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Hammerli AR 20 Hybrid

  • 19-01-2014 11:20pm
    #1
    suilteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭


    Hi does anyone know if the Hammerli AR 20 Hybrid (Light training system rifle) need a license, or is it only if you get it converted that you need one?


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  • #2
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,430 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Converted to what?

    It's an air rifle...it needs a licence.


  • #3
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    A picky Garda might point you to this part of the Firearms Act:
    A firearm is ... any article which would be a firearm under any of the foregoing paragraphs but for the fact that, owing to the lack of a necessary component part or parts, or to any other defect or condition, it is incapable of discharging a shot, bullet or other missile or projectile or of causing a shock or other disablement, as the case may be,

    So a gun missing a critical part is still a gun. What's involved in converting it? Is it a drop-in set of parts or is it a factory job?

    You might be better off buying a regular air rifle and something like a SCATT. I don't know what data you'd get out of the AR20 Hybrid target but the likes of SCATT & Noptel give fantastic training data and work with any firearm so you wouldn't be tied into the AR20 system.


  • #4
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Blay wrote: »
    Converted to what?

    It's an air rifle...it needs a licence.

    The AR20 Hybrid is a light gun and as shipped doesn't contain any firearm parts.

    The regular AR20 is an air rifle.


  • #5
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,430 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    IRLConor wrote: »
    The AR20 Hybrid is a light gun and as shipped doesn't contain any firearm parts.

    The regular AR20 is an air rifle.

    Yeah I just noticed that.


  • #6
    suilteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭suilteoir


    Thamks guys. The conversion is a factory job. The AR 29 hybrid was designed to allow U12s in Germany practice while allowing them convert it to an air rifle when they get old enough.


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  • #7
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    suilteoir wrote: »
    The conversion is a factory job.

    In that case you're probably fine to have it here with no license.

    Unless you're buying it for someone too young even for a training license then I'd still recommend getting a real air rifle and a SCATT/Noptel. You'd end up with a better rifle, better dry firing data/analysis and much better resale value if you needed to get rid of it.

    I'm not really convinced of the value of the AR20 Hybrid. The differences in weight & balance of a rifle needed by, say a 10 year old, a 14-16 year old and an adult are big enough that you either need a much more flexible rifle than the AR20 platform or multiple rifles.


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