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Mount Prospect house at Dollymount

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  • 20-01-2014 2:41pm
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    miss choc
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    Was walking along Mount Prospect Avenue in Clontarf/Dollymount area to side of St Anne's park the other day and passed a beautiful house built like a castle it certainly stood out from all the other houses. Tried to google but only got Clontarf castle, wonder was it just built like a castle or is there a history to it. Anyone D3 people know about it?


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    chopper6
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    miss choc wrote: »
    Was walking along Mount Prospect Avenue in Clontarf/Dollymount area to side of St Anne's park the other day and passed a beautiful house built like a castle it certainly stood out from all the other houses. Tried to google but only got Clontarf castle, wonder was it just built like a castle or is there a history to it. Anyone D3 people know about it?


    A sfar as i know it's the gate house to Mount Prospect,a lavish mansion that was destroyed in the 50's or 60's.

    There's a similar structure at the front of clontarf castle but it's a 19th century reconstruction of the original tudour structure.

    Mount Prospect would've been where Park Lawn state is now.


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    miss choc
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    Ahh so it's the real deal lucky people living in it bet it's lovely inside


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    chopper6
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    miss choc wrote: »
    Ahh so it's the real deal lucky people living in it bet it's lovely inside

    No idea if anybody's living in it...i suppose it's more of a folly than a gatehouse...i havnt laid eyes on it in years in anycase. Have a look and see does it look inhabited,i'm curious myself.


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    miss choc
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    Could be, some lovely follies round Ireland Casino and one I always used to be intrigued about when on the N4 - The wonderful barn love the old architecture of Ireland


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    Pigeon Reaper
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    It's actually quite a modern building. The original gate house was very small with only one of two small rooms. The current building is a reconstruction of the gatehouse. About 15 years ago a large extension was also added and designed to fit in with the rest of the building.


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    Wishbone Ash
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    A sfar as i know it's the gate house to Mount Prospect,a lavish mansion that was destroyed in the 50's or 60's
    Was it not the gate lodge to St Anne's, one of the big houses which was destroyed by fire, vandalised and finally demolished by the Corporation in the 1960's?


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    chopper6
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    Was it not the gate lodge to St Anne's, one of the big houses which was destroyed by fire, vandalised and finally demolished by the Corporation in the 1960's?

    Not according to my granny who lived in clontarf all her life...certainly St Annes was there but quite a bit further away...there was Kincora House(not Mt prospect as i previusly thought) and Manresa(now a retreat centre) all pretty close to each other.

    She reckons Kincora was the nicest in terms on interiors with whte marble carved fireplaces and ceiling palsterwork but it was ultimately vandalised and pulled down.


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    Piliger
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    The gatehouse to the Manresa Estate. It used to be a huge open set of grounds all the way to the front railings and every summer there was a wonderful horse show, that I used to attend every year.

    This gatehouse was extended a few years back. Back in the 1980's I actually had an opportunity to buy it but couldn't get the finances in place in time.

    Also here,


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    chopper6
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    Piliger wrote: »
    The gatehouse to the Manresa Estate. It used to be a huge open set of grounds all the way to the front railings and every summer there was a wonderful horse show, that I used to attend every year.

    ,


    Jesus...now you're taking me back...i got lost there when i was three!


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    neris
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    Was it not the gate lodge to St Anne's, one of the big houses which was destroyed by fire, vandalised and finally demolished by the Corporation in the 1960's?

    That was st annes that was destroyed by fire and the council. St.Annes was located in what is now now the park. The gate lodge to st annes is the small house just past the junction of mt prospect. All those big houses were part of the guiness estate.


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    Gloomtastic!
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    Piliger wrote: »
    The gatehouse to the Manresa Estate. It used to be a huge open set of grounds all the way to the front railings and every summer there was a wonderful horse show, that I used to attend every year.

    This gatehouse was extended a few years back. Back in the 1980's I actually had an opportunity to buy it but couldn't get the finances in place in time.

    Also here,

    You can see the house if you walk along Bull Island dunes beside St Anne's Golf Club.

    A portion of what's left of the estate was sold to a builder a couple of years ago.


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    Piliger
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    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    You can see the house if you walk along Bull Island dunes beside St Anne's Golf Club.

    A portion of what's left of the estate was sold to a builder a couple of years ago.

    It used to be such a magnificent estate.


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    Gloomtastic!
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    Piliger wrote: »
    It used to be such a magnificent estate.

    From what I can gather, all of what is now North Dublin was one big estate after another. Oh to go back 150 years.... :rolleyes:


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    spurious
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    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    From what I can gather, all of what is now North Dublin was one big estate after another. Oh to go back 150 years.... :rolleyes:

    In many cases, they have made some attempt at linking to the past in the names of housing estates. Sadly not in the case of Tuscany Downs and the like.
    AFAIK Tuscany Downs references an old TV show 'Falconcrest'. Scarlet.


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    Piliger
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    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    From what I can gather, all of what is now North Dublin was one big estate after another. Oh to go back 150 years.... :rolleyes:

    Well yes I guess :)

    When I was walking to school there .. On Vernon Avenue Hampton Court was a big field of beautiful black and white cows.Vernon Heath was the McMullen Farm, where I spent many a summer day looking in at the milk plant and in the hay barn :) Mt Prospect Lawns was a big plant nursery and of course Belgrove football fields, where I spent half my youth. Also the two opposite corners at the junction of Vernon avenue and Seafield road were also fields :)

    Jayzuz...


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    chopper6
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Well yes I guess :)

    When I was walking to school there .. On Vernon Avenue Hampton Court was a big field of beautiful black and white cows.Vernon Heath was the McMullen Farm, where I spent many a summer day looking in at the milk plant and in the hay barn :) Mt Prospect Lawns was a big plant nursery and of course Belgrove football fields, where I spent half my youth. Also the two opposite corners at the junction of Vernon avenue and Seafield road were also fields :)

    Jayzuz...

    Did you know Hardys who lived in that big house behind St Gabriells?

    What happened to that place was a disgrace too...burned down by junkies who had squatted the place.


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    Piliger
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    Did you know Hardys who lived in that big house behind St Gabriells?

    What happened to that place was a disgrace too...burned down by junkies who had squatted the place.

    No I didn't know them - I think that was even before my time ...... Used to spend some time in the Community centre ... playing volleyball and in a band at the talent competitions :) My mother was on the committee too. Played two days after U2 played on of their first gigs when they formed :) ..... oye ... must be getting old :rolleyes: A good centre though. And jumped the wall of the nunnery to borrow some apples from their orchard a few times ;)


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    whiskeyman
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    Did you know Hardys who lived in that big house behind St Gabriells?

    What happened to that place was a disgrace too...burned down by junkies who had squatted the place.


    Is that Red Court?
    Wasn't that pretty much derelict before those junkies burned it down?
    Who owned it and where was it derelict?
    And who owns it now and are there any plans for it?
    http://www.herald.ie/news/murder-accused-set-fire-to-body-after-killing-pal-27888051.html

    google helped:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnnyghia1302/sets/72157619250641462/
    http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=60435
    link above wrote:
    Heartbreaking to see whats become of Hardys fine old House,think when he passed the wife sold it for 7-8 million,their only child having tragically broken his neck when diving into a shallow pool in the States.

    Hardy owned the lands that are now surrounding that site,he sold them in the early 90s on the basis that no development would occur until after he died.He was a cute enough type who knew the value of keeping in with the neighbours.
    All that land is now under apt buildings that stretch from there all the way down to the back of the Dollymount House.

    The developer who bought that site had similar plans for the site but the residents had had enough and objected on a large enough scale against the plans which were I think rejected out of hand,2007 happened and well as you see the once manicured lawns that surrounded that great old house are now covered in weeds and the house allowed to run to ruin.

    I imagine the property is now in NAMA I really cannot see permission being granted for more apts,likely someone will buy the site and build a house on it.Hopefully soon as it really is a dreadful eyesore.



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    neris
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    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    From what I can gather, all of what is now North Dublin was one big estate after another. Oh to go back 150 years.... :rolleyes:

    Big estates and big farms up to sometime in the mid 1900s. Howth Castle & Clontarf castle had massive estates and the guiness family leased/bought lands off both in what is now Raheny, Clontarf and killester. Clare hall was either a large farm land or estate house


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    chopper6
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    Piliger wrote: »
    No I didn't know them - I think that was even before my time ...... Used to spend some time in the Community centre ... playing volleyball and in a band at the talent competitions :) My mother was on the committee too. Played two days after U2 played on of their first gigs when they formed :) ..... oye ... must be getting old :rolleyes: A good centre though. And jumped the wall of the nunnery to borrow some apples from their orchard a few times ;)

    I was in the Sea Scouts...5th port Dollymount,we used to have our Autumn Fair in that community centre..it was like a jumble sale combined with obstacle course,rope climbing,shot-putting etc for prizes.

    Our skipper was Dick Vekins,something of a legend round the area who died in the 90's.


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    stmol32
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    Hi Miss Choc,
    Is this the place you mean?

    https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Mount+Prospect+Avenue,+Clontarf&hl=en&ll=53.36804,-6.182373&spn=0.00386,0.010568&sll=53.397836,-6.271514&sspn=0.03086,0.084543&oq=mount+pros&t=m&hnear=Mt+Prospect+Ave&layer=c&cbll=53.36804,-6.182373&panoid=q_WXhwP1tUgtj3UGxZKt0A&cbp=12,95.62,,0,-6&z=17


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    miss choc
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    Yep always catches my eye when passing love to see inside :) great to find out the history was bugging me for ages.


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    Piliger
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    stmol32 wrote: »
    Hi Miss Choc,
    Is this the place you mean?

    https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Mount+Prospect+Avenue,+Clontarf&hl=en&ll=53.36804,-6.182373&spn=0.00386,0.010568&sll=53.397836,-6.271514&sspn=0.03086,0.084543&oq=mount+pros&t=m&hnear=Mt+Prospect+Ave&layer=c&cbll=53.36804,-6.182373&panoid=q_WXhwP1tUgtj3UGxZKt0A&cbp=12,95.62,,0,-6&z=17

    Wow when I had a chance to buy it, it didn't have one single leaf on it :)


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    miss choc
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    wonder how much it sold for? Family have a lovely house on their hands


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    Piliger
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    miss choc wrote: »
    wonder how much it sold for? Family have a lovely house on their hands

    At that time the price was 42k :cool: I could get 38.5k but not the rest ... :confused:


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