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Did they? I mean I'm not tournament-level "hardcore" but I'm probably as much of a hardcore Smash player as I've come across outside of that, and I wasn't aware. Do you mean because of some unpopular Brawl mechanics like slipping and floatier physics?
Well Brawl didn't go down well but it was more to do with Nintendo being very backwards about having their game content streamed or shown online. It resulted in copyright infringement notices and therefore Smash tournaments couldn't be streamed.CastorTroy wrote: »When it was recently reported there was a gamecube style controller in the works for Wii U, it was said to plug into a Wiimote. But then the complaints made about that wasn't the fact it need the Wiimote but rather the fact that apparently in the Smash community they want a wired controller as they're supposedly more responsive. Maybe someone from the fighters forum can be more specifc, but when I was reading was on about frame countng and all that.
Wireless controllers are more responsive and in fighting games were every frame of animation counts it can put you at a big disadvantage. Another problem is if your controller disconnects for any reason you automatically forfeit and lose the match. Then there's logistics problems at tournaments
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Yeah I was just about to say, this is just Nintendo giving people an option.
As far as I know Sony or Microsoft don't give the option to use Dualshock 3/360 controller on their new machines, let alone controllers from 2 generations ago. Would be great if we could then use a Dualshock 3 as second controller on PS4.
And that wasn't meant as a dig at Sony or MS. Just pointing out that the more controller options there are, the more money Nintendo save their customers who already have controllers from previous gens.
Now when can we use our NES controllers or hook up our Game&Watch?
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CastorTroy wrote: »Now when can we use our NES controllers or hook up our Game&Watch?
You called?
Here you go linky dink, an adapter that will let you use your NES or SNES controllers on your Wii, in Pro controller mode, and hence on your WiiU as well!
Mad but there you go!0 -
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DamoElDiablo wrote: »Sure just give them back your D-pads and analogue sticks, wouldn't want to be using their innovations like... :pac:
If Nintendo had invented them.. sure.0 -
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Concave > Convex for sticks imo.
Yeah I use the original PS1 analog pad a lot and there's something I find more comfortable about concave ones.
I didn't have an n64 or Gamecube on release, but whenever I played my friends ones, I always found my thumb slipping off more than it should have.0 -
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Yeah I use the original PS1 analog pad a lot and there's something I find more comfortable about concave ones.
I didn't have an n64 or Gamecube on release, but whenever I played my friends ones, I always found my thumb slipping off more than it should have.
Convex all the way for me, but I appreciate that some people are wrong have different tastes. :P0 -
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richymcdermott wrote: »I could say the same thing about re releasing a game thats not even a year old on a next gen game that has no games cough cough * the last of us
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richymcdermott wrote: »Oh yeah its obviously the same thing of re releasing games that are 15-20 years old games like re releasing a game that barely a year old and calling re mastered and people gladly paying 70 quid for it.
I actually think there's more justification for re-releasing a game at full price when it's still considered a relatively 'premium' title. I have no intention of buying it whatsoever having played the original, but then for people who never played it before it's not a bad deal at all for a definitely improved version of a great game - and it's ridiculous these days to pay 70 euro for any title when they're all available significantly cheaper with a bare minimum of shopping around
Frankly, I find Nintendo's method of re-releases a bit cheeky - paying full retail price for a fifteen year old game doesn't at all appeal to me, especially since other companies have released strong remakes digitally at a much more attractive initial price point (see the Team Ico ones or the MGS re-releases, or indeed many PC efforts). I'm not going to buy Last of Us PS4, but then I didn't buy Ocarina of Time 3DS either.But pay for it for all you want but forgive me for reading stupid comments on this thread from people who think their business men near their laptops and desktops.
I'd strongly disagree with the claims that a GC controller adapter is some sort of reprehensible indicator of complete creative or commercial bankruptcy or collapse - more a nice little niche product that I happily welcome. But your rebuttal argument was just as silly, which I think you admit yourself 0 -
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »I actually think there's more justification for re-releasing a game at full price when it's still considered a relatively 'premium' title. I have no intention of buying it whatsoever having played the original, but then for people who never played it before it's not a bad deal at all for a definitely improved version of a great game - especially since it's ridiculous these days to pay 70 euro for any title
Frankly, I find Nintendo's method of re-releases a bit cheeky - paying full retail price for a fifteen year old game doesn't at all appeal to me, especially since other companies have released strong remakes digitally at a much more attractive price point (see the Team Ico ones or the MGS re-releases). I'm not going to buy Last of Us PS4, but then I didn't buy Ocarina of Time 3DS either.
I'd strongly disagree with the claims that a GC controller is some sort of indicator of complete creative or commercial bankruptcy or collapse. But your rebuttal argument was just as silly, which I think you admit yourself
It was basically the point I was trying to make , I would not of bought the likes of oot , wind waker or other nintendo remakes if I had play them before . The response was suppose to be silly to tackle the other silly comment since this thread is 90% nonsense.
I could care less about the brand or the plastic box at the end of day and the games soley matter 0 -
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I disagree. While I liked The Last of Us and take no issues with its re-release, it's a lot less justified when its so recent. It's a game you can still find in stock everywhere on a console that's still in stock everywhere. If you want to play the game, it's not very hard to do. Compare this to Wind Waker where you would have to buy a Wii/Gamecube (both out of production by now) and then a second hand copy of the game. Re-releasing it makes it a lot easier for new gamers. On top of this, TLOU still hasn't aged a bit. If it was released this summer exactly as original, people would still be clamouring over it and talking about how fantastic it looks. In comparison, WW was released in SD on a 12 year old system, the re-release is a huge boost visually, they made a game this old look like like a current-gen game. Not to mention that they've added in uses for the Wii U gamepad.
What's interesting about the Last of Us is that it has largely maintained its 'premium' pricing since release, quite like the way Nintendo first party releases tend to actually. While there's plentiful stock, it's not exactly easy to get at a dirt cheap price point the way you would with most games 12 months later. Now add to that the fact that the remastered edition is running at 1080/60 compared to 720/30 (plus surely many other technical improvements) - suggesting a serious graphical upgrade, if not quite as radical as SD to HD - and that it comes bundled with all the extra content (Left Behind seemingly being one of the perilously few cases of genuinely worthwhile, meaty, story-based DLC) and it actually seems like quite an attractive package even a year after release. From a business - and even artistic - perspective, the transition between hardware generations is a great time to re-release a game, because the original buzz is still there, you can overcome the technical limitations in a clear way and there's a market there of new customers who might not have owned the original release or are desperate for something to keep their console from gathering dust.
I'm still not going to buy it TLoU Remastered since I own the PS3 version, or I won't at least until (or indeed if) it's heavily discounted :pac:
The difference with Nintendo's games is that there's a perception that pulling a beloved game out of the archive and giving it a coat of paint is a cheap way to make lots of money - and this is a perception enhanced by how others have handled the whole remake thing. Sticking with ICO and Shadow of the Colossus: there's two games that really benefited from the increased oomph of the PS3 (especially since the original SoTC ran at approximately 12FPS
), and were actually quite rare and expensive games (although the ICO reprint made that a little less expensive). Yet Sony managed to re-release them in one package at an attractive price.
Compare it to the Wind Waker and it seems even more attractive. Don't get me wrong, Nintendo's remakes do tend to have that extra layer of polish and refinement compared to most remakes (there's a lot of dodgy ones out there with little more than some ugly texture replacement), but even then I'm not convinced they justify a full-price release. In the WW's case, there's also the fact the game infamously has significant amounts of cut content due to the fact it was rushed to release. If they had of added that, then you have a different story altogether. But even with full HD visuals, a couple of GamePad additions and a few minor adjustments to the game's most grievous design errors, I doubt the re-release cost them anywhere near enough to justify paying the same price as a whole new Zelda. At a reasonably reduced price, I'm sure the temptation to double-dip would be a whole lot more appealing - especially when you see entire series being re-released on the same disc.
Worth mentioning the genuinely worthy remakes out there, though: something like Persona 4: The Golden more than justifies full price with its plethora of added content and refinements (even if I don't think I'll have to seventy hours to play through the game again!) or the Ys remakes which are so fundamentally altered as to be almost completely different games.0 -
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I've seen last of us discounted in plenty of online sales. Playasia had it on sale a while ago, sold out in a matter of a few hours though
Kind of proves the point It's still very much in demand, and barring flash sales it's still being sold for 30-40 euro in most places most of the time (compared to the rapid and definitive discounts you see with most titles - you'd actively struggle to pay 30-40 euro with a lot of games 6 months after release :pac:). I could be wrong, but don't think it's even had many significant PSN discounts, although I'm sure the PS3 version will show up on PS+ sometime after Remastered makes its appearance. 0 -
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »Kind of proves the point It's still very much in demand, and barring flash sales it's still being sold for 30-40 euro in most places most of the time (compared to the rapid and definitive discounts you see with most titles - you'd actively struggle to pay 30-40 euro with a lot of games 6 months after release :pac:). I could be wrong, but don't think it's even had many significant PSN discounts, although I'm sure the PS3 version will show up on PS+ sometime after Remastered makes its appearance.
Compare it to Beyond Two Souls which was equally hyped and seemed for all intents to be one of last years biggest games, you can pick it up for under 20 euro in most places. I paid 14 for a new copy a few weeks back and you'd struggle to find TLoU for anything close to that, even second hand.
I have the PS3 version but never got around to playing it. My brother had my copy from the day I got it till months later and with my huge backlog of titles it's one I want to set aside a few days for and just jump into it. I had planned to play through it awhile back but the announcement of the PS4 version has me thinking I'll hold off for a bit as if the upgrade is as good as a few people have informed me it is then I think it's a game which will benefit from being played in the best possible presentation0 -
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