort it,even if you get charged the most ican see would be 80euro to leave them.there min price contract is 40euro.

when you do leave them make sure your cancle the sky talk aswell.unless you are talking a calls package with eircom.
i just have stand alone fiber with eircom i dont have a calls package,because of this they did not cancle sky talk and i got a bill of it last week,have since cancled it

naughto

james66 wrote: »

The saddest part is that the Irish people allowed these bastards to censor our internet without even fighting it. Once they know they can censor one website they will continue to do it.

but there will allways be ways around it,just look at the interest in this thread:pac::pac:

AlanS181824

naughto wrote: »

i just signed up with eircom and let them sort it out.
you pay a month in advanced with sky same with the tv.id ring upc or eircom and let them sort it,even if you get charged the most ican see would be 80euro to leave them.there min price contract is 40euro.

when you do leave them make sure your cancle the sky talk aswell.unless you are talking a calls package with eircom.
i just have stand alone fiber with eircom i dont have a calls package,because of this they did not cancle sky talk and i got a bill of it last week,have since cancled it

Thanks for that.
When I rang up I was told to ring up again on 18 March to cancel (Actual contract ends April 18) this is due to getting billed 1 month in advance I believe.
I think I will just leave, I'll keep the TV though, will probably go with Vodafone or UPC. I'll have to find out for sure.
Thanks again.

james66

naughto wrote: »

but there will allways be ways around it,just look at the interest in this thread:pac::pac:

Its not about getting around it. Its the fact they have the power to block it thats scary. No government let alone the IRMA should have that power to decide what websites I can't view. Its a violation of human rights. http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/06/un-warns-internet-restrictions-violate-human-rights.php

Engine No.9

james66 wrote: »

Its not about getting around it. Its the fact they have the power to block it thats scary. No government let alone the IRMA should have that power to decide what websites I can't view. Its a violation of human rights. http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/06/un-warns-internet-restrictions-violate-human-rights.php

I don't agree with it but it's not the website that's blocked per sé. It's the copyrighted material which is on the website which is objectionable. If they removed all copyrighted material from the site then the ISP's would have no choice but to unblock them again.

I repeat, I don't agree with them being blocked, just had to pick you up on that point.

james66

pajopearl wrote: »

I don't agree with it but it's not the website that's blocked per sé. It's the copyrighted material which is on the website which is objectionable. If they removed all copyrighted material from the site then the ISP's would have no choice but to unblock them again.

I repeat, I don't agree with them being blocked, just had to pick you up on that point.

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Engine No.9

james66 wrote: »

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

RedXIV

james66 wrote: »

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Its a pain in the ass but on the bright side it takes months to go through the court system, takes a few hours to register a new domain and copy content across. Its a shame our government is so technologically backward, but it is laughable when they try to enforce this sort of stuff

james66

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

Yes they have no right to block access to any site even for linking to child porn, terrorism ect What happens normally is the hosting account gets suspended and the domain seized and the people who own the site get jailed.

TouchingVirus

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

No, you're wrong.

The website that hosts child pornography is hosting that content. They are the distributor of the infringing content.

The torrent sites are not hosting data, they are just a conduit. A torrent file is just a set of instructions, a recipe if you will, for obtaining content. Some of that content is illegal, other content is perfectly legal.

They wilfully block torrent sites yet there are many, many parts of the internet where I can find out how to make bombs - some of them are just smoke bombs, other instructions will help me make a fertilizer bomb. Again, these places are just hosting instructions and they're not blocked.

It is an issue between the person using the torrent to download illegally and the copyright holders. The state has no business, nor do ISPs, blocking content on the internet.

To draw the comparison between child pornography hosting and copyright infringement is beyond maddening, they are completely different issues.

briany

TouchingVirus wrote: »

It is an issue between the person using the torrent to download illegally and the copyright holders. The state has no business, nor do ISPs, blocking content on the internet.

The music/movie industry has sued a ton of private individuals over the last decade or more. It hasn't helped much. Suing a load of ordinary people is not a good PR move, it turns out, and you won't recoup your 'projected' lost earnings by trying to fleece someone who's already skint.

I don't believe that the music/movie industry is on it's last legs but we are seeing the death throes of an old way of thinking. People are always going to make content, people are always going to consume it, and the only thing that can change, is the business around it.

mikom

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

Engine No.9

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

A bit extreme but the point is solid :rolleyes: All I was sayin is I don't agree with it but I see the argument.

briany

You wouldn't shut down the road for the same reason you wouldn't shut down a torrent site. Most users of both would be normal people who abhor cp and would both shun and be hostile to producers and/or consumers of such material if they came to light. It's a self policing system.

Cali_Em

briany wrote: »

Laws don't seem to matter much if they affect an industry's bottom line.

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You don't need to express surprise about the lack of effort made. Eircom are only doing the minimum required by the court order. Being any more stringent about is it not in their interest, from a financial or public relations standpoint.

Agreed.. the lynchmob is out for eircom, but they've just obeyed the letter of the law - nothing more. As someone further up stated - if you know how to 'torrent', you'll know how to get around this

TouchingVirus

Cali_Em wrote: »

Agreed.. the lynchmob is out for eircom, but they've just obeyed the letter of the law - nothing more. As someone further up stated - if you know how to 'torrent', you'll know how to get around this

This just makes it all the more fruitless (and enraging) that they block the content

Nolanator Rugby

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

That's not the same. Sites pointing the way to find cp should be shut down, even if they don't host the actual content themselves

Mr.Torrent

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

Good example.

Keep that motorway open , so they can drive by and catch the dirty paedo!
Closing roads (sites) doesn't stop it. They should leave open what they know to actually try and track him.

Sadly the truth is more is done for illegal downloading of copyright material than child abuse. And that is a sad fact.

Cantona's Collars

Mr.Torrent wrote: »

Good example.

Keep that motorway open , so they can drive by and catch the dirty paedo!
Closing roads (sites) doesn't stop it. They should leave open what they know to actually try and track him.

Sadly the truth is more is done for illegal downloading of copyright material than child abuse. And that is a sad fact.

No money to be made from stopping online child abuse.

corsav6

zerks wrote: »

No money to be made from stopping online child abuse.

I agree, it's a sad world we live in.

briany

TouchingVirus wrote: »

This just makes it all the more fruitless (and enraging) that they block the content

It's probably a bit counter productive, even. Whenever this happens, you'll basically get two sets of people affected - those who continue to download without even breaking stride and others who knew nothing of KAT/TPB, but are now curious. By having the sites blocked, you essentially increase their profile, so what's been achieved?

You'll notice that there are no verified representatives of the Irish music industry posting on this board (or any other), attempting to reach out and explain why these blocks are a good or even practical thing. You'll get the odd sound bite in the news from the likes of double D or a high court judge, but that's about it, and that says it all, I think

naughto

why do sites like kickass or the pirate bay have to keep changing there website address if they dont store any content.
is it not the same for private torrent sites like ip torrents i dont think ive ever seen there site moved to a different address??

briany

naughto wrote: »

why do sites like kickass or the pirate bay have to keep changing there website address if they dont store any content.
is it not the same for private torrent sites like ip torrents i dont think ive ever seen there site moved to a different address??

IPtorrents don't have to change their address because they've never been blocked.

Cabaal

Since some people clearly can't understand the warning, bans for posting torrent site links have now changed to two months.

Guys, please don't post any mirror sites etc for these sites, I don't want to be handing out bans.

Mr.Torrent

Cabaal wrote: »

Since some people clearly can't understand the warning, bans for posting torrent site links have now changed to two months.

Guys, please don't post any mirror sites etc for these sites, I don't want to be handing out bans.

Illegal downloading is getting worse these days, and I think it is disgraceful.
If you download a P.Diddy song, you’re not only stealing from him, you’re also stealing from whoever he stole it from in the first place.

Spear

Joking aside, how long before religious nutjobs try the same tactic based on the obscene blasphemy laws given this precedent?

corsav6

No block on our fixed wireless, can still access the blocked site.

briany

Spear wrote: »

Joking aside, how long before religious nutjobs try the same tactic based on the obscene blasphemy laws given this precedent?

Won't happen. To paraphrase an earlier post, there's no money to be made in taking down blasphemous material. I think the wingnuts used up all their stroke in getting that ridiculous law passed in the first place.

Tony EH

The internet is going to be sh1t in about 5 or 6 years time.

Spear

briany wrote: »

Won't happen. To paraphrase an earlier post, there's no money to be made in taking down blasphemous material. I think the wingnuts used up all their stroke in getting that ridiculous law passed in the first place.

But it won't be about money in a case like that. This was Greece just a few days ago:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/17/facebook-page-mocking-greek-orthodox-monk-jail-blasphemy

wirelessdude01

zarquon wrote: »

Kickass is available on UPC. Wouldn't worry about blocks though as there are plenty of proxies floating about for both.

Blocked this evening.

briany

Spear wrote: »

But it won't be about money in a case like that. This was Greece just a few days ago:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/17/facebook-page-mocking-greek-orthodox-monk-jail-blasphemy

I'm not saying someone won't get done over a blasphemy charge, I'm saying you won't get whole sites blocked on the basis that they're 'hosting blasphemous material' because that would mean trying to censor the likes of Youtube with all it's rants and, by extension, Google, who are an employer in Ireland. Also, you have to consider the political and social climate in Greece, with I-Can't-Believe-They're-Not-Facist parties like the Golden Dawn gaining traction and stirring up sentiment in the first place.

MouldyBum

Download Opera browser and use Turbo or "Off Road" mode.

BEB

how do you access the setting withing opera
sorry prob a stupid question!

briany

Tony EH wrote: »

The internet is going to be sh1t in about 5 or 6 years time.

Just as every other year there's a tech article proclaiming the coming of Linux on the desktop, there's people proclaiming the death of the Internet as we know it even though information is more plentiful online now than it's ever been with more means of access and more people accessing it. I'm not saying that it can't be worse in the future but there seems to be a lot of defeatism and pessimism in the Internet community when a story like this comes around. ISPs have actually been censoring content for a long time before these blocks, too. Eircom could block certain newsgroups from their Usenet server back when they still had one, for example. Although Internet censorship stories are popular and given this spin like it's a relatively new evil, it's actually been going on since man made the marriage of modem and computer. Censorship is not the issue, it's public apathy towards it.

ibFoxer

Has anyone on eircom noticed a sudden decline in speed? I am on the 50mb efibre but speeds are only between 4-8 mb/s at the moment. Are eircom throttling i wonder?

briany

foxerv1 wrote: »

Has anyone on eircom noticed a sudden decline in speed? I am on the 50mb efibre but speeds are only between 4-8 mb/s at the moment. Are eircom throttling i wonder?

When you say mb, do you mean megabit or megabyte? If you mean the former then 4-8/50 isn't great, but the latter would be maxing out your connection (and then some).

ibFoxer

briany wrote: »

When you say mb, do you mean megabit or megabyte? If you mean the former then 4-8/50 isn't great, but the latter would be maxing out your connection (and then some).

Sorry, Mbps. It was registering speeds of 40some, but i only checked it tonight because youtube was slow to buffer. testing through upc yields Last Result:
Download Speed: 8189 kbps (1023.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 15511 kbps (1938.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 25 ms
Jitter: 3 ms
23 January 2014 21:53:59

Through speedtest.net

ping 25ms download 3.90 upload 13.77









and mysteriously through eircom.net

ping 53ms download 31.79 upload 10.25

Something is definitely amiss here

Tony EH

briany wrote: »

Just as every other year there's a tech article proclaiming the coming of Linux on the desktop, there's people proclaiming the death of the Internet as we know it even though information is more plentiful online now than it's ever been with more means of access and more people accessing it. I'm not saying that it can't be worse in the future but there seems to be a lot of defeatism and pessimism in the Internet community when a story like this comes around. ISPs have actually been censoring content for a long time before these blocks, too. Eircom could block certain newsgroups from their Usenet server back when they still had one, for example. Although Internet censorship stories are popular and given this spin like it's a relatively new evil, it's actually been going on since man made the marriage of modem and computer. Censorship is not the issue, it's public apathy towards it.

I said sh1t, not "death".

MouldyBum

BEB wrote: »

how do you access the setting withing opera
sorry prob a stupid question!

It's in the settings on the top left. Click on the Opera logo and at the bottom of the list is Off Road Mode.

Spear

Here's how well a block of the TPB worked in the Netherlands:

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/01/28/providers-hoeven-the-pirate-bay-niet-meer-te-blokkeren/

After 2 years, the court ordered it removed as a complete failure, and the anti-piracy group BREIN had to pay the court costs of €326,000.

StaticNoise

Fat chance of that happening here. UPC are the only provider who had the balls to stand up against this blocking in the first place.

We're totally run by companies and lobby groups, and as long as gobsheens/politicians like Sherlock are in power and the industry have them by the balls, blocks will take place and won't be reversed.

I don't necessarily agree with piracy, but I believe that the restriction of content is completely wrong.

White Heart Loon

StaticNoise wrote: »

Fat chance of that happening here.

Don't be so sure about, the judge cited European laws in his ruling, the blockade was found to hinder the Internet providers’ entrepreneurial freedoms, an argument that could easily be used here

The court based its decision on the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which both includes “freedom to conduct a business” and “right to property.” In this case the entrepreneurial freedom outweighs property rights, because the blockades are disproportionate and ineffective.

StaticNoise

Yeah, but I can't see it being raised again here by the service providers.

Eircom are hemorrhaging money and are in bed with the industry, despite the failed MusicHub project. Magnet, Imagine, and others don't have the funds or client base. BT won't be interested or allowed because of their parent's in the UK. Sky won't because they're not using their own lines, and because they love money and sell TV and content.

UPC are the only ones, but it is risky for them would act only if threatened, rather than proactively.