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€490m meant for local services diverted to Irish Water

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    #152
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    newbie2013 wrote: »
    I just lol at these threads. Here we can clearly see the government screwed us over yet again, we get a few rants then it's back to your ****e pathetic lives. I remember looking at the fighting Irish logos and having pride seeing them because I used to believe we were a great nation that took no ****. Fighting Irish my ballix lol. Should stick pink fluffy slippers and aprons on the men of this country because their no good for fighting for what's right. Bend over and take it like the fool's yous are. You know it makes sence

    Off you go then. I'm right behind you.:rolleyes:


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    #153
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Who cares what CmcC says?
    The poster I was responding to.


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    #154
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I was in America when they protested about a rise in the price of milk. Over here 50 million is spent setting up a billing system for a company that already has a billing system and nothing is done. I don't mean to be harsh but it seems to be a case that those who never had to worry about money are preaching to the rest of us telling us protesters are wasters ect.

    We're an island of ~5 million dealing with two nationwide over spending and maybe corruption scandals. Why do people think they or we as a country deserve this crap?


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    #155
    harryr711
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 222 ✭✭harryr711


    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1364941.ece
    Irish Water set up its western headquarters in an office rented from a business part-owned by a Fine Gael councillor and key ally of Enda Kenny without a public tendering process.
    But the office space "contained desks and cabling" so that's grand.


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    #156
    newbie2013
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭newbie2013


    Rocky Gorgeous Ruffian wrote: »
    Off you go then. I'm right behind you.:rolleyes:

    So your a giver then


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    #157
    No Pants
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    Why do they need a western office? The country isn't that big. Or are we going to end up like the county council, with 30 look after 26 counties.


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    #158
    steddyeddy
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    I think it's time to admit that those in the cronyism circle don't give a flying about what we need. It seems to be more what they want.


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    #159
    harryr711
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    Enda Kenny's former aide-de-camp Cmdt. Michael Treacy took early retirement last Autumn and became the Regional Communications Manager of Irish Water in the Mid West according to a report in Phoenix magazine apparently.

    EDIT: Also crops up here http://www.clare.fm/blog/afternoon/afternoon-show-tuesday-october-15th-2013


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    #160
    tayto lover
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    harryr711 wrote: »
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1364941.ece


    But the office space "contained desks and cabling" so that's grand.
    harryr711 wrote: »
    Enda Kenny's former aide-de-camp Cmdt. Michael Treacy took early retirement last Autumn and became the Regional Communications Manager of Irish Water in the Mid West according to a report in Phoenix magazine apparently.

    EDIT: Also crops up here http://www.clare.fm/blog/afternoon/afternoon-show-tuesday-october-15th-2013

    The cronyism that FG promised to end continues to actually increase.
    Are there many of them left to be paid off?


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    #161
    Daith
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I think it's time to admit that those in the cronyism circle don't give a flying about what we need. It seems to be more what they want.

    It's more what they believe they are "entitled" to.


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    #162
    Daisy78
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    No Pants wrote: »
    Why do they need a western office? The country isn't that big. Or are we going to end up like the county council, with 30 look after 26 counties.

    ??? Seriously?

    Water infrastructure over west can manage itself can it? Water infrastructure in the west has been seriously underfunded in the past. If left with no regional office it will be forgotten entirely. Also what would happen down the line if there was another crypto outbreak. ...manage this from Dublin too maybe?


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    #163
    No Pants
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    Daisy78 wrote: »
    ??? Seriously?

    Water infrastructure over west can manage itself can it? Water infrastructure in the west has been seriously underfunded in the past. If left with no regional office it will be forgotten entirely. Also what would happen down the line if there was another crypto outbreak. ...manage this from Dublin too maybe?
    Yes, seriously. The actual work is still going to be done by the local authorities. Again, why would a western office be needed?


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    #164
    emo72
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    Daisy78 wrote: »
    ??? Seriously?

    Water infrastructure over west can manage itself can it? Water infrastructure in the west has been seriously underfunded in the past. If left with no regional office it will be forgotten entirely. Also what would happen down the line if there was another crypto outbreak. ...manage this from Dublin too maybe?

    the country is tiny and our population is less than 5 million. we really should have no need for regions.


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    #165
    No Pants
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    Daisy78 wrote: »
    Water infrastructure over west can manage itself can it? Water infrastructure in the west has been seriously underfunded in the past. If left with no regional office it will be forgotten entirely. Also what would happen down the line if there was another crypto outbreak. ...manage this from Dublin too maybe?
    But if the local authorities were looking after the water supply and the water infrastructure in the west was seriously underfunded in the past, that means that this lack of investment in the west was due to the west itself. How would a regional office solve this?


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    #166
    Knob Longman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭Knob Longman


    This is a very good article, I'd recommend a read of it.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/elites-making-a-killing-at-expense-of-state-29929496.html

    He is writing about Irish Water and the expenses regarding the elites...


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    #167
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Knob Longman wrote: »
    This is a very good article, I'd recommend a read of it.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/elites-making-a-killing-at-expense-of-state-29929496.html

    He is writing about Irish Water and the expenses regarding the elites...
    Kerrigan's always worth a read on a Sunday.


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    #168
    harryr711
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 222 ✭✭harryr711


    http://irishelectionliterature.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/endawaste07.jpg?w=1024&h=235

    EDIT: Another broken promise, or can we expect a wave of sackings in both Irish Water and Fine Gael (and many others) and an election to be called shortly?


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    #169
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭emo72


    harryr711 wrote: »
    http://irishelectionliterature.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/endawaste07.jpg?w=1024&h=235

    it would be funny if it wasnt so serious.


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    #170
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Daith wrote: »
    My only issue is I'd rather see more of the money I pay, the taxpayer pays go to improving the infrastructure and directly to the infrastructure. Not a portion as a bonus pay.
    This sounds like you know the price of everything, but the value of nothing - just like the Fianna Fáil TDs who were mouthing off this week.

    Imagine there are 5 ways to do something. Each has a different level of difficulty in doing it. The easier it is, the more expensive it is. Lazy staff will end up costing the business more. Hard working and insightful staff will save the business and their consumers money. In exchange, those good staff are given a bonus of up to 10% of their salary.

    Once upon a time, I was working on the design of a project with about 500 apartments with other elements. On each story of a building, the architect put two apartments, typically for 3-5 storeys. I suggested instead, that there be 4 apartments per storey, as this meant they could share the lifts, stairs, lobbies and other elements. That knocked about €1 million off the cost of the project for no diminution of quality. Shouldn't such thought processes be promoted? Are should we go with "Ah, sure it's grand, this is what we've always done."


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    #171
    Power Gear
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    emo72 wrote: »
    it would be funny if it wasnt so serious.


    http://irishelectionliterature.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/dunlnews97a.jpg


    :pac:


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    #172
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    harryr711 wrote: »
    Enda Kenny's former aide-de-camp Cmdt. Michael Treacy took early retirement last Autumn and became the Regional Communications Manager of Irish Water in the Mid West according to a report in Phoenix magazine apparently.

    EDIT: Also crops up here http://www.clare.fm/blog/afternoon/afternoon-show-tuesday-october-15th-2013
    tayto lover wrote: »
    The cronyism that FG promised to end continues to actually increase.
    Are there many of them left to be paid off?
    I understand he was aide-de-camp to several politicians, so nothing to do with FG.
    No Pants wrote: »
    Yes, seriously. The actual work is still going to be done by the local authorities. Again, why would a western office be needed?
    As if the LAs in the west are doing their work properly.
    No Pants wrote: »
    But if the local authorities were looking after the water supply and the water infrastructure in the west was seriously underfunded in the past, that means that this lack of investment in the west was due to the west itself. How would a regional office solve this?
    By having someone local to supervise them. Or would you have managers and engineers driving up and down the country all the time?


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    #173
    harryr711
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    Victor wrote: »
    I understand he was aide-de-camp to several politicians, so nothing to do with FG.

    As if the LAs in the west are doing their work properly.
    I think he was as well, and he may well have been the best candidate for the new position.


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    #174
    Banjo String
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    So disappointed in Eamo's u turns.


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    #175
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Days 298


    Politicians lap up anything for votes. Run from the responsibility of running a country. They couldn't run a sweet shop.


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    #176
    Daisy78
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭Daisy78


    No Pants wrote: »
    But if the local authorities were looking after the water supply and the water infrastructure in the west was seriously underfunded in the past, that means that this lack of investment in the west was due to the west itself. How would a regional office solve this?

    The local authorties will be maintaining the network for the period of the service level agreement which is for a period of 12 years (or less if either party decides to back out of the agreement). So Irish Water will eventually be responsible for maintaining the infrastructure into the future. You cant maintain a local network from a head office in dublin...its just not possible. Even if you employ a local contractor to repair a burst on a watermain say....you will still need local inspectors to be involved as they have on the ground knowledge of the infrastructure. As for the issue of funding...each area will have to submit a needs assessment for future schemes to senior management in iw. Again how would the head office be aware of local issues and the various constraints in the network if they do not have at least some presence in the region? You are talking about thousands of kilometres of watermain and sewer mains. You can bet that there would be uproar over there if they were paying for water with no local iw presence in the region.


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    #177
    donegal__road
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    Days 298 wrote: »
    Politicians lap up anything for votes. Run from the responsibility of running a country. They couldn't run a sweet shop.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/poor-sales-force-13m-dail-shop-to-shut-down-29376157.html


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    #178
    Daith
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    Victor wrote: »
    This sounds like you know the price of everything, but the value of nothing - just like the Fianna Fáil TDs who were mouthing off this week.

    Imagine there are 5 ways to do something. Each has a different level of difficulty in doing it. The easier it is, the more expensive it is. Lazy staff will end up costing the business more. Hard working and insightful staff will save the business and their consumers money. In exchange, those good staff are given a bonus of up to 10% of their salary.

    Sounds like you believe that a base salary isn't good enough to get good work from people and they need more money.

    Or that you believe that lazy staff won't get a bonus? What if lazy staff are getting a bonus? Is that ok?


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    #179
    harryr711
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    Daith wrote: »
    Sounds like you believe that a base salary isn't good enough to get good work from people and they need more money.

    Or that you believe that lazy staff won't get a bonus? What if lazy staff are getting a bonus? Is that ok?
    Chances are that lazy/poor staff will get a bonus if the bonuses are based on company performance rather than individual performance targets.


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    #180
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Daith


    harryr711 wrote: »
    Chances are that lazy/poor staff will get a bonus if the bonuses are based on company performance rather than individual performance targets.

    Or like most companies a mixture of both company performance and individual performance.


    Moving on from bonuses...

    Do people think that a household should pay the water charge if their drinking water is unsuitable/dirty?


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    #181
    donegal__road
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    Knob Longman wrote: »
    This is a very good article, I'd recommend a read of it.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/elites-making-a-killing-at-expense-of-state-29929496.html

    He is writing about Irish Water and the expenses regarding the elites...

    time and time again it has been proved that people at the top of such organisations, can not be trusted with the public's money.


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